We as Democrats had better start focusing on why Nader is running

[liberal N proud]

We are all busy attacking and counter attacking each others candidates when we should keep our eyes on the finish line.

Nader ran in 2000, although we know Gore won, with Nader siphoning votes, it put things close enough they could tamper with the election.

Nader did nothing said nothing endorsed no one in 2004? (I stand corrected, he did run in 04 but I don't recall seeing any news on him at the time)


Suddenly here we are in 2008, No incumbent, no VP running in the republicon party and guess what Ralphie wants to do? Run for President. WTF?

This fucker is just screwing with our future and we had better do something about it today because it could be 2000 all over again.

[Occam Bandage]

1. Okay. Because he's an egomaniacal fuckhead. Back to attacking each other. He ran in '04, btw.

[CK_John]

2. He is running to pad his nestegg with matching funds like he does every 4 yrs. n/t

[vi5]

3. He's a non factor...

He was in 2000 but in 2004 he got nothing and had no noticeable impact. We shouldn't spend too much time worrying about him.

He'd get taken more seriously if in the intervening 4 years between elections he was doing anything to build up third party strength. Hell at this point if he had been doing that I'D even consider voting for him given my disillusionment. But he just shows up for 4 months every couple of years on this quixotic effort to get the limelight and have people fuss over him and complain and then he dissapears from the public eye.

Anyone voting for him at this point would not be voting for a democrat anyway.

[rainy]

4. Nader ran in 04. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

5. ...because he's an egomaniacal fucktard? nt

[cali]

6. nader got under 1/2 percent in 2004. Why the hell should we worry

about him? he's irrelevant.

[BobRossi]

7. Same reason he ran last time.

To take the Birkenstock from the Dems.

[TechBear_Seattle]

8. Nader did NOT syphon votes

The National Committee admitted this. A leading party official -- I don't recall the name, sorry, but he was a member of the Democratic National Committee and was speaking for the DNC -- pointed out out that most Nader voters would not have voted at all if he had not been in the race, and that election fraud in Ohio and Florida more than offset the effect of Nader's candidacy. But don't let facts get in the way of a good scapegoating.

Your subject line is correct, however: Democrats had damned well better focus on why Nader is running, and why so many progressives WANT him to run. Maybe the party could learn something about how it is viewed by those it claims as its base.

[gravity]

9. Because there is no difference between the dems and repubs

The dude really is crazy

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[liberal N proud]

11. What the hell are you doing on Democratic Underground if

as you say Ralphie has your vote????????????????????????????????????????????????


I shall ignore your threads from this point forward for you are not a valid part of this forum

[NotGivingUp]

spoken like a true repuke.

[liberal N proud]

18. WOW!

You sure missed that one

[angie_love]

12. And the fucker has been talking to the media and spreading lies about Barack

God can someone please put a MUZZLE on that asshole?

[tabasco]

13. To suck up some more paychecks from the republicans.

Seems pretty obvious to me.

[LynneSin]

14. Why Ralph Nadar is running - because he's a bloated head egomaniac

nuff said!

[Ganja Ninja]

15. The reason you had trouble remembering him from 2004 is he ...

was a non-factor then and he'll be a non-factor this time around as well.

[CitizenRob]

16. Awesome, I have my "If Hillary Is The Nominee" back-up plan.

Thank fucking god. If Hillary gets the nomination after that fucked up attempt to smear Obama I can vote for somebody that actually does support what I believe in.

[TooBigaTent]

17. He says he is running because neither remaining Democrat is running as a progressive.

Whether one believes that is his "real" reason is irrelevant.

In the same way that BO is appealing to those who do not want to fight the republics on issues, Ralphie is appealing to those who think that the GOP must not be allowed to continue to run things, even if it is through their surrogate BO or HC.

If you believe that BO will bring everyone together in some center-right coalition of corporate expediency, then by all means, support him.

But please do not denegrate those who truly feel that neither Dem is representing traditional Democratic ideals. We looked for a progressive and anyone with even a slight liberal message was pushed out. So we are left with a choice between two DLCers (one open and one hidden). That is just not good enough, especially when this could have been a real opportunity for a major, liberal reversal of this country's path.

Worship the message of naive hope. Slightly less disastrous is the adoration of the registered DLCer.

But neither of these pretenders will do anything other than continue of the rightward slide of the party and the country as a whole.