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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:15 PM Original message |
Did Kerry's healthcare plan in 2004 include mandates? |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. Mandates became "progressive"... |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
2. Kerry had a health plan? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. It's pretty much HIllary's, without the mandate n/t |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. What is? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:35 PM Original message |
Kerry wrote SCHIP |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:40 PM Original message |
Did you see that Teddy is not putting up with her taking credit for s-chip anymore? |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
39. I hope Teddy speaks out to counter her current attack |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
61. HRC's Health Care Plan was sabotaged by the repukes!! |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. Yes it is - but Kerry revised it in '06 and called for mandates. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. AFTER everything has been implemented |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. Well yes he does |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Well, no, it's six years |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. "If anyone is left uninsured by the 2012 deadline Kerry would require Congress to reexamine" |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. "If anyone is left uninsured" "figure out how to reach them" |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. So does she |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. IF, he leaves room open for no mandates at all |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. That is bull shit. You need to read her plan. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Listen. I know what a mandate is and I know what the word "IF" means |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. It's #1 on his list |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
67. It's not 2 different approaches |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Yes, he said that he wanted everyone to have the same program |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Maybe but HRC said it first. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. no- John Kerry said this in his platform for 2004- |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. 1993 Clinton health care plan |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Kerry's plan, IIRC, was to let everyone join the federal employee pool |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Clinton and Obama both have similar proposals |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Not to mention that BX/BS are huge liars and rip offs! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
42. Key difference |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Yeah, I liked Kerry's idea about that |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Like that was going to happen realistically? |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. I don't understand what you are saying. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. BX/BS is expensive |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. no I don't believe they did- and you bring up an interesting question- |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. WTF? |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. He said that if we were starting from scratch, it would be better to have single payer |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. I hate to say it, but he's right |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. But we DON'T have a system where many people have insurance through their jobs!! |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. 59.6%. I'd call that "many" |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. But that's a facade! - It's costly and has crap or barely any coverage! |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. thank you - you said it in a few words- much better |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. weeelllll - you are preaching to |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
53. Hey. if this was easily solved or understood... we'd all be covered by now! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. No, although Edwards did, iirc |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Edwards' plan in 2004 included mandates? |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. Mandates on people are punitive, and conservative |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Do you have car insurance? |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. You could argue that driving is more of a privilege |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
55. Car insurance is mandated in all states in the USA. |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #55 |
76. Yes it is |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
77. Are you required to own a car? n/t |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #77 |
85. You could off yourself and you wouldn't even need health insurance. |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 03:34 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. lol, or I could just elect not to have health insurance since I am young and healthy. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 03:56 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Because you are young, you don't recognize that you DO need health insurance. |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
24. Please tell JK that - because he called for mandates in '06 |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. It sounds like this includes a mandate for children |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. He said children first then adults by 2012 |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
59. The coverage guarantee would come through some form of a government mandate, Kerry said |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
64. He was trying to 'ease' the rethugs into it.... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
10. No! n/t |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
19. Kerry's '04 plan did not - but his revised '06 plan did |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Interesting |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. There was no mandate in that plan! n/t |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Kerry: "Every American, and I mean everybody, must have health coverage by 2012." |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Are you comparing a goal to a mandate to force people to buy insurance? n/t |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. The coverage guarantee would come through some form of a government mandate, Kerry said |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
70. So the plan doesn't include mandates, but he'd "reexamine the program and figure out how reach them" |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Your twisting everything to feed your Hillary hatred |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Don't throw the BS "Hillary hatred" at me. The article is talking about a future evaluation and does |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. brick wall. |
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TayTay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
20. No n/t |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. No? Really? Kerry never called for mandates? |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. Do you not remember what you wrote after his '06 address on the issue? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Ensuring coverage is accessible and affordable for everyone is not forcing them to buy it by madate. |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. And here's where he hits the Republicans who are against mandates |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. That is mandates on insurance companies |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. That's an argument in support of state health programs against Republican sabotage |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
58. Exactly! The more people in the group. the lower the costs! |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Exactly - that is what Clinton has said |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. I already said that upthread. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. No, she emphasizes penalties, including |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. So does Obama |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Are you kidding? That's Hillary's argument: that he lacks a mandate and will not cover everyone! |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #73 |
82. Obama's plan has a mandate on parents and a fine if parents do not... |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #65 |
80. Obama: "Senator Clinton has said that we won't go after their wages" |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 05:59 AM Response to Reply #58 |
88. "The more people in a group, the lower the costs." |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
29. With 14% uninsured in 2003, Kerry proposed covering an additional 6%, |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. 25 million is still a lot of people who would be insured by now. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
48. There wasn't a political consensus for universal health care in 2004 |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
69. No - in his 2008 plan that he gave a speach on at Faneuil Hall in 2006, |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. His '06 speech is here |
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