****A request to all the people posting on this board****

[NJmaverick]

Before clicking "Post message" please reread your post. Ask yourself, "would this post also fit over at the Free Republic?" If the answer is yes (because it attacks a Democrat) either reword it or delete it. We shouldn't be doing the freeper's work for them. We shouldn't be helping them find dirt or good arguements against Democrats.

[tekisui]

1. Sound advice.

[Maddy McCall]

2. I hope you plan to act according to your own advice in the future.

[yourguide]

4. Maddy you are one of the worst offenders of this

so I might consider retracting your snarky remark.

[Maddy McCall]

14. Actually, I call people out on either side when they're assholes.

But you see my avatar and just assume that I'm not objective about posts at DU.

[yourguide]

18. No I see your behavior when someone disagrees with you.

[Maddy McCall]

31. Cool. You're watching me.

Awesome.

[yourguide]

34. No, your posts are just so over the top they are easy to remember.

[Maddy McCall]

40. Glad you're watching me. Awesome.

I'm not ashamed one bit of my posting history.

[yourguide]

46. well, based on your posts I'm quite certain you're not.

[Maddy McCall]

48. Yeah, some people don't like women who don't take sexist shit lying down.

IF that offends you, then deal with it.

[ErnestoG]

50. Oh there she goes again LOL

[yourguide]

61. Yup, if you dont support hillary...

you're a sexist (which I've been called by HRC supporters even though I am a woman)

you're a republican (even though I voted for Kucinich in 2004)

you're a right winger (even though I have marched in 3 stop the war in Iraq marches)

you're a commie (because I have a two beautiful Shepherd Fairy lithographs in my signature)

Stop the rhetoric, when you post some sort of snarky remark like that in response to someone making a good faith effort it's a bit like pot meet kettle.

[ErnestoG]

66. The world must be wonderfully simple for such a person...or wonderful for the simpleton?

[ErnestoG]

19. Thanks for making the case against you. Please never enroll in law school.

[Midlodemocrat]

37. Dear God. After your comments about Hillary's action as a court appointed lawyer

I shudder to think that you might be one. God help us. :scared:

[ErnestoG]

If I were a lawyer I wouldnt badger a 12 year old rape victim.

I leave that stuff to Hillary and her ilk.

[Midlodemocrat]

52. Thank GOD!!!! You're not an attorney. And you don't even play one on DU.

:bounce:

In case you're wondering. A court appointed lawyer has the ethical charge to give her client the best defense he or she possibly can that a high paid attorney does.

It's the system. It's not HRC's fault. Get over it.

[ErnestoG]

64. And The Gods willing, neither will Hillary Clinton be president

either on DU or anywhere else.

Now see if you can stop making ME the topic and address the OP. Think you can do that?

[Midlodemocrat]

72. Funny how everytime a candidate is defended here, posters

automatically make the leap that they are on the 'other side'. How about a simple call for civility? Or is that too much?

[ErnestoG]

78. Civility is a wunderbar idea. Problem is, it takes two.

[NJmaverick]

81. It usally just takes a group of determined people

To set a good example.

[Maddy McCall]

38. That's my little pet stalker.

I can't post at DU without him showing up within seconds to say something to me.

:rofl:

[ErnestoG]

51. You think too much of yourself. It's pure coincidence.

[Midlodemocrat]

54. I noticed that. Is it me, or is it a coincidence?

:rofl:

[Maddy McCall]

57. I think he has a crush on me...

but in that grade-school tug-my-ponytail type way.

:D

[ErnestoG]

65. Not even in your fevered fantasies, Lindsay.

But thanks for the thought.

[Midlodemocrat]

73. Your loss. Maddy is gorgeous inside and out.

[ErnestoG]

74. not really a concern of mine. I thought were talking about candidates, anyway.

Why is it you Hillarbots just have to drag everything to the personal level instead of staying focused on topic?

[Maddy McCall]

77. Thank you, sweetheart. Back atcha.

:loveya:

[LeftCoast]

84. Something tells me our friend here isn't so into lefty chicks

Maddy fan here too!

:yourock:

[Maddy McCall]

88. Awww....

Thank you! :loveya:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

69. She Wasn't The One Giving The Advice. Furthermore, You Are Not Immune From Your Own Criticism.

[cbayer]

80. Actually she does call people out on both sides.

And she is by no means one of the worst offenders. She supports her candidate without attempting to destroy the other.

[Midlodemocrat]

85. That's not true. Maddy calls out supporters from both sides all the time on their lack of civility.

[NJmaverick]

12. You mean like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4737155&mesg_id=4737155

or this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4745916&mesg_id=4745916

As I say in the first post, I readily admit to getting carried away and apologize. Will you honor my request?

[zabet]

29. Yes, I try very hard to

stay out of the personal attacks
toward the DUers. I may post linked
material that his supporters are
not find pleasant but, I have gotten
tired of the way it always boils
down to the personal attack.

You do far better than most in
admitting it and trying to do
better. :thumbsup:

[NJmaverick]

59. thank you!

[Maddy McCall]

30. Thank you for doing that...I'm doing the same sort of thing....

when I see people who are posting outrageous stuff against either, I do the same.

[NJmaverick]

63. thank you!

[ErnestoG]

3. I have no problem attacking Hillary Clinton. Her actions are deplorable.

This is primary season. We will be attacking each others nomination candidates until the nomination. It's part of the process.

[NJmaverick]

6. Is it too much of a challenge, to simply state why your candidate

is better? Is it too difficult to make a sound reasoned arguement FOR your candidate? Do you need to "attack" the other? Do you think those attacks make the freepers happy?

[ErnestoG]

15. I've done it repeatedly. Even gave a long list of Obama's accomplishments on another thread

but the slime and the cheap shit slung by the Hillars goes on unabated, like zombies dumbly grabbing at freshly dead flesh.

It is just silly for you to advocate NOT fighting for our candidate, which includes fending off the negative attacks on him with wit, parody, satire or sarcasm.

[NJmaverick]

21. I want to fight against right wingnuts and repukes and naderites

I don't want to fight against fellow dems.

[ErnestoG]

32. What if that "fellow Dem" has enabled so much of the right wing?

Like Hillary has? No thank you, no thank you at all.

My intention is to fight for Obama to get the nomination because I believe he is the best suited Democrat for the job. Unless that Obama graphic got on your profile by accident, I suspect you share that view. Now if he doesnt make it and Hillary is the nom, I will pin on the noseplugs and vote for her, and then steel myself for a McCain win because that's exactly what I believe will happen if McCain meets Hillary.

That shows unerring support for my party. But it also acknowledges cold reality as I see it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. You Give Yourself Far Too Much Credit

"It is just silly for you to advocate NOT fighting for our candidate, which includes fending off the negative attacks on him with wit, parody, satire or sarcasm."

[ErnestoG]

36. Very good. You know how to quote. Now, how to THINK...

that's another matter.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I Think I Proved My Point And Struck A Nerve In The Process, Ernie

~

[ErnestoG]

53. A legend in your own mind, aren't you.

Selling books or CDs yet?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. He Who Doesn't Toot His Own Horn His Horn Goes Untooted

I'll bet we would like one another under different circumstances...

[ErnestoG]

67. Aesop? Ovid? Larry, Curly or Mo?

[MichiganVote]

9. Then you are making up your own rules Ernest....

Re DU rules....

(2. Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

[ErnestoG]

16. Then the DU rules are being ignored.

Because what I have seen levelled at Obama now for weeks has broken those rules a thousand times over.

Next?

[MichiganVote]

23. Everyone who signs on signs up for the rules as they exist. If you feel there is

a problem on a post, your responsibility is to alert, not just make up whatever suits you or me for that matter.

[ErnestoG]

41. This is a joke. Posts and entire threads that violate DU rules are a matter of regular course

here, especially when it comes to Obama. I know people here who gave up alerting after getting tired fingers.

[MichiganVote]

45. There really is no "especially" for either candidate.

[ErnestoG]

56. "Especially" because of the degree and number of anti-Obama attacks.

[MichiganVote]

68. No, don't try to distort my reality Ernest. Some very offensive posts on both Dem. candidates.

And really why? Is this board and its contents going to make a big difference with voters in Tx or Ohio? Hardly. So what I really see is a lot of frustration, tons of toothless trolls and rudeness among people who assume that a "process" requires this degree of nastiness.

Sorry for both candidates really. But I do not see where one candidate is any more a victim of bad posts on GD/P than any other.

And that will probably end out discussion but I thank you for your civility. Believe it or not Ernest, I do read the posts that you create that illuminate BO's positions. I respectfully decline to open the crappy posts on either candidate and frankly I think that many other people do too.

[ErnestoG]

71. Because this is PRIMARY SEASON.

Seriously, how many of these things have you seen? Is this your first ro-de-o?

[MichiganVote]

83. Nah....I'm older than dirt. But DU looks less like a discussion board

and more like a goat rodeo on steroids. Seems kind of dumb when the votes are not here but out there.

[NJmaverick]

17. Not making a rule, I am asking, for the good of the party/nation

That we refrain from self destructive behavior. I don't have the authority or inclination to make rules or give orders. I hope that our common desire, to see the Republicans go the way of the Whig party, would be enough to get all to agree to the request.

[ErnestoG]

24. Yes, I remember the DLC advancing that notion...

right before we Democrats had loss after election loss.

I applaud your intent, which is good, but if you are seriously suggesting we shouldn't advocate AND defend our candidate from nasty attacks, then I see you didn't learn a blessed thing from 2004 and the Swiftboaters debacle.

[NJmaverick]

35. WE shouldn't be the source of nasty attacks on a Dem

Remember the republicans have their man already picked. So they have ended their infighting and are all lining up behind McCain. The WORST thing we could do is help them attack the Dems, still runing. We don't have to give up supporting our candidate, just stop tearing down the other one.

[ErnestoG]

44. If YOU do not want to fight for your candidate, please remove that Obama graphic.

He will not win by you bending over for Hillary's buggy whip.

[Psephos]

42. It might be part of the process, but it's often in violation of the rules of this board

There's a difference between "attacking each others nomination candidates" and criticizing them.

It's not an attack to point out candidates' shortcomings, but it is to heap calumny upon them. I see the calumny-heaping a lot here, and it never changes a single person's mind - but it does lead to flame battles that wreck discourse.

Just sayin'...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

Section: Content
Subsectin: Democratic Candidates and the Democratic Party

Constructive criticism of Democrats or the Democratic Party is permitted. When doing so, please keep in mind that most of our members come to this website in order to get a break from the constant attacks in the media against our candidates and our values. Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks that echo the tone or substance of our political opponents are not welcome here.

You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party nominee for any political office. If you wish to work for the defeat of any Democratic candidate in any General Election, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website.

Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates. Supporters of certain other political parties may use Democratic Underground for limited partisan activities in political races where there is no Democratic Party candidate.

Do not post broad-brush smears against Democrats or the Democratic Party.

[ErnestoG]

75. Good luck parsing that out for the DU administration.

Because so far, they have allowed 95% of the hard ass attacks on both candidates. Judging from that, I guess 95% of them are not considered attacks but "criticisms".

[MichiganVote]

87. Or there is a limit to what volunteer moderators can really do. Personal restraint is possible.

[Bright Eyes]

5. My posts would never fit in at Free Republic....

as I spell words correctly and use punctuation. :evilgrin:

[zabet]

7. Practice what you preach.

[NJmaverick]

10. You mean like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4737155&mesg_id=4737155

or this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4745916&mesg_id=4745916

As I say in the first post, I readily admit to getting carried away and apologize. Will you honor my request?

[grantcart]

11. that is very rich

[Ian David]

8. Ping!

Just kidding.

[OzarkDem]

13. Good idea, here's another

Try to discuss issues when promoting your candidate.

[NJmaverick]

20. Absolutely

[XemaSab]

22. So we're not allowed to rip on McCain anymore?

:shrug:

[NJmaverick]

27. Ripping on McCain= GOOD// Ripping on Hillary or Obama= BAD

We need to focus on the enemy, not fight ammoung ourselves. Remember the GOP has their man and are forming behind him. We don't have to line up behind either one,yet, but we need to stop ripping our own.

[ErnestoG]

49. After the nomination, that will be the way it is.

What you arent getting is that BEFORE the nomination, ripping on each others candidate is part of the process to bang out our nominee. What is so hard to get about this?

Also consider that we are giving valuable training to whomever gets the Democratic nomination, for what they will be up against in the GE with Rethugs. This is NOT a bad thing!

[NJmaverick]

55. Honestly, what I think you are not getting is the repukes

Are done ripping on each other. They have now started uniting. How big of advantage that will be, is dependent on our own behavior. We can still compete in a positive and respectful manner or we can help the freepers by tearing our own down and giving them good arguements and info.

[ErnestoG]

60. The bare knuckle politics of the primary season is a GOOD thing

It is the crucible that forms our candidate to go into the GE, and hones their campaign skills so necessary for the fight. Do you honestly think the Rethugs are going to just hand their play book over here before they start?

[KAZ]

33. That was too good! I hope in this flurry of posts, your's ..

.. is not missed for a DUzy. Thanks for the laugh. We need it.

[surfermaw]

26. Right on

We don't need to use or condemn democrats, especially Bill Clinton whom many people consider to be one of the best in fact one of the five best presidents of all times, he isn't running for president.....

Now some of you get angry with Clinton because he wants his wife to win, but remember Hillary was such a promising person just out of college, that many of her P. in college and her friends thought she was giving up a promising life to marry Bill Clinton, many thought she would be a great judge, but no matter what was said she come on to Arkansas and married the young southern lawyer, it is my opinion that Bill Clinton in all probability would never have been President of the United States of America with out Hillary at his side,he probably told her he would let her have her time, and he is doing his best to do just that. You are only doing damage to your candidate, when you bash one of the 5 best president of all times, you are worse than republicans were bashing FDR.

[billyoc]

28. Request denied. I have no idea what would fit there, and I don't care. nt

[NJmaverick]

43. The freepers thank you for your response

They can't wait for 4 more years in power.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

47. It'll work itself out.

[NastyRiffraff]

62. I hope most people heed your request

There will be some, of course, who won't. They crave attention like my cat craves catnip. Some of them probably don't even support any candidate, they just want to tear down someone. I picture them as posting, hitting "My DU" every two minutes to see what kind of destruction they've began and how it's all going.

[AZ Criminal JD]

70. Follow your own advice

[NJmaverick]

79. You are that Nader supporter, that called me insane and stupid

I remember you. You are one of the people, the Dems need to be worried about. You are one of the people benefitting from the Dem's self destructive behavior.

[AZ Criminal JD]

86. Actually that is what you called me

Interesting you pulled down that post before you put this one up.

[cbayer]

76. Nicely said.

I really think it is the responsibility of supporters of both candidates to start reigning in their strays. And i thank you for attempting to do that.

It casts a bad light on all of you to have some of these people out there spewing their hate. And it certainly does not help your candidate.

I have seen some really nice examples of rather senior DU'ers openly confronting some people today. And it was people on their own team. And it gives me hope.

[cbayer]

82. Somebody please 'splain me

how this gets only two recs, but some flamebaiting piece of garbage will get 17 in 5 minutes.