She Doesn't Want The Presidency Anymore - She Just Wants To Tarnish Obama And Exact Revenge

[THUNDER HANDS]

I think that's becoming quite clear.

If attacks didn't work for her in the past, why would they work now?

After 11 straight losses, and nearly 2 losses out of every 3 they've competed in, who does she think she's going to gain by trashing the guy who most Democrats have supported this year?

She knows she's not going to win. She knows Obama is not going to select her to be his vice president - if she had any hope of that - she certainly threw it out the window in Cincinnati.

No, she just wants to destroy him now. Throw enough mud on him to make him weaker for John McCain.

Because if she can't have the presidency, then no Democrat can.

I'm completely convinced she's resigned herself to this fact.

And with that, she see's her 35-year dream coming to an end.

She looks back at all the time she spent at Bill Clinton's side, dutifully playing the role of the supportive wife - even while he completely embarrassed her and mocked her and lied to her and cheated on her - and realizes it was for nothing.

She realizes that all that time she spent by his side, taking the second=fiddle role that she obviously hated so much, just so she could use it as a ladder for something greater. First the senate, then the White House.

After all those years of abuse, both from outside and inside her personal life, now it was really all for nothing.

That's got to sting.

That's got to hurt.

That's got to make her, well, PISSED THE FUCK OFF.

And now it's all coming out.


Nearing the end of the line, with nowhere else to go - too old to sit and wait for another turn at bat, she realizes this is really the end of the line. The highest she'll ever go is this.

This is the top of the mountain for her.

And she's about to be pushed off.

By someone young and smart and charismatic.

Someone who people fell in love with.

Someone who people gravitate to.

Someone like, well, her husband. The first "first black president."

That's got to be doubly painful.


So now she's got nothing but anger. Nothing but hate. Nothing but blind, seething rage fueling her campaign.

She knows she's going down, but dammit, if she's going down, she's taking him with her.

And us, if she gets her way.

[joeybee12]

1. Get a life....n/t

[IndianaGreen]

47. You get a life and stop drinking that Clintonian Kool-Aid

Read the thread about what Hillary did to a 12-year old rape victim in order to win her case.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

177. Her campaign is directly tied to McCains, see link

Mark Penn's lobbying shop is headed by John McCain's top adviser" »

http://www.obamaiswinning.com/2008/02/mark-penns-lobb.html

[frog92969]

184. Fascinating link.

Thanks for that.

[ingac70]

2. k&r...

so true.

[Alexander]

3. Agreed. The Clintons never helped Democrats win. Nothing has changed.

She wants to destroy Obama, regardless of what it means for the 2008 election.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Yes, I remember the Clinton record.........that we finally overcame in 2006!

[truedelphi]

12. Clinton himself left Gore out on a limb in 2000

If it had been a Republican in office in 2000 - MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT - the National Guard would have been ordered into Florida to count every vote

In 2004 Hillary had Carville do her dirty work on Kerry. While she phoned Edwards and told him to quit grandstanding.

So much for either Clinton as the keeper of the ideals of Democracy.

[DemzRock]

199. I thought that was Gore's choice to avoid Bill!?

[truedelphi]

249. Hadn't heard that. What I had heard was the

Gap between the Gores and the Clintons during the 2000 election cycle.

The Clintons did not treat the Gore Candidacy with the warmth you might expect but almost as though he were the Republican.

[amborin]

145. another obama cultist with zero knowledge of history or facts

like, for starters,

how the clintons helped ted kennedy win the senate seat

when the repub contender was about to win

[Alexander]

147. Zero knowledge? Teddy's challenger was Mittens. A joke of a candidate.

Ted referred to him as "multiple-choice" because of Mittens' flip-flopping on abortion. At a debate, Romney couldn't name his greatest personal failing and was a laughingstock.

Teddy was going to win that race anyway.

If you're so knowledgeable, Shillbot cultist, why don't you tell us how the Clintons got the Brady Bill passed and screwed up health care, dooming the party to 12 years of a congressional minority?

Why don't you tell us how Bill moved to the right and adopted several of Bob Dole's positions to win in 1996?

Why don't you tell us about how Iran Contra and the BCCI scandals were covered up, along with reports of the CIA distributing cocaine in US cities, by President Clinton?

Why don't you tell us about how Bill defended Bush's Iraq War position for several weeks in 2004, and said the Lieberman-Lamont race was "win-win"....after the primary?

You can't tell us about any of these things. Because you don't know jack shit.

[debbierlus]

178. Yeah. The one who was GOVENOR of MA.

He could have never been elected by Massachusetts citizens...right.

I live in MA. It was a political battle & the Clintons stood by him and saved his ass. Whatever your feelings on other issues, Kennedy aligned himself with Clinton & fought the campaign with the theme of Clinton's policies and popularity. And, they stood by him.

I am sick to death of the Clinton bashing on this board. It seems like just yesterday we were all pining for the days of Clinton again, & now, both of them seem to be the devil incarnate.

[route66left]

156. Obama supporters have no knowledge of history...

facts, or the situation. They're delusional.

[juno jones]

174. Ted was a political force when I heard him speak in 1985 at a rally in Oakland.

I had never heard of either Bill or Hill and I was actually very politically active in those days. I doubt the Kennedys need the Clintons for validation.

edit to add: Whose history kimosabee? I 've been around long enough to call 'bullshit' on a lot of this current rhetoric. And coming from people that are often older than I am! Where were you when Reagan was elected?(I was too young the first time, but I wanted Carter) Did you vote for Dukakis and Mondale? Did you pay attention in the 80's? I was in my twenties then and I did. That's why I support the young people coming out in this cycle. I was never given any hope at that age from the cynical pols at the time. I want a change too, and all the twisting of history to fit your ends is not going to alter that one bit.

[maddiejoan]

4. I think you need

to stay out of the cooking sherry.

[jazzjunkysue]

83. You only insult people. You offer no opposing argument. I think the post is correct.

And I think there are people on this board who know exactly how Hillary feels, and are acting every bit as desperately as she is.

[Tyler Durden]

172. And you don't see that OP as an extreme, insulting piece of unsupported inuendo?

Which, in the minds of anyone who reads it carefully, it truly is?

What is WRONG with all of you? ON BOTH SIDES?

But as a neutral non-Obama or Clinton supporter, I'd say the radical extremism goes to the Obama Camp.

[ACanadianLiberal]

211. I am hopelessly watching Obama folks getting insanely crazy,

even O is on the tide of winning. How comes? Why? These days, winner is the one losing cool?

[ErnestoG]

88. I think you need a cogent reply instead of a knee-jerk insult

[maddiejoan]

131. okay

I don't think I do though.

:shrug:

[ErnestoG]

135. Of course you don't. That would mean foregoing the personal attacks.

[sniffa]

5. Hillary is 45

[tabatha]

23. Hillary is 60.

[THUNDER HANDS]

27. 45, as in 45th president

[jgraz]

124. Only if Obama loses in November

Which, I'm sure, many of the Hillbots will be trying to make happen.

[liberal4truth]

146. Not to worry: Hillary blew her chances back in 1993-94 with the heathcare debacle....

and Hillary hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of winning against
Obama.

And this from a former John Edwards' supporter, no less.

Bye-bye, Ms. Clinton: You _won't_ be missed after the awful mess you
made of the US single-payer health-care plan you authored 14 years ago.

Some of us have L-O-N-G memories, dear lady ! ;-)

[DemzRock]

201. I will never understand people who attack Hillary for TRYING!

She was blocked by a propaganda campaign by health companies and the GOP.

But if she hadn't tried, you would love her, right?

[lumpy]

209. True. She did her best to to try and overcome the roadblocks

that continue to try to bring her down and some of those appear to be posting on DU. If anyone believes that Obama will have a walk in the park to advance the health care in this country, those same 'big boys' will do the same to him.

[liberal4truth]

247. Hillary's plan was a nighmarish jigsaw puzzle with some pieces missing...

If you think that mish-mash was a good "healthcare plan", then vote for her. You wil get the same result....again.

IMO, she just put the idea of a national healthcare off the plate for the rest of her husbands' term in office, and then, of course, * came along. :-(

[liberal4truth]

248. IMO, Hillary' didn't "try" to do anything but force a very flawed plan down our throats.

On that was destined to fail...and it did,,, horribly.

Did any of you Hillary supporters READ the entire mess like I did?

It was a nighmare plan, full of pitfalls plain and simple.

[dicknbush]

238. But Hillary was HOPEFULL that she would get a health care plan for all americans

What was wrong with being HOPEFULL in 1992-93 IS being HOPEFULL for OBama different then being HOPEFULL for Hillary...I am HOPEFUL that you have an answer.

[liberal4truth]

245. Hillary isnt the answer. Too many people in both parties despise her.

If you want McCain to win then by all means vote for Hillary.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

234. WTF Magic Rat

she's going to be 44.

here's a link,
http://www.presidentsusa.net/numbering.html

[JVS]

69. Hillary's been 86ed

[Whisp]

130. Hillary does a 360. Look, it's still Hillary!

[Arkana]

6. I find myself wondering what happened

to the Hillary that attended Thursday's debate.

Aside from the "change you can Xerox" crap she actually sounded calm, cool, and presidential--enough so that I would still cast a vote for her if Obama wasn't the nominee.

I'm having my doubts now. I genuinely believe that she's trying to destroy Obama--not just win the nomination.

[THUNDER HANDS]

14. I think she realized somehting during the debate itself and reflected on it the next morning

she hoped her xerox line would provoke an angry response.

It didn't. He was more composed than she thought he'd be.

Then she made that closing statement.

She went home, went to bed, and just before sleeping probably realized that this was it. If she couldn't get into a fight with him, if she couldn't make him angry and bring him down to her level, she'd have no chance.

And it made her angry when she realized how far she'd come and how close she was.

So she got really REALLy angry.

And the next day it all came out. And it's still coming out.

The next debate Tuesday should be viscious.

[KittyWampus]

25. it usually pisses others off when you don't react to their nonsense. Just makes them more mad

[Cha]

45. She would be helping to

destroy Obama if her words held any credence..and,yes, hilary, words do matter.

[JerseygirlCT]

112. I really liked the woman who closed that debate

I really, really dislike the behavior she exhibited in SC and now in OH.

[liberal N proud]

7. Another thread without any substance

These statements one way or the other against Clinton or Obama serve absolutely nothing but to fill server space with wasted bits of nonsense.


What purpose does this thread serve?

[depakid]

76. "What purpose does this thread serve?"

Venting....

and perhaps a prelim or warm-up for when the far right and the corprorate media decides it's time to crank up the "mighty wurlitzer."

[WinkyDink]

77. Well, THAT'S a question that could be asked innumerable times on this board!

[liberal N proud]

84. Yep!

Over and over again

[Perry Logan]

9. Obama people honest-to-God think they can read Hillary's mind. Too many comic books?

[ErnestoG]

90. Hillary's mind is already unhinged. It's caught on video, too.

[Perry Logan]

153. Obama fans are like conspiracy theorists. They see what they want to see.

[MichiganVote]

10. Quite a soap opera analysis you've got going there. Sell it to Fox news.

[jazzjunkysue]

89. I heard a few TV pundits say just this on the political shows today.

This poster is not alone. Hillary did seem to have it all locked up a month ago. I thought she did. Most people I know thought she did.

I think this theory is entirely reasonable.

[MichiganVote]

103. Yeah? Well I think George Bush has a better chance of learning to read than to convince me of this

Highly entertaining tho'
:rofl:

[polichick]

11. I agree that what we're seeing is Hillary reacting to...

...cumulative heartbreak ~ and there's also the bitter pill that comes with knowing it was her husband who helped to take her campaign down after she stood by his side all those years (just like a Tammy Wynette song, even though she was in denial about that).

[gravity]

13. That's uncalled for

I am an Obama supporter, but still have respect for Hillary.

She spent her whole life preparing to be the first woman president, and she is going to give all she's got even when the odds are stacked heavily against her.

[THUNDER HANDS]

17. you have respect for someone that ridicules you?

she's not insulting Obama today, she's insulting YOU, the people who support him, and believe in him.

[gravity]

20. It's politics, not personal

Every politician has their moments

[THUNDER HANDS]

22. and she picks NOW for that moment?

NOW, when she's behind by 150 delegates?

NOW, when she's lost 11 contests in a row?

NOW, when she's lose 66% of all the contests?

NOW, when her campaign is teetering on the edge?

Youd' think she'd choose this time to make amends. To build bridges. To go out gracefully.

[yourguide]

24. That is dead on!

[gravity]

34. Hillary is a fighter

It's who she is and how she became a successful politician. There is still an unlikely chance that she should get the nomination, so she isn't going to give up just yet.

She is just playing politics to win the nomination because she believes she would be best for the job. This is a last ditch effort, which has turned out to be unsuccessful, so there isn't much to worry about.

[THUNDER HANDS]

49. well, there is much to worry about

if she starts saying things that Republicans can then turn into ads against Obama by going "see, even Hillary Clinton says he's not fit to be president."

[gravity]

61. I am really not worried about that

If you want to play that game, we can find attacks the republicans made against McCain to use against them.

Hillary will support Obama once she drops out and everything will be fine. Obama has already successfully countered these attack anyways.

[THUNDER HANDS]

65. the difference between the republican attacks on Mccain and the hillary attacks on obama

is that the Republicans were attacking McCain for his stance on immigration - for being too liberal, and also for him not initially supporting the Bush tax cuts. I don't think we'd use the same attack.

But if Hillary is going to say that a politics of hope is absurd, then they can very well use that line of attack.

[Tyler Durden]

173. I asked you people to do that a couple of days ago.

I got my ass kicked for it.

Just what do you EXPECT?

[Big Blue Marble]

32. It is more than politics, she is angry.

She is very angry that she is watching her dream slip away. She was so confident that
she would win this eight weeks ago. I have seen the interviews. She was smug.

Now she is losing and she is taking it personally. She cannot fathom why the majority of
Democrats do not see her experience as the most important factor in their vote.

It is as if she does not get the emotional aspect of the political equation.
She must think that voters only add up facts when they choose. Not they
vote for the candidate that speaks for them in the political arena.

Apparently, I have given her more political acumen than she deserves.
And the irony, she, herself, reacts to losing with harsh emotion.

[rodeodance]

219. She has good cause to be upset. I am proud she fought back against slimmy tactics.

[Windy]

19. I really don't know how anyone can have respect for Hillary after her show today. If obama would

have done that, I wouldn't be able to support him either.

We've had enough of this kind of politics after eight years of Bush and Rove.

And for me, the worst part is that she is a woman and is making this all about emotion. She is not helping other women who may want to run in the future and its a damn shame. And I say that as a women who was in the military and has worked in the mans world for decades.

She has set us back with her actions today.

[apocalypsehow]

15. Precisely. K & R. n/t.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4687099#4692520

[Name removed]

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[THUNDER HANDS]

18. eww

[Forkboy]

29. Self pic?

[Name removed]

38. Deleted message

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[Forkboy]

55. My sister looks like Hillary, not that.

Seriously, she does.

[ORDem]

21. It's been a long hard slog for everyone.

And I'm sure it's not the first time Hillary has faced disappointment. She's not stupid, she knows the odds are heavily against her, but I imagine at this point she's in one-foot-in-front-of-the-other mode, just trying to get through the current day.

Imagine how endless and taxing and all-consuming it is to be a serious candidate for President. It becomes your entire identity and thus it's very, very difficult to imagine a different reality on the turn of a dime.

Her campaign has been disastrous (and for Hillary supporters to blame Obama's "charisma", or a fawning press, etc. is really self-delusional in the end). Clearly there's lots of blame to spread around for that, especially in hindsight, but for Hillary it's too late for recriminations. She's still got to get up every day and look at herself in the mirror and deal with all the obligations to others who still believe in her candidacy, not to mention donors, and move forward. I cut her slack for all that, ... a bit.

But, it is really difficult to see her go through these final weeks trying to make a few hail mary's while surely having to think of her end game simultaneously. There are going to be many moments when she seems out of it, but that's what happens during major transitions. She's losing her footing.

[QC]

26. And then she wants to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids! n/t

[PurityOfEssence]

28. Oh, just STOP

That's pathetic, mean, childish, idiotic and divisive.

She wants the presidency so much that it's maddening. She's gotten so close that it's hard to believe it could actually slip away. She's a human being.

Why is it that zealots grant their champions the privilege of human failings while denying them to opponents? It's a version of irrational selfishness, that's why. It's the dark side of the human character.

I don't like her either, but she actually does give a damn about the Democratic Party, and those who infer or proclaim otherwise are either wrong or borderline loathesome.

YOUR DREAMS ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE DREAMS OF OTHERS, and raging with infantile vengeance reeks of a self-annointed privilege.

The violent, derisive vehemence of some of the more extreme Obama supporters does MUCH more damage to the common cause than a tenacious opponent in the fight of her life does.

[THUNDER HANDS]

31. so you think ridiculing Obama's supporters and attacking him, moments from exiting the race

is the proper conduct of someone who "gives a damn about the Democratic Party."


Well, you and I just see things differently then.

[PurityOfEssence]

106. She's still got a reasonable chance and she knows it

Your premise is very questionable. If she KNEW she had no chance and was still doing this, that would be one thing, but I seriously doubt if that's the case.

[thoughtcrime1984]

52. YOUR DREAMS ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE DREAMS OF OTHERS, and raging with infantile vengeance

reeks of a self-annointed privilege.


Yes, you got the gist of the OP! :)

[PurityOfEssence]

116. Touche

Still, I'll stand by this continuing riff: so many people seem so "fulfilled" for the first time in their forlorn existence by this guy's divinity that ANY resistance is tantamount to personal destruction and the killing of cute little kittens. Other people have hopes and dreams, too, and he does not have some lock on virtue.

Quite the contrary, in fact: he's engaged in some truly grubby politics and has been quite calculating in his actions, to the detriment of progressive legislation.

What truly pisses me off is the blinkered zealotry that traipses down the path to destruction; this is the kind of hubris that loses elections, and the sheer intoxication of the acolytes' giddiness will breed derision aplenty.

There has been far too much posted threatening on the subject of denying Senator Obama his promised land, and it's unproductive; those who would shout down competition are anti-pluralist, and those who would attribute petty communal destructiveness to those who don't agree deserve to be called out as the reprobates they are.

Obama's record is far from perfect, his tactics well below the threshold of impeccable decency and his worldview and policies no more than somewhat progressive with a liberal slathering of corporate fellow-traveling. He has no moral high-ground in comparison to Senator Clinton, and the demand that he be seen to unquestionably have it is just plain tiresome.

[paperbag_ princess]

113. that is a pretty cool post...

I was about to say that I didn't agree 100%...but as a Hillary supporter..I think I still do agree.

I wanted to say that Hillary wasn't mad for the presidency...but I think she is...I was scared to agree because that might make her look like the "crazy bitch" people are trying to make her out to be...

but does anyone here think that the 3 men left in the primaries are not aggressivly pursuing that power? Huckabee is squeazing a dry turnip for blood...just to have more power and and influence in his party. McCain has been pursing this dream for years...even Romney now that I think about it spent a fortune trying to acheive the nomination.

and if anyone even thinks for a second that Obama is not ambitious beyond belief and wrapped up enough in his own identity to take on the mantle of "world changer" then they are delusional

It has been her dream...and it is the dream of millions of loyal democrats around the nation...and dammit...we have the right to fight for it!...


edit; spelling

[BeyondGeography]

164. "she actually does give a damn about the Democratic Party"

That's funny:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4757369

Feel like you've been played, now? You should.

[jlake]

30. If Hillary hated Obama 1/10th as much as you Hate Hillary his candidacy wouldn't be alive.

You really need to end this obsession with hating Hillary.

Edited to clarify.

[scheming daemons]

37. Really? Hillary is capable of MURDER? Nice right-wing talking point there.....

...sheesh.

[jlake]

48. Thanks for the illogical jump.... I edited to clarify.

[NorthernSpy]

56. you said that HE "wouldn't be alive", and then you changed it to "his candidacy..."

Nice save -- not.

[jlake]

57. You know that is what I meant - thus your illogical jump.

[Yael]

40. She is buring bodies on top of all of this?

Damn.

[jlake]

50. ......

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[L0oniX]

119. ...Vince Foster clones?

[NorthernSpy]

46. so you're saying that if Hillary hated Obama enough, something would happen to him?

That's a really, really weird thing for a Hillary SUPPORTER to say.


:wtf:

[jlake]

51. No. I am saying that he wouldn't be in the race - and that the level of hate from the OP is

simply unimaginable.

[NorthernSpy]

60. Too late. You are busted, busted, busted...

So busted.



:rofl:

[jlake]

63. Oh God, you're silly.

[Bongo Prophet]

141. A fraud-ian slip, perhaps. Like his "i can't wait to be at McCain's party" comment.

Sometimes the mask slips.

[ruggerson]

33. Do you spew this shit at your Hillary supporting girlfriend?

or only to us?

[THUNDER HANDS]

53. my girlfriend could care less

she doesn't care about politics. She thinks McCain is going to win because he's a white guy. She doesn't think Obama or Hillary could beat him. But she supports Hillary because she's a woman.

[ruggerson]

58. she sounds pretty sane

[THUNDER HANDS]

62. she's very common sensical (to make up a word)

but she doesn't know about, nor care about, politics.

[jlake]

64. She doesn't care about politics but she knows a little more than you. SAD

[THUNDER HANDS]

66. so you don't think Hillary would win either?

is that what you're implying?

[jlake]

68. " a little " she is right on on one count. You are both wrong on the other.

[ErnestoG]

91. But YOU'RE going to support McCain, remember?

[jlake]

100. What does that have to do with anything?

[ErnestoG]

109. 1. It's a violation of DU rules 2. It shows you won't be around long.

[NastyRiffraff]

35. Thank you for your psychoanalysis

Is Hillary your patient, Dr. Frist?

[WinkyDink]

79. If we can call Bush a psychopath (and I do, as he is), why not look more closely at HRC?

I happen to think she IS reflecting on her relationship/partnership with her husband, and is not happy about how both her political dream and her marital dream might be at their natural ends.

[Yael]

36. She told Katie Couric that she "never considered" that it wouldn't be hers for the taking

The 30 second clip that set her up for a fall: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xGsX-R_ZTQ

[THUNDER HANDS]

59. damn, I'd forgotten about that clip

it's really scary. That was the most honest I've seen her in a long time. She really was certain she'd be the nominee.

[L0oniX]

121. She really shows her arrogance and pride in that clip.

Pride comes before the down fall. Look at the pride Bush had after 9/11 and where is he now ...19% and falling.

[Bright Eyes]

39. I've been wondering that too.

Though I'm usually wrong about just about everything...

[jmg257]

41. She wants it - so don't forget to keep your eye on THE PRIZE - and 2012.

[dailykoff]

43. Yes.. as long as the cameras are rolling

why not make the most of the opportunity?

[Cha]

42. Too bad hilary's dream is

the Nation's nightmare.

[yourguide]

44. Based on everything I have seen from her

the past few weeks I wouldnt be surprised if she endorsed her "good friend" john mccain after she gets ousted from the primary.

[workinclasszero]

160. I don't doubt it

Prolly the next thing to come out of the ugly, dying Hillary Clinton campaign.

After all whats the difference between a leader of the DLC and the thug candidate?

The little letter beside their name!

[Why Syzygy]

222. She will probably RUN with him!!! n/t

[ecstatic]

54. Thanks for the chuckle nt

[Major Hogwash]

67. "It will all be over by February 5th."

So, this must be Halloween II or Halloween III, because it's just more of the same "slash and gash" crap that was Halloween I.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

70. your crystal ball is broken. its best you invest in a new one.

[Az_lefty]

71. many of us have said that if the Clintons don't win they will tear everything else down

"if I can't be president, no Democrat can"...absolute juvenile mentality. She is no way competent enough to be President.

[gravity]

73. You are being juvenile for assumming that

Hillary will support Obama once she drops out of the race

[mkultra]

72. this seems demeaning to the hillary supporters

Maybe you should consider this before you post.

[rug]

74. How can she take him down if she's beaten, humiliated and unhinged?

Can't have it both ways.

[applegrove]

75. Oh good grief. They are almost tied. She could if she hits the right spot - turn

it around. This is a nomination race. She should be doing what she can to win. As long as it isn't Rovecreepy - she should be pointing out any fault of Obama's.

[Obamaman2008]

82. With what money? She is out of dough, spent it all on donuts. She

needs to get 60% of the vote in every remaining just to tie Obama!

[applegrove]

242. It does look bad.

[catgirl]

78. She'll probably swiftboat Obama even after she concedes

just out of spite.

[bigtree]

80. OMG! The Obama camp is becoming completely unglued!

Wow! Are we interrupting your coronation? I must have missed where Obama achieved the necessary amount of delegates to nominate. Did they cancel the upcoming elections? Hoo, boy! You guys are cracking me up today, so much that I haven't given a thought to posting a thread today. I love the smell of fear in the Obama camp.

[Lilith Velkor]

81. I used to think the Repubs were the most pathetic sore winners of all time

Hard to believe who beat them, and how quickly they did it.

[yourguide]

87. LOLOL

Considering your candidate told the media the coronation was going to be Feb 5 I dont think you have much room to scoff, there is no fear here.

The more HRC goes negative the more her numbers go down...it's why the national polls show Obama's numbers bouncing back and continuing to gain ground on HRC in both Texas and Ohio.

Short of trying to steal pledged delegates or sway superdelegates against the will of the voters you guys are DONE, and not a moment too soon.

[bigtree]

92. Your campaign's message to the upcoming states is that their votes don't matter

End the election right here, the Obama camp says, before these larger states which have favored Hillary Clinton get to weigh in. The 10 million voters who have already weighed in and voted for Hillary Clinton disagree with Obama.

[yourguide]

95. Is that why the Obama camp has been speaking nonstop

in the 4 primary states while your candidate keeps making pitstops in NY?

Oh stop.

Considering the Obama team has more boots on the ground in the upcoming states than HRC I think it's clear the Obama campaign feels their votes matter.

Hillary didnt even bother going to Lousiana to campaign. Obama did. Obama had a 50 state strategy, your candidate thought the coronation was feb 5, and every time they lost a state essentially said they dont count.

Oh STOP!

[bigtree]

97. that's funny. you know next to nothing about the Clinton campaign

good.

[yourguide]

101. Actually

The truth is YOU are the one who knows nothing about the clinton campaign.

They didnt even understand how the texas primary worked. The screwed up and didnt file their delegates in PA - they were short 20, and even after getting an extention and filing they still missed 10.

Are you kidding? He out gamed her pure and simple. She was out of friggin money a week prior to super tuesday and had to give herself a $5 million loan. As of the end of January campaign to date fundraising:

HRC: 134 mil
Obama: 138 mill

They were likely TIED in funds by the time Iowa rolled around but the HRC camp blew their money.

Why? Because the upcoming states didnt matter to the HRC camp, they had the coronation to expect. Why is it in EVERY state since super tuesday the Obama team has had offices up and running weeks ahead of HRC? Is it because those votes dont count?

Your candidate is broke, and her campaign is broken. Something funny happened on the way to the coronation Feb 5 and it was that your candidate didnt win.

[bigtree]

102. the money argument? So Obama's ascent is based on the money he's spent?

Exposure is everything. Money buys the access to the media which provides that exposure. He's been more successful in getting folks to fork over the cash.

But, don't expect me to measure my candidate's worth by the money she has to spend. Again, you know almost nothing about the Clinton campaign except from what you read and promote from the media's political gossip columns. But, you go ahead . . . I'm actually enjoying this.

[yourguide]

104. What are you talking about?

Their totals were less than 3% different.

Your candidate had all of the money AND media coverage early on.

The stories I quoted you were from the state's local newspapers.

Enjoy it, all you like, through March 4th. Then lick your wounds and take a good, long, hard and realistic look at HRCs failed effort - no one's fault but her own.

[GoneOffShore]

122. Pennsylvania voter here

And I'll be going to the polls on primary day.
I was going to pull the lever for Edwards and still might.

But if it's still between Hils and B, well, it's going to be B for me.

[ErnestoG]

93. You are confused. Obama didn't go unhinged for the cameras.

[quantass]

85. Goodbye Hilary!

[meow mix]

86. this is HER party, and now its time for our punishments.

hillary is going really badly... nothing we can do but watch her trash the party

[billbuckhead]

94. The Clintons never quit, it's quite heroic and why I support them

It's why they're the only winning Dems in decades. When this children's crusade inevitably ends up without anyone getting ponies, someone has to pick up the pieces.

[susankh4]

96. Hillary wants the US to have Universal Healthcare

And, now it is painfully clear we will not have it under Obama.

Don't worry tho... Ralphie is ready to take up the banner. He can carry the Universal Healthcare message...... for those who won't vote for a half-assed version of it.

[Cha]

117. Any special reason you don't have current

pic of hil or a real one? Say like the one from yesterday in her red meltdown suit or the one from today when she thought she was so effective yesterday she insulted millions of Democratic voters across the country with her mean spirited Mocking?

[susankh4]

123. It's not my poster

I am only circulating it.

I was present for the "meltdown" btw. She was much kinder than I would have been.

[paulk]

98. she's trying to win the nomination

This isn't over yet -

If you think Hillary's attacks are negative, just wait until the 'pukes get their teeth in Obama.

[BootinUp]

99. From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.

:rofl:

[workinclasszero]

163. buHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

Thats Hillary and her election team alright!:rofl:

But really its:cry: that she will destroy all in her path on the way down.

[BootinUp]

167. FYI: I was laughing AT the OP.

and my little movie quote was posted in sarcasm. Get a grip friend. :)

[meow mix]

171. rofl

:rofl:
classic

[cooolandrew]

105. ....

[Tom Rinaldo]

107. This is a really vile OP

I don't accept your premise at all and resent you posting this devisive crap. I absolutely do not accept that about Hillary. When you start talking from a premise that she is happy to help the Republicans win just to get revenge on Obama you make me want to wretch. I will not debate that premise - it can't be disproved to your satisfaction no matter what I might post and I don't want to give your smear the standing of even being worthy of discussion.

If you hadn't made such an ugly claim I might talk to you about Hillary's comments to the crowd at he State of the Black Union convention but it is not worth my bother with you to do so.

Barack Obama is not entitled to the Democratic nomination, nor is he entitled to be treated with kid gloves. And for Obama's sake I hope you take some anger management classes because tirades like this one will only make his and Hillary's efforts to unite our party behind our ultimate nominee so that person can win in November that much harder.

[K Gardner]

108. Lordy ! Magic isn't the problem here. Hillary is. She's the one who

is dividing the party. Go to HuffPo or Daily Kos or Salon or MyDD or Digg.com or Buzzflash, to name a few, and read the comments from ordinary voters. Thousands of them, pages after page of them. Or continue to deny it.

[ErnestoG]

111. You support Hillary and you're lecturing US about "anger management"?

HAHAHA!!! Hey, now THAT is funny!

[Tom Rinaldo]

114. She didn't accuse him of trying to destroy her and elect McCain as revenge n/t

[ErnestoG]

125. Instead she goes on a wild eyed, vein-bulging display about a flier...

Yea, that will inspire confidence in her.

[sundancekid]

223. 'zactly - it's been cousin of Zell moments over and over again

[JerseygirlCT]

110. Oh man, I sure hope you're wrong about that

We have GOT to stick together, whoever wins this. I support Obama, but I surely hope she's better than that, I really do.

[VotesForWomen]

115. more positive, tone changing from obamites. nt

[earth mom]

118. Obama's already tarnished enough without anyone's help. Can you say Rezko? nt

[ErnestoG]

126. You're behind the curve. Not even FAUX NEWS is doing Rezko anymore

Better try to drudge up some new dirt

[earth mom]

137. I don't watch Faux News. Interesting that you think nothing of Obama's cozy proximity to corruption.

:puke:

[hell-bent]

120. I hope she does.

I hope Hillary takes her "marbles" to the convention in Denver and dead-locks Obama from getting enough delegates to win the nomination. Wouldn't that just be grand! Then, perhaps we could get Al Gore to step right in and take the nomination and win in November. Of course, there would be lots of cheese for all whiners. :nopity:

[Bluebear]

127. A nice, long (& I mean LONG ) unifying, change of "tone", hopeful post.

:eyes:

[Catherine Vincent]

132. And it got 38 recs from his fellow Obots.

:eyes:

[Bluebear]

134. This is the "best" of the New DU.

[Raine]

128. If Obama loses

Hillary will be young enough for another go at it in 4 years. If Obama wins it will be much harder for her in 8 years.

[Beacool]

129. Thank you, Dr. Freud!!!!!!!!!

What would we have done without your psychoanalysis, now go back and drink some more of that Kool-Aid.

:crazy:

[eridani]

133. I think that's nonsense. She'd make a very good Senator for life

That seems to have worked out fine for Ted Kennedy, and it looks like Kerry's going that route as well.

[femrap]

136. If she wanted to really kill his candicacy, all she

would have to do is discuss his daddy. That is going to explode. How many wives he had??? Does everyone know about this???

The Evangelicals are going to have a field day...I had no idea of the polygamy.

And I don't care how much everyone likes change, The American people don't like it....at least they don't vote for it. Look back at history.

[anonymous171]

138. WTF!? nt

[loveangelc]

139. It's sad to see, but she's doing whatever she can to win OH and TX and that means

make Obama sound like someone who makes silly promises and full of slogans. IDK if it will be effective or not, but she has nothing to lose and tbh she has to do it if she has any chance. Obama can easily do a "there you go again, mrs.clinton, disparaging my supporters" thing though.

[Eurobabe]

140. Call security and have that woman removed

if she stays in this to tarnish Obama after March 4th, someone needs to shackle her to a chair and tell her it's over. Give it up.

[amborin]

142. such nonsense

let obama tell michelle to stifle herself for starters

if you want to start alleging anyone's destroying obama's chances, look there first

[TreasonousBastard]

143. Oh Shit! You're right! I'M CHANGING MY VOTE!

[amborin]

144. obama's hypocrisy

claims to be above dirty politics

then send smear flyers around with lies about hillary's health care plan

[Bluebear]

148. "She, she, she, she, she, she, she, she." Can't even say her name, big boy?

Issues.

[OneBlueSky]

149. could be . . . we'll see . . . n/t

.

[CarbonDate]

150. Hillary's done pretty well for herself.

Two term senator is nothing to sneeze at. No, it's not the top job, but she spent eight years in the White House advising the President and helping shape policy. Shit, only 43 people in our nation's history have been President. She's still done a sight better than almost anybody.

[pnwmom]

151. Nonsense. She hasn't gotten to where she is now by being the kind

of person who gives up easily. And she's married to the guy who's known as the "comeback kid."

I wish this were over with, too, but I can't blame her for wanting to see this through to at least Texas and Ohio.

[my3boyz]

152. She knows she no longer has a chance but

she wants to drag Barack down with her. She wants to make sure he loses so she can run again in 4 years.

[Apollo11]

154. So Hillary is not allowed to defend herself against negative attacks?

Like for example this flier the Obama campaign is using in Ohio:




Do you think that maybe if Hillary ignores these negative attacks they will disappear all by themselves?

That approach worked real well for John Kerry when he was attacked by the Swiftboat Liars back in 2004 ... :eyes:

[SIMPLYB1980]

158. Don't forget this from NV.

[Major Hogwash]

155. Just 8 more days.

That's enough time for Hillary to totally burn what's left of her campaign to the ground, isn't it?

[moondust]

157. Maybe she'll be on the Nader ticket!!

Can she possibly be as spiteful as Ralphy?

[workinclasszero]

159. "She just wants to destroy him now."

***No, she just wants to destroy him now. Throw enough mud on him to make him weaker for John McCain.

Because if she can't have the presidency, then no Democrat can.***

I agree with you. She knows she isn't going to win so she will work with the rethug party to destroy Obama.

This way she can try again in 4 years. All Hillary cares about is herself. Period.

[greguganus]

162. After her antics, how can she win anything in the future? n/t

[closeupready]

166. Maybe so. Lots of people say she helped derail Kerry's run.

And ditto Gore's. So that (you know how this ends) the path would be clear for her to run and win the Dem nomination in subsequent years.

[BigDDem]

161. Tin foil....get yer free tin foil.....

:rofl:

[closeupready]

165. yeah, sadly, that's how I see it, too. Such a shame, too, because

she had enjoyed a measure of goodwill, now she just looks unhinged and almost crazy. And she thinks people want her hands on the nuclear football? No freaking way.

[autorank]

168. Lots of interesting stuff here. I do not agree with the intentional undermining.

She has sat dutifully by and put up with a ton of crap, all the while waiting her turn.

Then Bill gets in there and screws things up. That's when the wheels came off. It wasn't about getting help from her husband. It was about his lapses of competence. Had she jerked the chain hard the first time it happened, it would have been a plus but he screwed up repeatedly, making it look like he was running the campaign. Very bad shift.

She's not charismatic and she doesn't have a power packed resume. She doesn't even have that one effort in her background that worked. Correction - that one thing is keeping Bill in the game by not leaving him and providing the support he needed not to crumble when things were horrible. That doesn't count if he's screwing up and I'm not sure it counts at all as a candidate for president.

If she's out there precipitating a Democratic Viking's funeral, I suspect that this is not consciously conceived. She may be facilitating that but you can't reason backward and say, because this is the end, this is what she intends.

[pingzing58]

169. Oh, give it a break.

[ElboRuum]

170. I'll put aside...

...the fact that what amounts to yet another in a long line of OPs that amounts to nothing more than a bunch of histrionics manages to get 53 recs at last count. I'll chalk that up to the primary season and whatever funny gas is being pumped through everyone's internets tubes.

I'll also put aside the belief I have that if you could have embedded a MIDI version of The Imperial March in your post, you would have.

For that matter, let's put aside the fact that everything in your post belongs on the Psychic Friends Network rather than some form or rational opinion piece, since clearly you've got a direct output line from Hillary's brain.

Then, let's put aside the tinfoil hats that anyone who reads this should be rummaging for in their sock drawers. I mean, c'mon, Team Clenis knows all and wants your precious innards for ritual sacrifice and the only thing for it is a nice, fashionable, aluminum foil wrapped ray-dome.

Now, let's see. After putting all that aside, is there any there there? Nope. Not a thing.

You hate Hillary. I get it.

[Scout]

175. oh for fuck's sake

you are just too much! quite the imagination you've got!

project much?

[debbierlus]

176. Oh good lord. This is precisely why Obama supporters are getting a bad name

Your post is arrogant, condescending, and petty.

I became a default Hillary supporter after my candidates were forced from the race by a media that wanted a contest between a black man & a white woman.

I don't like either of them, but I can't stand the way people feel entitled to bash Hillary on every level outside the political spectrum.

Yeah. What a bitch...what a victim...what a woman....

Obama ain't no second coming. He has policies to the RIGHT of Clinton, he has proven his willingness to discriminate against the homosexual community for support in the south, and he has many corporate links and ties.

Vote for him, whatever. But, let's stop pretending he is anything but a very clever new face for the same old damn thing. The corporations are wetting their pants laughing. Is this all it takes? A new LOOK and a feel good chant.

America is screwed.

[onehandle]

179. "Arrogant, condescending, and petty" is exactly right.

I don't believe Obama would approve of their behavior here on DU.

[lumpy]

227. After spending a good part of the day reading this crap, the

posters slinging mud at Hillary have almost convinced me that if these people represent Obama, I will happily support Hillary.

[RememberWellstone]

180. Diaper change for you?

how bout a bottle of warm milk? First election? This is called politics sweet pea, you think this ia hard? Wait until the GE.

[frog92969]

181. Nail On Head!

She may just crack up completely before it's over.

[BeachBuckeye]

182. One of the more hateful, absurd posts I have seen here at DU

You should be ashamed.

[Chalco]

183. Exactly. I think this whole thread should be deleted.

I'm very sick of the Hillary bashing, misogynist chatter on this website.

[Lerkfish]

185. I disagree, I think she absolutely wants to be president

the problem is her strategy of negative attackes is giving her some bad backblow, and as it does, she feels her only recourse is more negative attacks.

Her mailer that came to us in Ohio is amazing desperate, still baseless and extremely petty negative attacks. The funniest one is when she gets on HIM about NAFTA, and says he has no plan to "fix" it, but she does.


man, the irony.

[High Plains]

186. Jesus Christ! Thank you, thread participants for reminding me...

...why I don't hang out in GDP. Why don't y'all just form a circular firing squad?

[katandmoon]

187. Keep it up, just keep it up. You're turning me off Obama more and more with this crap.

[lumpy]

228. Me too

x

[HeraldSquare212]

188. Penn wins as long as Obama loses - his co. is high up in the McCain campaign, also.

Even if attacks don't help Hillary, they might end up helping McCain and, thus, Penn.

[NorthernSpy]

202. good point...

In November 2008, we were going to be allowed to choose between the Democratic and Republican brands of the same product. That was the plan.


Obama is the factor they didn't count on.


That's why they're freaking out now.

[bushisdirt]

189. Absolutely excellent!! That's it! Forgive the Hillary supporters here. They

do not see clearly. They want a woman President and wouldn't care if it was Witch Hazel. I am a total Obama supporter (on his LA team in Century City), but I have my doubts now as to his electibility. I think his wife made a major major mistake with her "proud of America" statement and the neocons will use it coupled with some Obama practices to destroy Obama. But I will keep on trying. I just hope to God Hillary doesn't win the nomination and I have to vote for McCain. That contingency plan will cost twice as much as the Obama wins plan.

[txaslftist]

190. A bit much.

At her very worst she came to view the presidency as an entitlement, but she never meant to inflict harm there.

Her motives have been largely good, sometimes selfish, but she's hardly the vengeful ogre you make her out to be.

She's tanking, and I think that's a good thing. The "largest generation" (or should that be "largesse generation"?) has inflicted enough damage and people want something new. That's her epitaph, and it's enough.

But there's no reason to trash her unfairly.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

191. Defuckinlusional...

[mckeown1128]

192. I agree. N/T

[SaveOurDemocracy]

193. color me surprised... n/t

[Truthiness08]

194. Well your opinion is entertaining, but...

You list personal complaints and speculations are petty. Your rant contained less facts than Fox news. You ignore Hilary's statement that she will help the Obama campaign if she loses and that she isn't that far behind and it is possible that she will go into the convention and receive enough support from Super Delegates to secure the nomination.

[Amaya]

195. To much time on your hands?

however, this was one of the more entertaining Hilary threads -

Poor Hilary ...hahahaha !

Thanks :)

[Chovexani]

196. LMAO

Best political satire of the year. You ought to get a DUzy for this.

...oh wait, you're serious? Really?

Maybe next time don't post when you're having heat stroke? Or under the influence of wacky tobbacy? I know that stuff makes me paranoid sometimes.

[Tarc]

197. A perfect example of why the "Recommend" link shuold be removed from GD-P

64 and counting sips of kool-aid is what propelled this swill to the front page.

[Catherine Vincent]

198. It was tripe yesterday and it's still tripe. nt

[MyNameGoesHere]

200. Dr. Phil called he wants you to stop practicing

psychiatry without a license.

[saracat]

203. And this isn't a sexist rant? And vicious? I am so done with all this. This is a sickening post.

I think I may actually be done with the US.I did not start out as a Hillary supporter.I thought the Hillary supporters were too sensitive about what they called "sexist attacks". Perhaps some were but more was to come.It is a post like this that makes me realize what little progress women have made. A male candidate would NEVER be talked about in this manner. Mocking her age, her marital relationship, talking about "abuse" and "second fiddle". This is the ultimate in revolting.

Most your attacks are personal and your assignations of her motives are based on nothing but personal hatred.This says a lot more about the OP than it does about the Clinton Campaign.

If it wasn't so sad, I should thank you for making sure I am aware just how little staus women have in this country. Postetss like this open my eyes to the real inequality of this nation.

[THUNDER HANDS]

207. I'm not mocking her

There are undeniable facts in what I said.

Fact - she is in her 60s. Four or eight years from now and she'll be as old as McCain, who is already thought of to be pushing the boundaries of being too old for the presidency.

Fact - her husband cheated on her. And unlike when a normal husband cheats on a wife - this was done in public, with the whole nation, world even, watching.

Fact - infidelity is abuse. Emotional abuse. I've been cheated on. I know the feeling. I believe it's a fairly universal reaction.

Fact - she and her husband came into the White House as a "two-for-one deal" to use her husband's expression. But the two weren't equal, polically, of course. She was number two. A second fiddle politically, not relationship-wise. Though his actions as a husband would lead one to believe he didn't exactly value her as an equal partner in that regard either.

Fact - she is a woman. So anything I say, you say, anybody says about her not directly related to her stands on issues is going to be viewed through a semi gender-based prism. But my post, aside from what I mentioned above, have nothing to do with gender, as much as they do with crass political reality. A politician seeing their highest hopes and aspirations go up in flames, seeks to kamakazie their opponent. It's not unheard of, and has nothing to do with gender.

[saracat]

214. Sorry. I don't buy your reasoning.Your choice of language in your little screed was telling.

You were practically quoting from the Limbaugh playbook.And the relevancy of her martial situation, whether exposed in public or not has nothing to do with presidential competancy or the decisions made regarding her camoaign.You have painted her as a "scorned woman' who is lashing out.I have never ever seen a male candidate lambasted in this manner.Has any male candidate who has refused to concede to rival been accused of doing it in retaliation to a marital situation? Has any Male candidate ever been accused of attempting to destroy his own party for "spite". I stand by my original response.This was a disgusting OP and the fact that you may not even be able to recognize it makes it worse.Thank you for taking the blinders off of my eyes.

[THUNDER HANDS]

217. you can't compare hillary's situation to a male candidate's

for precisely the reason that she's a woman. No woman has ever run for the presidency before (in a legit way). Certainly no former first lady. Certainly no former first lady who was a victim of infidelity.

To gloss over that would be to ignore the 800lb gorilla in the room.

She has a lot to be angry about. And the reason for this OP was not that I blindly hate Hillary, but because she attacked Obama and mocked his supporters, while being EXTREMELY PISSED OFF in the process.

And yeah, there have been male candidates accused of attempting to destroy the party out of spite - Ted Kennedy in 1980 for one.

[lumpy]

232. Betcha' you were forefront in accusing Ted Kennedy of trying

to destroy the party in 1980. Figures, since you are using similar tactics against Clinton.

[THUNDER HANDS]

239. I doubt it, I was 2 years old.

[BlackVelvet04]

210. It's a sad time for women.....n/t

[lumpy]

230. Well stated. Couldn't agree more.

Jesus, this forum has gone to hell. Hard to believe that some of the so-called DU Dems will vote for McCain if Hillary gets the nomination. Misogyny is alive and well and Rush is clapping his hands.

[Independent-Voter]

204. I'd say it's got more to do with being broke now. Gotta milk those few supporters left to pay for

sammiches, parking tickets, and donuts.

[katandmoon]

205. "US?" You don't speak for me.

My gawd, you are full of yourself.
I'm sure as fuck not in love with Obama, I don't gravitate to him, and posts like this make me feel more and more reluctant to ever even vote for him if he gets the nomination. So just keep it up. You're not doing a thing for your cause except hurting it.

[lumpy]

206. Garbage

x

[happygoluckytoyou]

208. BACK THE DEM PRIMARY WINNER... QUIT FALLING INTO THE GOP INFIGHTING TRAP

[THUNDER HANDS]

213. tell that to Clinton

but aside from that, I've said many times I'll support her if she's the nominee. I've voted for her twice in New York. I've both attacked and defended her over the years here. I call them as I see them.

[ExtraGriz]

212. another garbage post

spewing more hate, anger, and political vitimization

[AlinPA]

215. It hurts to say this, but I agree. I supported her until a few weeks ago.

[dicknbush]

240. Big mistake Big mistake.....

[ACanadianLiberal]

216. Magic Rat: This is not the way reaching out.

Now, I can see that Mr. Obama has 85% chance to win out this nomination process. He should have been tring to reach out to these Clinton people, assumably solid democratic base, seriously court them over. It's actually quite easy though. Only thing he (and your stupid supporters as well) needs to do is just to smile over the crying of Mrs. Clinton and their followers pretending nothing happening, even gives some "unwelcomee" comfort. Easy like that! Even there is a chance of 15% to lose the process, but he still has chance in the very near future. Now this live or death thing is burning away all the bridges and paves. To be honest, I don't get it.

[THUNDER HANDS]

218. i think you misunderstood my point

my point wasn't to reach out and say, let's be friends now. The point was to respond to an angry rant and viscious and mocking diatribe by, not her supporters, but the candidate herself.

There is such a thing as being gracious in defeat. Some people know how to act that way, some don't. Nobody likes to be piled on, but when the attacks continue from the other side - from the very top - then there's little recourse but to respond.

[ACanadianLiberal]

224. I know what the problem you have here now.

In your heart, Hillary Clinton has been a deval. You have dehumanized her. Attack is attack. Do you really believe Obama and his camp have never attacked other sides. So, is this only way left for him and his camp to respond to the ATTACK? I don't think so. You know giants never minds anything annoying from those little ones. Anyway, giant is giant. All Obama's reactions to those so-called "attacks" remind me he is not a giant. Where is the Giant in the USA these days?

[THUNDER HANDS]

225. do you mean a devil or a diva?

I couldn't tell what you meant by that.

But I haven't dehumanized her. I still think highly of her. I'm just disappointed. I voted for her twice, as I said, and I think she'd be a great senator if she devotes her time to that.

But recognize the writing on the wall and stop giving the other side ammunition to attack Obama with. Or at the very least, don't mock his supporters.

[ACanadianLiberal]

229. Sorry, typo (deval => devil).

This is not issue about ammunition. Magic. It's about a winner apparance. There are plenty of ways to respond to the ATTACK, but he and his camp chosed the bad one. 85% chance will he win the thing. He is supposed to be on the position to picture the bigger one - GE!

[THUNDER HANDS]

231. i think he is

but his supporters and the people below him can wallow in the muck with Clinton and her surrogates for a while until he has this thing wrapped up.

[Why Syzygy]

220. YOU SAID IT!

Her true Scorpio sting cannot be held in check any longer. She has ALWAYS been this way.
She is backed into a corner and knows nothing but venom.

She is a disgrace to all we hold dear.

[Gman]

221. This is why I've got GD: P blocked

because of insane crap like this.

But unfortunately the Obamakids keep rec'g this until it shows up on the home page.

[Barack_America]

226. That seems to be the case.

But I hope that she proves me wrong by cutting this shit and bowing out gracefully.

[AZ Criminal JD]

233. What is your definition of "most democrats"?

Obama has received 10,878,769 votes in the primaries and Clinton has received 10,577,650. Out of that total of 21,456,446 it means Obama has received 50.7% of those votes and Clinton has received 49.3%. I don't call that "most."

[THUNDER HANDS]

241. well, you have to factor in the votes for Edwards and the others too

So Obama has more like 50%, Hillary 4% and the others about 3%.

But ultimately, "most" means more than anyone else.

[AZ Criminal JD]

243. What?? Hillary 4%? What are you smoking?

Obama does not have 50% of the total votes when you factor in Edwards, DK, and others.

[THUNDER HANDS]

244. sorry, that was a typo - but, yes, he does have 50%

he has 50%

Hillary has 46%

the others have between 3 and 4%

[kotsu]

235. Oh that's right

Let's don't have any more voting, I'm wanting my candidate picked for me by fanatical followers of some cult of personality. Let's not clutter up this process with anything democratic like...issues and what a particular person might actually do if they manage to get elected in the general.

I'm really starting to think my party died years ago. That or taken over by Republicans when I wasn't looking.

[1776Forever]

236. Shame that the very things some people have talked about the Clinton's is coming true before us!

:nopity: :hangover: :nopity:

[bluerum]

237. I believe that the shark has officially been jumped.

I think that Nader and the repukes is/are/will be more of a problem than Clinton.

[BootinUp]

246. Nader? you must be joking

that guy is no threat at all.