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Sat Feb-23-08 07:53 PM
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If Hillary is running such a bad campaign, why is it so close? |
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:54 PM
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1. With all her connections, she should be miles ahead of Obama |
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Yet, she isn't. What does that tell you about HER campaign?
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:54 PM
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They don't wanna hear that.
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:55 PM
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3. Recall that she was ahead by 20-30 Points across the country back in Janary ... She is getting... |
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Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 07:57 PM by quantass
slaughtered the longer she is in this race...so the reason it is close is only a small view...yuo have to look at the trends across the whole year....And lets not forget that prior to Ohio/TX Obama had overtaken Clinton in polls and ended up blowing her out during the day of voting....
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:55 PM
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won the last 11 races by an average of 32%.
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:56 PM
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5. Is it really close? She lost the 11 races. . . |
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. . .and don't forget given her advantage and power it was supposed to be close, she should have had this wrapped up on Feb. 5. If you look at how far she was up in the polls there is no reason for this race to look like it does now.
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:56 PM
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6. It's close because she's running such a bad campaign. |
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It wasn't close three months ago.
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:56 PM
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She had keys to the White House for 8 years. Her husband was POTUS and a member of the Democratic party.
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:56 PM
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8. When you blow a 30 point lead, and lose 11 in a row, and flatline while your opponent gains... |
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:56 PM
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9. it isn't close. She's behind by about 150 delegates. The Media pads her numbers by including |
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:56 PM
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10. Yes, good point. 10 million + actually wanted to vote for her, and did. :) |
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Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 08:12 PM by LadyVT
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:03 PM
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:57 PM
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11. She was given a 60 yard head start in a 100 yard dash |
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And assumed that she only needed to go 10 yards to win.
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:00 PM
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:57 PM
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The national poll numbers? Those don't matter. Those polls were nothing more than curiosities a year ago, now they're even less useful.
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:57 PM
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12. She needs to win over 60% just to catch up |
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:13 PM
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34. 60% of DELEGATES, not votes. |
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:57 PM
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last time I was losing 25-11 - it did not feel close.
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:58 PM
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14. Well if it really was a "bad" campaign, she would be out months ago. right? |
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:14 PM
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35. If Obama's campaign was as bad as Hillary's, he wouldn't have made it past IA. |
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Sat Feb-23-08 07:59 PM
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15. The odds in her favor were a gagillion to one |
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:04 PM
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gamblers with our democracy
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:00 PM
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17. This line only works if they both started the race at the same level |
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Everybody knows that's not true.
She stumbled, Obama surged, and that's where we're at.
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:00 PM
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18. I will put it like this. |
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When it comes to Political connections Hillary Clinton is the New England Patriots, while Barack Obama is the New York Giants. Hillary by and far should have blown Barack out of the water but like any given Sunday if you don't take your opponent seriously you can lose.
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:00 PM
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19. Because she started, by virtue of name recognition and connections, with a 30-point lead, |
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80% favorables, and has spent $140,000,000 to blow that.
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:01 PM
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20. If you think going from a 30% lead everywhere to where she is now is "good" |
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by golly, I hope she & Mark Penn keep up the good work!
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:01 PM
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21. correct. She's only 315,000 behind in the popular vote, out of about 24 million votes cast |
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Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 08:01 PM by bigtree
. . . and has effectively denied Obama the ability to achieve the necessary amount of delegates by votes alone.
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:05 PM
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27. You're including MI and FL |
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In fairly contested races that count, she's down a million votes.
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:17 PM
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36. those are actual votes cast. I know the Obama campaign doesn't respect the will of those voters |
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but it is clearly expressed and is a legitimate measure of the support Clinton has received throughout this election.
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:02 PM
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22. It is nearly impossible for her to catch up... |
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the current polls and what she must do is next to impossible to do...she has lost 11 straight in blowout fashion and she is now tied with Obama in TX....this is a common pattern over all these contests...1) She has a big lead 2) Obama takes focus on the state 3) The state polls show him closing the gap 4) Obama begins to overtake the state poll 5) Voting Day: Obama wins with a Blowout 6) Next state..
What hurts Hilary is also her smear campaign that she just cant stop doing...she needs to be more friendly, like Obama....i hear a lot of negatives by the press and even the crowd ("boo" @ the debate) directed towards her...and honestly, i cant blame them..she plays dirty a lot!
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:03 PM
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:04 PM
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26. Ummm....it's not. And she's losing ground each day. |
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But you go on believing what you need to.
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:06 PM
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28. She is losing by an average of close to 20 points in the last 11 contests. |
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I wouldn't call that close.
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:08 PM
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29. Hillary should've left Obama in the dust..... |
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He's black junior senator named Barack HUSSEIN Obama.....this shouldn't even be close. But he's also the most adept campaigners in the race and has a vision American's have been clamoring for.
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:24 PM
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39. I would prefer to give Obama credit |
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for running an outstanding campaign than to try and discredit Hillary for running a poor campaign. The things that look like miscalculations - for the most part (I'll exclude the debacle in SC) - in the Hillary campaign in hind sight are really a result of what Obama has done. The style of campaign she has run, historically speaking, would have been very successful against another business as usual campaign, but that's not what she was up against.
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:11 PM
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30. Her earlier wins were more about name recognition, and her lead held because of superdelegates. |
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Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 08:11 PM by ProSense
The last 10 contest haven't been close at all.
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:11 PM
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31. It isn't close, she can't possibly catch up in elected delegates. Your logic is flawed |
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It is only her name recognition that gave her the lead early. Now that the actual race is on her numbers constantly drop. That and Clinton cronies that jumped on early for super delegates. That is all she ever had.
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:12 PM
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32. Because she was up by as much as 30 points, has name recognition, |
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a former president for a husband, and an entire machine at her disposal. And she BLEW ALL OF THAT. To Obama's credit, he is a once in a lifetime candidate.
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:12 PM
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33. Because she was soooo far ahead. |
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:18 PM
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37. Well why wasn't she out after California or earlier then? |
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She was light years ahead. She's still campaigning as far as I can tell, Obamaunits missives not taken into consideration.
So is she really a bad, or really a good campaigner and fighting, or a shrill woman?
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:23 PM
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:25 PM
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40. I got lost once we hit Obamaunits |
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Sat Feb-23-08 08:49 PM
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Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 08:50 PM by sniffa
But at least the genuineness of the OP is gone.
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Sat Feb-23-08 09:40 PM
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43. Yea, I thought we were Obamatrons. This is getting so confusing!! LOL (nt) |
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Sat Feb-23-08 09:38 PM
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42. THe fact that it is not only close |
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but Obama is winning is clear evidence that she is running a horrible campaign.
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Sat Feb-23-08 09:49 PM
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44. She was the front runner since '04 and presumed nominee it's to Obama's credit |
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Sat Feb-23-08 09:51 PM
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45. Former President Bill Clinton |
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Is it really that difficult to figure out?
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Sun Feb-24-08 01:48 AM
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46. Are you being intentionally obtuse? |
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Clinton loses a 20 + point national lead, and now her supporters are crowing about having a remote chance of winning the nomination based on super-delegates.
It would be like the New York Yankees fans celebrating a wild card berth and 1st round exit in the playoffs.
Face it... Something is terribly wrong when a candidate of Ms. Clinton's stature is losing by 15, 20, and 30 points in states like Virginia, Wisconsin, and Maryland.
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