Is it just me, or is DU being overrun by Hil-bots?

[mattclearing]

Don't get me wrong. People have every right to support Hillary, be new on the forum, and tell us all about how they feel. Those are all things that DU is here for.

It's just weird...like a lot of people are doing all three at once.

My point is, if you're new on the forum, and want to tell us about how great Hillary is, do us all (and yourself) a favor and explain your position and how you came to your decision.

"I picked my candidate based on paper, not TV," or, "Obamamania is stupid, Hillary all the way in 08!" do not help Hillary any more than "Change you can Xerox."

[NMMNG]

1. We're having an infestation, yes

Whether they're actually "Hill-bots", as you claim, is questionable.

[rodeodance]

9. So many positive threads for Hillary get infected by obamapuppies doing their thing.

[mattclearing]

17. Like the opposite isn't true? n/t

[rodeodance]

26. I see so few of ProObama as most of late are anti-Hilliary. beside, since the OP

was addressing Hill supporters I responded like I did.

[Political Heretic]

37. You see what you want to see.

[rodeodance]

I see clearly--as I am not affected by the SWOON

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37. You see what you want to see.

[Political Heretic]

50. I see clearly too. But we have different contexts which influnce our perspectives.

I certainly think there are some bad obama fans here who get way out of line, and if you check my post history, you'll see that I spend a lot of my time defending Hillary from that kind of crap. Shocking I know.

But I'm also not so blind or one sided that I can see the fact that there are bad behaviors on both sides, there are swooning fans on both sides, there are fanatics on both sides and there are haters on both sides.

Sitting around and arguing about which side has more or less is such a stupid exercise in subjective, indeterminate biased opinion (on either side) that it is an extraordinary waste of time.

[KhaOZ]

51. Obviously not

[mattclearing]

60. See my post #52.

I decided it would be best to explain myself rather than appear a hypocrite, but at the same time, I didn't want to muddle the gist of my OP with my reasons for supporting Obama over Hillary.

[Muzza]

42. Educate me

What's a "hill-bot" as compared with an "obama-bot"? Besides the obvious. What characterizes a "hill-bot"?

[NMMNG]

117. You allegedly support Hillary

Figure it out for yourself.

[lligrd]

2. I Hadn't Noticed

:sarcasm:

[Bluebear]

3. Oh for corn sake, yes, there is no Obama-fan behavior like you describe.

:eyes:

[Johnny__Motown]

4. the straw poll has her support here around 20%. maybe they are just more "vocal" (desperate)

[rodeodance]

6. silly, most Hillary folk do not respond to those binary divisive polls here on DU. your

numbers are way off.

[Window]

27. I think they do respond.

It's just that the Obama supporters out-number Hillary supporters.

[rodeodance]

34. and you are in the know about Hillary supporter?

[Political Heretic]

54. Not any more or less than you are.

You don't speak for anyone but yourself.

[rodeodance]

57. Hey---they are my sisters. Sisters are in the know.

[Johnny__Motown]

I have numbers to support my claim, do you.... NO... just like Hillary, no substance

[rodeodance]

55. you taking about those phony polls again?

[Johnny__Motown]

61. it is all we have, can you do better?

didn't think so

[rodeodance]

65. too bad.

[Johnny__Motown]

77. Good point, clearly you have a firm grasp on reality. Good luck to you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4620129&mesg_id=4620129

[rodeodance]

79. part of reality is not to believe silly DU polls.

[Johnny__Motown]

80. Why would Clinton supporters not participate? This is "pie in the sky" thinking

Quite a few people did participate.

It seems unreasonable that one side would have substantially fewer participants than the other.

Well, I can see why you support Clinton, You simply beleive whatever you want without reason or evidence.

Have a nice life and good luck to you (TROLL)

[rodeodance]

83. WHY are you calling me a troll?

80. Why would Clinton supporters not participate? This is "pie in the sky" thinking

Quite a few people did participate.

It seems unreasonable that one side would have substantially fewer participants than the other.

Well, I can see why you support Clinton, You simply beleive whatever you want without reason or evidence.

Have a nice life and good luck to you (TROLL)

[rodeodance]

5. you are funny.

[mattclearing]

8. I aim to please.

:)

[rodeodance]

13. oops--I forgot my sarcasm icon for last post.

[alphafemale]

7. This straw poll has remained at about 20% for Hillary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4620129


The Hillary supporters are just more strident.

[rodeodance]

12. and to you " silly, most Hillary folk do not respond to those binary divisive polls here "

[alphafemale]

22. Apparently they don't participate in those binary divisive primaries and caucuses either.

rodeodance excuse #344,116 meet lame.

[mattclearing]

28. Ouch. n/t

[rodeodance]

31. you got an ouie??

[MADem]

15. Ahhh, Strident. One of those amusing words. Like shrill.

:eyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImOSZ-ar8Hk

[alphafemale]

30. I cant help it. I'm in a "Cult"

Roll eyes right back atcha.

:eyes:

[MADem]

70. Ah, the "Wimmen Hater's" Cult, eh?

[Forkboy]

10. It's overrun by idiots on both sides.

[Trajan]

20. Hear Hear ....

I support both candidates ...

I see assholes on both sides ....

[rodeodance]

11. Since when does a Hillary supporter need a lecture from you?

My point is, if you're new on the forum, and want to tell us about how great Hillary is, do us all (and yourself) a favor and explain your position and how you came to your decision.

[mattclearing]

14. Lecture? I think I kept it brief.

At least as brief as some of the drive-by flamebait I've seen that inspired this thread.

[rodeodance]

18. i don't how brief it is--you are trying to tell Hillary supports what to do.

[rodeodance]

16. Youp post is like so many others--mocking putting down supporters. Get a grip!

......"I picked my candidate based on paper, not TV," or, "Obamamania is stupid, Hillary all the way in 08!"

[mattclearing]

21. My grip is firm.

I'm kinda amazed that you're the only person up in arms over this. I guess all the other Hillary people have gone to bed.

[rodeodance]

29. then lighten up and stop whining.

[mattclearing]

Whining? And you talk about words like "shrill"?

And I'm in a good mood. Like I said, it's just weird, how Hillary promises a turnaround, and suddenly there are 527's forming, and new people coming on to preach the Hillary way to people on DU, as if anyone here hasn't made up their mind by this point. It reeks of the same bad strategy that's been happening this whole campaign.

[rodeodance]

36. Shrill is a word applied to many H. supporters and Hillary herself. Where you been?

[mattclearing]

62. Yeah, I know.

Duh.

[rodeodance]

39. post 35 just showed up--its an obamafolk using the word shrill.

The further behind your candidate, the more shrill and spammy the supporters

[Political Heretic]

59. Yes, I use the words shrill and spammy to describe Obama and Clinton supporters

...when their candidate is behind.

Of course, leave it to a Clinton supporter to distort the truth by speaking half-lies and then cry "victim" about it.

My post said: "the further behind YOUR CANDIDATE (that would be whatever candidate) the more shrill and spammy the supporters.....on either side. A few months ago, Clinton supporters were asking the same questions about us."

Try not to lie by omission next time. :hi:

[rodeodance]

69. You missed the point--OP was saying that H> folks did.

[rodeodance]

40. too bad. your're whining about some new H. supporters coming on line-then you

lecture them on how they are how describe themselves.

Get real.

[Qanisqineq]

19. why?

why do they need to do all that? Are the new Obama supporters expected to do the same? Are they to share their "conversion stories"?

And the crap many Obama supporters (no, I didn't say all or even most) spew doesn't help Obama either.

Pick on both sides or are you so blinded by your hatred of Hillary that you don't see the Obama supporters posting shit?

I have never claimed that there are not Hillary supporters (Hil-bots, as you so tastefully put it :sarcasm:) that do not post crap. I am sick of people not seeing that it is COMING FROM BOTH FUCKING SIDES.

[mattclearing]

25. They don't need to do it.

But I might take them seriously if they do.

[Qanisqineq]

33. I might take Obama supporters seriously

if they would take notice of the fact that there are a shitload of posts out there that are hateful towards Hillary. I've seen too many of you say, "but Obama supporters don't lie, Obama supporters don't post nasty things about HRC, Obama supporters only discuss policies, Obama supporters are all about unity."

[mattclearing]

52. I didn't post anything nasty about Hillary.

In fact, I just defended her over the 12 year old thing in another thread.

I'll tell you some reasons why I support Obama over Hillary.

1. I don't think a mandatory health care plan is a positive thing. It seems like something the industry thought up, tailored to make sure their profits continue, rather than getting the best price for care for the people at large. The problem with the health care industry is that it's too expensive (and not even justifiably so), not that people aren't being forced to buy it. Obama acknowledges this obvious point.

2. She voted for the IWR, but seems to think that it wasn't a vote for giving the authority to Bush for a war. If you read the IWR, it's hard to conclude anything other than she either didn't read it, or thinks we are stupid. Either is unacceptable. Meanwhile, Obama was out speaking to protesters like myself while everyone else with presidential aspirations was trying to cover their asses with a yea vote.

3. Hillary's rationale seems to be that she's going to tell us what we want. It's the same thing as the LBJ comment, like somehow the civil rights movement totally depended on a President to ratify their efforts. She thinks change comes from politicians, that we need people like her to tell us how it's going to be. This is 2008. Candidates can't tell us what to think anymore through the media, because anyone with a blog can tell them to fuck off. Only a candidate that understands that and wants to help people achieve their own goals, not dictate them, is going to get my support. Obama has made it clear that he wants to help people get involved in their own government again, and if you read his Blueprint for Change, empowerment is the cornerstone of his candidacy.

I was a big Bill Clinton supporter, and I stood in line for hours for an autographed copy of his book and a handshake. I have a lot of respect for Hillary, but I don't agree with her on several critical issues. I'm sure she would make a better president than she does a candidate, but bad candidates generally don't get the job.

[Adams Wulff]

58. We were expected to do the same

and we did. We shared our stories. We were asked to provide policy when the "empty suit" accusations were all the rage. We provided links, but they weren't good enough (because the mouse was hard to move and click).

So we copied and pasted reams of documents of policy and platforms. OOHH! that's against DU rules!!

Hillary supporters don't want to read.

Hillary supporters don't want to listen.

Hillary supporters don't want to know, despite their constant barrage of questions asking the opposite.

Then you insist that we "court" you to support the Democratic Nominee.


Please.:crazy:

[JimGinPA]

23. They Are An Overly Vocal Minority Here...

Based on the evidence of all the polls that keep popping up.

[rodeodance]

32. We compete well.

[JimGinPA]

43. Spam Is Not "Competition" - Just A Waste Of Time & Space

[rodeodance]

44. yes sure had a lot of " Just A Waste Of Time & Space" from Obamafolk last few months.

[Political Heretic]

66. And you'll have a lot more, including many if not most hillary supporters - in a couple weeks.

When he is the Democratic nominee.

[rodeodance]

72. Obamabubblespek.

[JimGinPA]

49. Well, We'll Still Be Talking About Obama Until November & Hillary Will Just Be History

[emilyg]

24. It's just you.

I find the opposite true.

[Skittles]

38. yes

it started out even, now it's a non-stop bash-Hillary-fest :puke:

[mattclearing]

67. Sorry to hear it, I've not been around as much lately.

I just came on and saw a lot of the posts that I described in the OP and didn't know what to make of it. I don't have a real problem with Hillary, but I prefer Obama for the reasons I stated in post 52.

[mattclearing]

68. delete dupe

[Political Heretic]

74. I think I've done my share of defending hillary. But if you don't think there is an equivalent..

..amount of Obama bashing and trashing threads and anti-Obama posts I think you're seeing only what you want to see.

The real problem is the fringe of posters on either side who turn this place into a sewer instead of discussing substantive issues.

Anyway, time for my nightly scan of the forum for any more Obamite Police Actions I need to dish out. :)

[Skittles]

89. I said there USED to be

now it is unbelievable, the amount of garbage I see on DU and the glee at her downfall - disgusting; they clearly have fogotten who the enemy is

[Political Heretic]

35. The further behind your candidate, the more shrill and spammy the supporters

On either side.

A few months ago, Clinton supporters were asking the same questions about us.

[Muzza]

41. Likewise

Well I am new, and a Hillary supporter and I guess I could ask the same question of you? Why do you support Barack Obama? Maybe you have already been through that a million times before, I don't know. Is there any reason I have to justify my presence on this forum by satisfactorily articulating the nature of my support for Hillary Clinton?

[mattclearing]

73. See my post #52.

Those are a handful of the reasons why I support Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton, who I respect and think would make a decent president, certainly much better than any Republican I know of.

[Raine]

45. Desperation is in the air nt

[rodeodance]

76. get some fresh air.

[Raine]

82. LOL ...

actually that's a good idea! :D :hi:

[rodeodance]

86. for me also:-)

[arcos]

46. Judging from the amount of "Hillary is unhinged", "Hillary is crazy", "Hillary is a bitch"...

No.

Although I did notice a spike in Hill-bots a couple of weeks ago, when things were more even, nowadays I just see a huge spike in anti-Hillary rhetoric.

Now I just see unfair and unjustified attacks against Hillary. (and I'm not Hillary supporter)

[Bluebear]

48. "Wifey" - "Hysterical" - "Post-menopausal"

I saw those little gems just the past day.

[rodeodance]

53. within an hour those threads can pop up and then they have an orgasm amongst

themselves.

[mattclearing]

56. That kind of stuff has no place here on DU.

Back when I spent more time on here, it would be deleted. Hillary is a Democrat, worthy of our respect and support in many ways. I prefer Obama, but stuff like that is more suited to that other forum.

[Political Heretic]

64. That stuff was completely out of line and I said so about ten different times....

...during that period when those threads were coming one after another.

Oh and you forgot the "is hillary going through Menopause / is that why she's acting crazy" thread starter and the "is hillary mentally ill" guy. :eyes:

So fricken lame.

[rodeodance]

81. Thank you for doing that.

[MADem]

78. This shit REALLY pissed 'em off, too.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/77643/

That's the real reason for the latest agita.

[mattclearing]

97. That made me feel ill.

And I'm a big fan of 30 Rock. Add Tina Fey to my list of people supporting Hillary who appear to have no idea what they are talking about.

[MADem]

107. No sense of humor, eh? I'll bet you were rolling in the aisles when

Obama appeared on SNL in the Halloween skit...you know, the one where Hillary's costume was the one that ... er...rhymed with "BITCH?" (And that word HAS been reclaimed, thanks to Ms. Fey...it's more along the BEING IN TOTAL CONTROL of HERSELF meaning--empowering, strong!).

:rofl:

It's a problem for you, you know, when you can dish it out but you can't take it.

The woman made perfect sense to me--but then, she usually does. I'll not argue with Ms. Fey.

[LeftCoast]

47. Why?

Why do you (and others) have to be so divisive?

[mattclearing]

87. Divisive?

I'm not the person walking in here off of Yahoo smearing a candidate.

[LeftCoast]

104. You're attacking an entire group of DUers

And you're basing your behavior on what some troll did. Good job.

[mattclearing]

109. I didn't say the T-word.

And I didn't attack a whole group of DU'ers...I questioned the sincerity and motives of people coming in off of Yahoo and Google posting weak smears on Obama/cheers on Hillary.

If you look at the OP, and several of my other posts, I've made it clear that I respect Hillary and most of people who support her. My problem is that I don't like volunteers and campaign workers flooding forums with spam, and you see it all over the Internet.

[flyarm]

63. 30 + nasty posts on greatest right now by obamabots about hillary

i am not talking regular campaign stuff and realistic stuff..but i am talking nasty..mean and nasty posts by obamabots..

get real

this crap doesn't pass the bullshit test any longer.

[rodeodance]

75. OP should educate himself before spouting off.

[NastyRiffraff]

71. Explain your position?

Since when do we demand that someone new to DU do that? Or is that only true for Hillary's supporters?

Geez, tinfoil hat time! First, it was a post "connecting" Hillary's speech, Nader's announcement and Farragham's endorsement. Somehow "The Clinton's" are supposed to be responsible for the latter two. Now this.

New members, whomever you support, welcome. You don't have to "explain your position." Understand that things are a bit heated here these days, and some people are scar...er...wary.

[mattclearing]

85. To be fair...

...I explained mine in post 52.

[NastyRiffraff]

93. That doesn't give you the right to imply that others must explain theirs. n/t

[mattclearing]

95. I didn't say they must.

Only that it would be nice if people qualified their support so I can know if they have a point or not.

[ButterflyBlood]

84. Don't worry, they'll all be cleaned out soon

Once Obama finally kicks Hillary's ass and takes her behind the woodshed for good and becomes our nominee, all Hillary supporters will be forced to get behind Obama and toe the line, or be tombstoned. There will be blood, and it won't be of Obama supporters.

[mattclearing]

88. That picture is cruel, and probably unfair, but...

I'd find it hard to smile in that guy's presence, so it definitely says something.

[rodeodance]

103. that response is typical of the holier-than-thou Obama supporter on this forum!

[mattclearing]

106. Could you be caught dead smiling within ten feet of George W. Bush? n/t

[rodeodance]

100. You should be ASHAMED of yourself for writing such garbage!

84. Don't worry, they'll all be cleaned out soon

Once Obama finally kicks Hillary's ass and takes her behind the woodshed for good and becomes our nominee, all Hillary supporters will be forced to get behind Obama and toe the line, or be tombstoned. There will be blood, and it won't be of Obama supporters.

[southlandshari]

115. What the fuck?

This is easily the most ridiculous post I've ever read on DU.

And I was a LOUNGE MODERATOR for nearly a year.

:wow:

[southlandshari]

90. Nah, just idiots who use words like "Hil-bots"

[Guava Jelly]

91. Bravo!

:applause:
And I am rooting for the other guy.
People need to gtfu

[mattclearing]

94. I didn't call anyone an idiot or tell them to gtfu. n/t

[Guava Jelly]

98. My response wasn't just pointed toward you

It was aimed at the word Hil-bot
I see tons of this shit here obamababies ,Hillhounds,yada yada
Childish names are what freepers and children use.
We are supposed to be adults here

[mattclearing]

102. Sorry, didn't mean it that way.

I don't like insubstantial posts from Obama supporters either, in fact, I like them even less so, because it re-inforces the baseless knock that he lacks substance.

My problem was the fact that I see a lot of suspicious posts from new folks that seem devoid of discussion value and tailor-made to make it appear that people everywhere are all about Hillary.

[Guava Jelly]

108. Many of the "hil-bots" you speak of have been members of DU for years

and are clearly not campaign hacks.
I disagree with many of them on Mrs.Clinton but that doesn't stop me from treating them with respect.
And yes there may be a few who are working on various campaigns on both sides this is a political board after all.
Sometimes when I see a thread I disagree with I just let it go because if you think about it people on both sides are just preaching to their own choir.
And are converting no one.
Skinner should rename this general discussion:blowing off steam

[southlandshari]

110. Well said

:applause:

[Guava Jelly]

118. Thank you

:D

[mattclearing]

112. My OP specified "new."

I don't have a problem with frequent, casual, or long-time DU'ers who support Hillary, or at least, I didn't before I posted this thread. :)

[mattclearing]

92. As if such things didn't happen? Perhaps the term I chose is unfortunate.

People infiltrate forums with propaganda all the time. It's a legitimate question. I'm not saying every person that is new and supports Hillary is working for her campaign or a 527. But if you look at some of the comments sections of major newspapers and here on DU, it's clear that there is an effort to shape opinion that doesn't sound very genuine or well-thought out.

[southlandshari]

96. The term you chose

put you in the same e-gutter with those of whom you speak.

I am not and never will be a supporter of Hillary Clinton. But I will never stoop to calling her supporters silly names like "Hil-bot".

It's stupid. And idiotic.

Why do you do it?

:shrug:

[mattclearing]

99. It's not the supporters.

I tried to make that point in the OP. It's the people that come on here that are clearly either volunteers or campaign mouthpieces. Hence the term. There are a lot of people with perfectly legitimate reasons for supporting Hillary, and I don't have a problem with that. I just don't like nonsense cheerleading posts clogging up things...I don't like it when Obama people do it either, but when I logged on, what I saw was Hillary people doing it.

[southlandshari]

105. Give DUers more credit

If campaign mouthpieces from any camp are here peddling propaganda (and they obviously are), they are wasting valuable time and resources. Think about it. Undecided voters are few and far between on political message boards.

These people and their ridiculously transparent threads are best left alone. You called it exactly right - these are "nonsense cheerleading posts".

Don't let them drive you down to their level.

;)

[mattclearing]

111. You are right.

I wanted to balk at campaign spam, but I suppose I ended up flame-baiting all Hillary supporters. That wasn't my intention.

[southlandshari]

113. I understand. I get frustrated and lash out, too

I even call nice people idiots sometimes.

Or worse.

:hide:

[AtomicKitten]

101. It's the current wave.

[eridani]

114. If you actually cared, you could do a statistical analysis of last month's posts n/t

[Zachstar]

116. The Clinton DU forum was almost dead some time ago.

I hope everyone here understands that this is a temp movement by agenda filled punks (In my view as in my view that the good Clinton supporters had their say and have accepted defeat so that they can start on supporting her for 2012)

When Obama wins (Hopefully) I expect that a whole lot of registered users will no longer have anything to post about and will leave DU. A great many of those in my view punks who suddenly signed up to try to do as much damage as they could and leave.

In my view. Many of these so called Clinton supporters are actually other people in disguise. They could care less about Clinton and her future (which in my view she is rapidly destroying with this desperation) For in my view they want to push their agendas such as republican dominance or white supremacy or ageism or classism or severe sexism etc in my view. In my view when they realize their sick campaign of destruction will fail they will vanish and DU can finally have a chance to pull itself together again.

There are also bad Obama supporters, However, In my view the VAST majority of his supporters are in it for real reasons and truly care about the leader. The crap they have had to endure from these punks is at extreme levels and I hope they will have the energy afterwards to endure the Republican attack force.

Hang in there yall. Their reign of destruction in my view will SOON be over. Make sure Texas and Ohio know that we support Obama! And that their support will finally end this!

Clinton indicated before this desperation that she can handle the loss. Let us hope she will go out gracefully.