Janet Napolitano is a demagogue from the worst school of demagoguery

[question everything]

"No one questioned Bill Clinton's foreign affairs knowledge in 1992," she told Blitzer.

First of all, what a sexist remark. It is Hillary, not Bill, who is running now.

More important, though, Bill ran after the Soviet Union and its East European satellites disintegrated bringing the end of the Cold War. It was time to turn into domestic issues.

And, of course, she is a super delegate for Obama even though Hillary carried Arizona.

So here is the logic of the Obamanation: If Obama carried the state, Super Delegates belong to Obama; if Hillary carried the states, Super Delegated belong to... Obama.

And if a Super Delegate is black, then, of course, he has to vote for Obama.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

1. Janet rocks!

Your post is nothing but the empty petulant ramblings of a hater.

[peaches2003]

19. And a racist it sounds like

[question everything]

26. It is the Black Congressional Caucus that is pressuring black super delegates

to vote for Obama,

It is Jesse Jackson Jr. who demands that super delegates help elect the first black president.

If you see these observations as racist, take it with them.

But, of course, Clinton gets dissected and analyzed and trashed. But try to question anything about Teflon Obama and one is a racist.

Yes, he will be the president. His followers are in love with the idea of voting for him and it will be interesting how long it will take before he will be treated like regular folks. I suspect that the first shot will come from the black community.

[TheDonkey]

2. omg, trying to place the "sexist card" on Janet Napolitano? Take a time out.

[Hieronymus]

14. What desperation, to label that comment sexist .. OMG

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

39. not sexism. The Meme for today is Demogogary

Like Hillary's personality, there is a different meme for every day.

No Hope.
Big Crowds are bad.
Words are useless.
You are sexist if you don't vote for me.
You are racist because you are a black candidate.

Now its - you are the worst demogogue!

Caw caw caw!!!!!

[cali]

3. it's perfectly relevant. and what a crock

about SDs. i support obama and I believe they have a right to endorse whoever they want. YOU are the one that seems to think she should support Hill cuz she won the state. Anyway, this is all superfluous, hillary is done. over. finished.

[question everything]

29. No, she is entitled to vote any way she wants. But so are black super delegates

being pressured by their Congressional caucus to vote for Obama, to follow their constituents wish. You cannot have it both ways. Either all are free to vote as they wish, or all should follow the results of the primaries and caucuses.

And I still question the bizarre way of how delegates are being assigned. In Texas, black districts get more delegates than Latino ones, of the same size?

If Clinton is finished, why, then, even bother to respond?

[sniffa]

4. Welcome to American Democracy

It may take some time and effort but some day, god willing, you'll figure out how it works. :thumbsup:

[anonymous171]

5. I like how you don't see any similarity between

Bill's experience back then and Obama's now. You think she's INSULTING your girl when she's just defending Obama.

[paulk]

11. well, for starters, we weren't involved in two simultaneous wars

when Bill Clinton ran for office.

Napalitano's comparison kind of misses that.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

15. HRC is part of the reason we are in the situation

All the people supporting Obama have not missed that.

[paulk]

43. the one thing that pisses me off the most about the Obama

campaign is it willingness to blame Democrats for things that Republicans are responsible for.

This war belongs to George W. Bush.

[jillan]

6. She is my governor, and I worked hard to get her re-elected.

BUT if this election comes down to SDs, she better represent her state or else next time she
may not be so lucky.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

10. Yeah, I'm in AZ too and I saw the ridiculous over-the-top reaction to the endorsement

Prominent Clinton supporters were openly threatening Napolitano's political future. Somehow y'all got endorsements confused with entitlements.

[jillan]

12. Wasn't it Obama who said that SDs need to vote the way their constituents did?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. I'm not at all concerned about the SDs. Obama will have this wrapped up by next week.

:hi:

[AZBlue]

25. Ding, ding, ding!

SDs have been given too much emphasis this year - they won't even come into play!

[JimGinPA]

7. Thanks For The Chuckle

Not the silliest post of the day by far, but silly.


:rofl:

[question everything]

30. What a scintillating, instructing response! Full of logic and explanation

and of scholarly research.

:sarcasm:

(in case you actually believe in what I just said)

[IndianaGreen]

8. The Clintons said it was a co-Presidency. Remember "two for the price of one?"

Janet Napolitano is a fine governor and a woman that is secured in herself, just as that other great governor Kathleen Sebelius. You don't see them having hubby come running in everytime there is a problem, do you?

[housewolf]

9. Gov. Janet Napolitano came out in support of Obama prior to Super Tuesday

before Arizona voted.

Clinton won AZ 51% to 42%. It's not a winner take all state. 67 Total delegates, 55 from the primary and 11 supers. Clinton won 30 of 55. Obama won 24.

Based on proportionality, Clinton should get 6 super-delegate votes and Obama 5. What is the problem with Napolitano's superdelegate vote going to Obama????

[question everything]

33. The problem is with the Black Congresssional Congress demaning its memebers

who are super delegates to vote for Clinton because their states went for Obama and because, as Jesse Jackson Jr. demands, it is their responsibility to make sure that this country gets a black president.

No, she can vote for whomever she chooses, but so are super delegates whose states went for Obama, and so are Kerry and Kennedy whose state voted for Clinton.

Either super delegates are free to vote as they choose, or they have to vote according to their states. The Obama campaign cannot have it both ways.

[housewolf]

37. So what does that have to do with Gov. Napolitano? n/t

[question everything]

40. My original post was about her comparing Bill Clinton's lack of foreign policy experience

in 1992, when the Cold War had ended, to that of Obama in 2008 when we are fighting war on two fronts and when there are turmoils all across the globe, the most recent one in Kosovo.

The super delegates point was an addition. Yes, she is free to vote as she chooses, and the Obama campaign obviously loves it. But at the same time, Jesse Jackson Jr., who is part of the campaign, wants all black delegates to vote for Obama regardless of how they choose.

This second point is they hypocrisy of the Obama Campaign, not of Napolitano, at least not from what I've heard when she talked to Blitzer.

[Coexist]

16. which is the *best* school of demagoguery?

[question everything]

34. The Obama campaign

[suston96]

17. But I thought super delegates should vote the way their state goes.....? nt

[question everything]

22. Only if the states went for Obama

according to his supporters.

[suston96]

28. Napolitano gambled the state Democrats would follow her lead and pick Obama....

...she lost. Now she had better do the right thing and follow the conventional wisdom that super delegates should vote the majority in the state.

[democrattotheend]

18. Why are you offended by the Bill comparison?

Her point was that Bill Clinton was able to win and be a pretty successful president without having a lot of foreign policy experience beforehand, and that nobody held that against him in 1992. Not sure why that's offensive.

I think the Obama campaign's position is that superdelegates as a whole should not give the nomination to the candidate with fewer delegates. I wasn't aware that they were saying that superdelegates should vote with their states.

[question everything]

35. Read my post again. When Clinton ran in 1992 (and Bush in 2000)

understanding foreign policy was not that important. The Cold War was over and we concentrated on domestic policy.

Now, not only with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but with the turmoil in Kosovo, and Liberia, and Cuba, and Pakistan and Burma, and tomorrow, who knows? Understanding foreign policy is important. Which was a shame when Biden, Dodd and Richardson left.

Obama's adviser is Zbigniew Brzezinski, a leftover from Jimmy Carter.

[NorthernSpy]

20. "Question Everything"? Okay -- I question your coherence...

:wtf:

[question everything]

36. What a well reasoned, informed reply

full of explanation and analysis

NOT

Ever tried to actually reply to points raised, or is your sole specially hurling insults?

You may try the former, sometimes. Requires some intelligence, of course, which may be the problem.

[karynnj]

21. There's a difference between casting a vote as a superdelegate and endorsing

People like Kennedy, Kerry and Napolitano have ENDORSED Obama and have acted as surrogates. Kerry has said unambiguously that the superdelegates will vote as the pledged delegates do. It is the Clinton team - when the math got bad - that suggested otherwise. There is no rule that says they vote like their state.

[question everything]

38. I was not aware of Kerry's comments. Napolitano did say that she is pledged

to Obama.

Yes, I agree with you. There is no rule that super delegates should vote as the state did. However the Black Congressional Caucus, at least, demands that black super delegates vote as their states did.

My point is that one cannot have it both ways. Either super delegates are free to vote as they wish, or they have to follow the results of their states.

[karynnj]

42. Most of the Obama people I have heard have moved to saying that the super delegates should not

overturn the will of the people.

Kerry quote:
''My personal opinion is it would be a mistake and disastrous either way for the superdelegates -- insiders, establishment politicians -- to come along and overturn the expressed view of those pledged delegates,'' Mr. Kerry said.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E01EEDB173CF933A25751C0A96E9C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=3

This is from a February 10th article - so this was almost as soon as the issue started to gain any visibility.

It was the Clinton team after they were blown out in the Chesapeake primary That brought up winning via superdelgates. Then it was the Clinton people who made a huge deal of Kerry and Kennedy - though from Kerry's quote - if she won the nationwide numbers - he would vote for her. Nothing he aaid in any later interview ever changed that. (Blitzer kept trying to get him to commit to HRC because MA went for HRC - but there was no precedent that he or anyone else should do that.)

[enfield collector]

23. Janet rocks!if HRC was a 10th the person Janet is then she would

have crushed Obama before Christmas

[mrreowwr_kittty]

27. You know it!

When Janet runs for Prez I feel sorry for her opponent.

[AZBlue]

24. OMG, do not go there.

You obviously have no idea who you are talking about. It would take an hour to list just the basics of Janet Napolitano's great victories and stands here in Arizona, a book to get into the details.

As for your sexist remark...well, to be honest, it's bullshit and it's absurd. And, nice way to pull one line out of context - that tells you a lot right there.

[Alexander]

31. Janet Napolitano is a great governor. Why don't you learn more before spewing this crap?

Oh, I forgot. Anyone guilty of the crime of not supporting St. Hillary gets smeared by you sycophants.

[Occam Bandage]

32. Sexist? Racist? WTF?

[no name no slogan]

41. Plus, she's the bassist/singer for Concrete Blonde

those guys ROCKED :headbang: