BobbyVan
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:37 PM
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Obama clearly benefits from the whole Somali garb controversy - and this fits perfectly with the "desperate Clinton campaign" theme.
Maggie Williams couldn't deny that ANYONE on Clinton's staff sent the photo... It's been online for months, and Williams just couldn't in good faith prove the negative. But I'd be shocked if this were something that was sanctioned from on high. Prove that, Obamaniacs.
Meanwhile, Obama gets a full news cycle to call Hillary an anti-Muslim racist. That's what's disgusting about the whole thing.
This is clearly a case of Drudge allying with Obama to sink Hillary. You've got to wonder about Obama and Drudge joining forces, don't you?
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:38 PM
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1. Clinton's entire campaign must be a clever plot orchestrated by Obama then |
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Because everything she does seems to benefit him.
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:39 PM
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2. Wrong. It is a Republican stunt... a double-hit on Clinton and Obama |
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The Drudge piece hurts Clinton in the primaries in a way that divides the party (racist, negative) and hurts Obama in the general (foreign, muslim).
It's as effective as anything I've seen the Republicans pull lately.
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:48 PM
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14. then why hasnt the clinton campaign denied it? |
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:53 PM
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20. Because the Clinton campaign hasn't had time to do an internal investigation! |
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Geez, it just broke this morning. If it turns out that some low level twerp sent a link to the photo to someone, the Clinton campaign would be righteously accused by Obama disciples of lying.
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:54 PM
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21. The Clinton Campaign HAS denied it, you MORON |
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The Clinton Campaign has denied that it was a Clinton Campaign action.
They are unable to say whether any of 700 staffers have ever sent an email with that photo to anyone, but if an individual did, it was not a sanctioned campaign action.
That is a denial, and the only denial that could possibly be offered under the circumstances.
Very simple stuff for people who care about truth, which you clearly do not.
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:57 PM
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22. Their second statement on the affair was less incompetent than the first, yes. The first |
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Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 03:58 PM by Occam Bandage
was only a clumsy attempt to turn this into an attack on Obama; that played to the Taylor Marsh crowd but was otherwise unconvincing. "Yeah, this probably came from us, but we have no idea who or why or how and we totally don't support it" is the line they should have stuck with from the beginning.
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Mon Feb-25-08 04:01 PM
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23. Yeah, the Clinton campaign was caught a little off-guard by Obama-ites playing the race card |
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Something pops up on Drudge and the Obama-ites fall in line and call Hillary a racist.
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Mon Feb-25-08 04:02 PM
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24. It realistically shouldn't take six hours to figure out how to respond to a staffer's fuckup. I'm |
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glad they did, but this was a bad morning for them.
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Mon Feb-25-08 04:04 PM
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25. 6 hours is pretty good to get to the bottom of something |
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Conversely, Obama's supporters should have waited before pouncing on Hillary. Bad form.
And I thought Obama was all into unity? Is that all window dressing?
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Mon Feb-25-08 04:12 PM
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27. But they didn't; they just said they can't get to the bottom of it. That should have been their |
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first response.
Obama never said he was in favor of treating his political opponents with kid gloves.
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Mon Feb-25-08 04:14 PM
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28. Then it's politics as usual with Obama. Caveat emptor. n/t |
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Mon Feb-25-08 04:16 PM
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29. Not at all. He, unlike Clinton and unlike many Republicans, |
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recognizes that the large group of people who aren't hardcore Republicans or hardcore Democrats also exist.
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Mon Feb-25-08 04:17 PM
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30. But he needs to rise above these divisive tactics |
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By smearing Hillary as a racist today, he really hurt the party.
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Mon Feb-25-08 04:22 PM
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32. I have no problem with a candidate defending himself against smears. |
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He never called Hillary a racist.
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Mon Feb-25-08 04:24 PM
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33. OK, "shameful, offensive fear-mongering" |
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Plouffe said in a statement: “On the very day that Senator Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election. This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world," said Plouffe.
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Mon Feb-25-08 04:05 PM
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26. WHERE IS THE DENIAL??? |
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:40 PM
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You can't be serious! :rofl:
Look, even if Obama were the type to do this sort of thing, given past precedent in the Democratic Party (see: Dukakis in a tank, Kerry windsurfing), the results of the photo are such an unknown that releasing it isn't a politically viable move on the part of the Obama campaign because the fallout cannot be controlled.
Here's another take, though: Conservative ops leak the photo to Drudge, and say they're from Clinton's camp. That way, they win regardless of where the fallout occurs.
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:41 PM
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4. If it's all a conservative dirty trick, why accuse Hillary of the smear? n/t |
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:44 PM
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7. Because that way, you make Clinton look like a gutter politician, of course... |
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while at the same time making Obama look like ... well, like that guy in the photo. You kill two birds with one stone.
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:47 PM
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11. No, why are Democrats accusing Clinton of the smear??? |
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Unity goes both ways people.
So this is how Obama wants to start? By trashing Hillary Clinton as an anti-Muslim racist? Can't you see that the Republicans are behind this, and the Obama people are falling for it hook, line and sinker.
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:47 PM
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13. If it's false, why did she not deny it in her response this morning? |
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:49 PM
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17. Because then it becomes a gotcha game (could have been low-level & unauthorized) |
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:49 PM
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16. Oh, so now the Republicans ARE behind this? But you just said in your OP it was Obama... |
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:49 PM
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18. I said Obama is benefiting from the controversy |
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By accusing Hillary of being an anti-Muslim racist, he's the one being divisive.
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Mon Feb-25-08 04:21 PM
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:42 PM
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:42 PM
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6. LMAO. Most everything Clinton says benefits Obama. Therefore, he's behind her campaign! |
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:45 PM
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9. How do you know Clinton is really behind this??? |
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It could have been an overzealous stamp licker in El Paso sending this thing around!
Why would Clinton associate her campaign with an ugly RW e-mail rumor campaign??? (Answer, she didn't, but Obama wants you to think she did.)
Wake up people!!!
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:47 PM
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12. Apparently Hillary hired good ol' Overzealous Staffer after DeLay stepped down. |
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:48 PM
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:44 PM
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8. The only thing I see is someone trying to create division |
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in the party. Neither campaign trusts the other, and they shouldn't, but the situation makes it easy for a Repub or an outsider to start shit and create infighting.
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Mon Feb-25-08 03:51 PM
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19. How silly and absurd this discussion is...n/t |
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Mon Feb-25-08 04:27 PM
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34. Reaching, yes, that's the word |
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Reaching,
Whereas reading this I am ...
Retching :puke:
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