Hillary's caustic screaming will get her no where

[TheDonkey]

Just watched Meet the Press and saw the "negative mode" Hillary and it was awful. She was at a press conference shrieking into the microphone "SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA!" then they cut to a rally "FOOL ME ONCE!!!" it was completely unflattering and actually hurt my ears.

What does she think she is doing? Is this going to motivate people, excite people, get people united to vote for her and build the party??? The answer seems like a resounding no but I guess we will see March 4th.

I do not know if I can put much faith in supporting her if she tries to run a general election campaign like that either. It is very grating and unmotivating. Yikes.

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[soothsayer]

1. Apparently men hear their mothers yelling at them whenever Hillary raises her voice

hoo boy

[cali]

5. That's what the awful Cokie Roberts just said

on Morning Edition.

[liberalnurse]

9. No they don't....

Men only respond to on thing.............sex.:eyes: That's why the insurance companies pay for Viagra and not birth control for women...

Their mothers can call til the cows come home....only sex will motivate.

[Zachstar]

25. Sexist much liberalnurse?

Shame on you!

[liberalnurse]

31. No, not at all.

The sexist attacks on Hillary are abusive. Men, well, scientific documentation supports my statement. Men can have an erection every hour and/or if functionally impaired, have the arousal scent triggered in their thoughts.

[Zachstar]

35. Your comment was a sexist one do you publicly deny that?

[Muzza]

19. Yeah, so it's rooted in sexism.

[polichick]

39. More like, it's rooted in reality...

It's a simple fact that many mothers, teachers and wives do a lot of lecturing. Some women would also have uncomfortable feelings about a male candidate who came across as bossy or demanding because of associations with fathers, teachers, bosses or husbands.

[polichick]

23. Supposedly, a mother, teacher or wife lecturing them...

Hillary's is the "voice of civilization." NPR did a piece this weekend on the tenor of voices and said that about her, after playing part of a stump speech. Obama sounds like a preacher, according to the guest, and McCain's voice sounds old.

[stahbrett]

37. If not their mother, then their ex-wife

A friend of mine who has been in town for a few days mentioned that when Hillary is in angry mode he's mentally transported back to his first marriage, which had his wife at the time sounding very similar to what Hillary sounds like.

[southlandshari]

2. Neither will yours

Ouch.

My e-ears hurt. You used the term "grating" in your OP.

I know what you mean.

:cry:

[Muzza]

3. Sexist

Once again we see the demonization of a woman when she expresses anger and passion. How was her behavior "unflattering"? Unflattering to whom? Was her anger unjustified? Would Obama not also have a right to be angry if Clinton was actively misrepresenting Obama's policies? Would you demonize him in the same way if he expressed anger in the same circumstances? Would you refer to his behavior as "unflattering"? Think about it.

[TheDonkey]

6. If Obama got up and started ranting about Hillary I would also be offended

So far I have not seen anything like what Hillary has been doing match up to what Obama has been doing. Do you have any clips?

It is not sexist, it is the truth. Please stop trying to hide behind the sex card and listen to some of the toxic words coming from her mouth. It is bad for this campaign and bad for America.

I was not happy when Obama got into that "just words" rant that was ripped from Patrick because he was acting like a bully too so it does go both ways but even then he was shouting "JUST WORDS HILLARY CLINTON!!!" or going over the top like she has been.

[cali]

4. You may not mean to, but you come off as sexist when you use

such language.

[TheDonkey]

8. I've seen many women debate over the years. Nothing sexist here

People in 2004 bashed Kerry for his voice and it was declared "sexist".

I've seen many women debate and not come across as so caustic and unhinged. The mocking, the yelling, the posturing is NOT presidential at all. It looks like something out of Saturday Night Live.

[Muzza]

20. It's HUMAN

Hillary Clinton like everyone else is a human being. Human beings get angry, they express outrage, they argue. This is normal behavior. Why is the president of the USA not allowed to show such emotion? That's what I don't understand. Her willingness to display emotion is one of the reasons she attacts me and draws me in. In contrast, I don't feel that with Obama. I don't connect with him. I don't see his struggle expressed in a way that I can relate to. When Hillary get's angry, I am like "yeah, I know how you feel".

[liberal N proud]

7. Which is true

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4756264

[Unbowed]

10. Screaming didn't go over well for Howard Dean either.

And IMO, his scream was a positive thing taken completely out of context by the media. It was a cheer to inspire his supporters. But the point is, the perception was that of his being somewhat unraveled and it hurt him.

Hillary's screaming, on the other hand, was not positive. She likened her Democratic opponent's campaign to that of to Karl Rove.

There is a huge difference between running a tough campaign and going off on your opponent. Hillary Clinton blew it. After she loses the nomination, she's going to see that clip of her played over and over and over. And frankly, she deserves it.

Nice legacy, Senator Clinton.

[Muzza]

14. Do you know what screaming is?

She didn't scream.

[TheDonkey]

16. Please watch a clip of her raving from MTP. It was screaming.

I was shocked. It was full out shouting. If you were standing in front of her and she was "saying" that how would you describe it? Chatting?? I'd like to know.

[Muzza]

18. How & why did it offend you? I didn't offend me.

[liberalnurse]

38. Just get honest

you were Never ever shocked. Not by the least. I believe you could be fibbing.

[WinkyDink]

33. Shouting isn't screaming. Being loud isn't necessarily "making a long, loud piercing

cry, as in pain."

[Unbowed]

22. A scream or a yell, that is the question? n/t

[democrattotheend]

29. Thank you!

I've been saying this for the past day and a half. The media ruined Dean for screaming over an enthusiastic crowd, yet somehow criticizing HRC for going off on an angry tirade is somehow sexist. I don't blame her for being frustrated, but I think her ranting made her look unpresidential and unappealing. It almost feels like she is lashing out because she is resentful of Obama for getting in the way of what she feels is rightfully her turn to be the nominee. It's hard to blame her for that, since she has spent years preparing for this and Obama came out of nowhere. I guess it would be the way someone would feel if they worked hard at a company for a few years, kissed all the right asses, made the right connections, and then got passed over for a promotion by someone six months out of college. She has the right to be resentful, although of course, if the presidency were a job you applied for with a resume, Bill Richardson or Joe Biden or Chris Dodd would probably be our nominee.

[Unbowed]

40. The media wants a knock-down drag-out.

They also want it to go to the Dem Convention.

They don't care about anything as much as a juicy story.

[rox63]

11. In contrast, Obama almost always keeps his cool

Honestly, I've never seen him lose his cool in public, and I've watch a lot of his speeches online and on teevee. It points to him being more likely to remain calm and cool during a crisis.

[polichick]

26. imo, man or woman, you're more effective if you can stay calm. nt

[Muzza]

12. ?

"Caustic screaming"....interesting....she was angry and passionate and that's caustic screaming? Please explain yourself.

[TheDonkey]

15. watch her ranting. She did not explain what she was upset about just shouted an ultimatum

"MEET ME IN OHIO!!!"

and for the mocking, again, she mentioned no issues other than mocked him and ridiculed people working together.

[TheDonkey]

13. Let's get real

If Obama was saying the same thing that Hillary was doing in this negative offensive people would be going crazy calling him "angry" a "bully" etc etc. Don't try to say it is sexist that some people are calling her out on that raving and unhinged tactics.

Howard Dean was also criticized for being "angry" and whether America was ready for an "angry" president blah blah blah. Now we have a new angry candidate and people are not allowed to mention it. She needs to stop.

[Muzza]

17. Not allowed to mention it?

As if! Everyone mentions it. There are no barriers to critiqing Clinton. She's fair game in all respects and always has been. The issue here is:

1. the language used to describe her behavior - often the language is sexist, mysogynst in nature
2. the assumption that anger is a BAD thing - anger is what gets people to ACT - it depends what you believe - some say they are mobilized into action because "they saw the light" (hope theory) while others say there are mobilized to act because "they feel the heat") (anger/fear theory). Who is to say which is better?

[WinkyDink]

34. Because there is nothing to be "angry" about, right? We're back in the Land of the Soccer Moms Who

Must Not Be Upset.

[sendero]

21. She's driving a stake..

... through the heart of the vestiges of her campaign.

She figures she's got nothing to lose and she's right. What she will figure out soon is that she's got nothing to gain either. Most people will be turned off by her phony-assed "shame on you" nonsense. It's ridiculous, and I'd bet any amount that the campaign materials she's complaining about are as accurate as her characterizations of Obama's positions.

I can't WAIT until March 4.

[Independent-Voter]

36. Couldn't happen to a better person - good to see people seeing Clinton for who she is

Her entire campaign has been a trainwreck from the start. I'm glad to see her running it into the ground, and hope she keeps this up until the convention.

[Perry Logan]

24. Who knew hope and change could be so ad hominem and dyspeptic?

[QC]

27. Or that unity could be so divisive? n/t

[southlandshari]

30. sad

but true.

:(

[Cameron27]

44. yep

[Jawja]

28. She xeroxed

George W. Bush's "Fool me once, shame on....shame on....You can't get fooled again!" :shrug:

[QC]

32. I had to get Mamaw to come change the channel!

I would rather listen to Bawock! He sounds just like Brother Billy Joe at church!

[IndianaGreen]

41. I love the video of Hillary singing about "Heavenly choirs."

She turns off voters everytime they play that clip.

[backscatter712]

42. There's a reason why she gets called Shrillary.

Her mad schoolmarm mode is like nails on a chalkboard. She didn't look even close to Presidential - She just looked like the obnoxious mother-in-law who's constantly nagging you.

[LostinVA]

43. Oh, there's a reason, alright

:eyes: