Is election theft an issue this year?

[GreenPartyVoter]

Feel free to explain your vote. :)

[TexasObserver]

1. Yes. Republicans will always try to steal the election in any possible way.

[NJSecularist]

2. Is the sky blue?

Election theft is always an issue as long as the Repugs are still an official party.

[GreenPartyVoter]

16. That's how I feel as well

[Johnny__Motown]

3. Maybe, a 60-40 election is harder to steal than a 52-48 election

[GreenPartyVoter]

17. I dunno. I don't feel as hopeful on that count

[Johnny__Motown]

34. I exaggerated to make the point, I'm not convinced it will be 60-40

[SteppingRazor]

4. I believe that a total routing cannot be stolen.

If our candidate were to crush McCain by large numbers and in every area of the country, it can't be stolen. Election results aren't the only recording of how people voted. There are independent exit polls, and if those show a massive discrepancy between exit polls and election results, it becomes a huge story.

Yes, there was some discrepancy in exit polls/election results in 2004, but it was, at the very least, an extremely close race. Close enough to steal, and leave all the pundits going, "Huh, well, our polls must be off by a couple points, becuase no one could ever steal an election ... right?"

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. I dunno. I feel "they" have been screwing with exit polls too. (Like the way they discredited them)

[SteppingRazor]

8. It's one thing to discredit exit polls that are off by a couple points.

It's another thing entirely to discredit a 10- or 15-point swing in precincts across the country. That dog won't hunt, as they say.

[GreenPartyVoter]

18. What if they ban exit polls altogether somehow?

[AndyTiedye]

10. They Have Already Taken Care of the Exit Poll Problem

Election results aren't the only recording of how people voted. There are independent exit polls, and if those show a massive discrepancy between exit polls and election results, it becomes a huge story.

You mean the way they did in 2004, when the exit polls showed Kerry winning.

Oh wait. They changed the exit poll results late on election night. End of story.

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. I remember that and BOY was I ticked off!

[backscatter712]

5. GOTV!!! They can only steal so much.

In most elections, they can only change the count by 7-8% without causing too much of a stink. If they steal too many votes, everyone will call shenanigans and they'll get busted.

So we've got to get out the vote. The more people voting, and the more of a landslide we can win by, means the more likely that we'll get a clear victory even in the face of election theft tactics.

[autorank]

7. It is an issue in every election...not just the general.

The Department of Justice meddles in elections

http://electionfraudnews.com/MichaelCollins.htm">The past 3 years

and just one aspect of election fraud, E-Voting problems, has been known in detail since 1988.

Institute for Computer Sciences and Technology - National Bureau of Standards

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. Absolutely!

[IndianaGreen]

12. Election theft is always an issue

We shouldn't rely on electronic voting at all!

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. And there have been some fishy circumstance in counting other types of votes as well.

[tritsofme]

14. Only if Obama loses.

Because the consensus seems to be around here that every single race won by a Republican is due to some form of cheating.

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. Every one? Not sure about that, but definitely some have seemed darned fishy.

[suston96]

19. The attempts will be made in a number of pre-selected precincts....but they will happen. nt

[GreenPartyVoter]

20. And in states where the gov't will really help them out. (Like Ohio)

[Lilith Velkor]

21. Only in the primary, if Clinton wins.

McCain could steal the general outright and the Dems'd make nary a peep, aside from shouting down the Greens when they protest.

What, me bitter? Well, yeah.

[GreenPartyVoter]

23. I sincerely hope there will be a huge fight for it if they steal it again.

[Fire Walk With Me]

22. Bush just predicted a victory for the GOP Presidential candidate

just like he announced, sitting next to his Florida governor brother Jeb, that they'd win Florida. And how they and Enron created a "recall" election in California that got a Republican into power in that highly pesky blue state.

Do they have another end run planned? Sadly, we'll have to wait and find out. By now, ANY sign of malfeasance should be like a fireworks display and neon signs, all with their signature blazing bright for all to see.

[GreenPartyVoter]

24. "Predicted" as if he's all in the know? *grrrr*

[Fire Walk With Me]

25. Gloating is indeed a trait of those you would not wish to mimic.

[GreenPartyVoter]

27. *grrr* I don't think I can take having another election ripped away from us. I already have

high blood pressure. I could literally have a stroke!

[Florida22ndDistrict]

30. Just curious...

Do you have a problem with Florida and Michigan not counting in the primaries?

[GreenPartyVoter]

32. If i understand it right, it was a case of the state upper officials moving up the primary in an

unapproved way right? So effectively the voters have been punished for what other people have done.

So yeah, that doesn't seem quite right to me, at least in terms of John and Suzy Q Public. Maybe there could have been some other way to deal with the situation?

[Florida22ndDistrict]

33. re:

Just checking too see if you follow the double standard many around here do. People scream and cry over 2000 due to its outcome, but don't seem to give a shit that Florida voters lost our vote. Similarly this year, the only people outside of the states affected that seem to have any concern are those who would have their candidate benefit by having us count, while those who's candidate would suffer argue we have no right to be counted (that it would somehow be unjust). Benjamin Franklin was definitely on to something when he said we have a republic, if we can keep it. Mans selfish views help us stray further each day from democracy, and then turn around the next day like nothing has happened. You dread a stolen election in November, but one has already occurred and there seems to be no fuss about it. It's more of a “I should feel bad about that, but it doesn't affect me so oh well” type of thing.

[GreenPartyVoter]

36. Very true. There are a lot of shaky things going on in the election process far

before we get to the GE.

And Mr. Franklin was right about the "if".

[skater314159]

26. The other day I saw some "irregularities"...

... and they seemed to center around "messican-illegals/terrists" and "universal id". A cop (in uniform, with badge) wasn't allowed to vote, as "we don't accept work id's, only state issued ids". The cop said that he IS the state, but the worker wouldn't let him vote without a lisence because "they have to stop illegals and terrism" so they have to "only accept a valid Texas driver's liscence". Not any other form of id - not a passport, not a police badge, not a State ID card (those are just what I saw turned away).

I know this is total BS, because when I went to vote absentee on Saturday, I had just had my wallet stolen - but I got to vote at my pricinct with no problems.

I think (dunno, it was just what I observed over twenty minutes or so) that it may have to do with all the people who were turned away were black or hispanic and the people I saw get to vote were white.

I know the last two Presidential elections were subject to widespread election fraud, but I don't know how it affected the outcome - other than * won both times... I think people are upset enough this time that the tactics that have worked in the past won't work again.

If the Repugs try to steal this election, there might be riots or something... but I don't think they will do that. (I think even they know their limitations).

[GreenPartyVoter]

28. I cannot believe they managed to turn a freaking cop away!

[Florida22ndDistrict]

29. The DNC already stole my vote this year...

I'm not sure how much more of it I can take before violent revolution sounds reasonable.

[Freida5]

31. Yeh the Chicago machine is trying to steal it.

[New Earth]

35. I am 100% sure they (Republicans) will at least TRY to steal it

There were a lot of problems in just the 2006 elections, they were all reported here on DU in Election Reform. Fortunately, it was not enough to effect the outcome.

I do not doubt that they will try. Let's pray they do not succeed, and turnout is just way too big for the theft to change the outcome.