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dempartisan23 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:02 AM
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BREAKING: obama surges to 4 point lead in texas
this is the headline on drudge. rasmussen has obama 4 points ahead in texas now. GOBAMA
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jezebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:05 AM
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1. Oh I hope that is correct. I'm worried about that Axelrod quote in WaPo about him being down in
internals in both Tx and Ohio. Go Obama in Texas.
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dempartisan23 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:08 AM
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2. DONT WORRY
hillary has to win texas by 30% and that wont happen
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:42 PM
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41. But won't the wins, no matter how small
could restart her campaign? Halt the Omentum? I'm really nervous that if Hillary ekes out a win, we'll hear nothing but stories about the great Clinton comeback.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:35 PM
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48. And you will, too, if that happens.
Meanwhile, Hillary will continue to whine about the media being against her all the while.

Most delegate math shows that Hillary would have to win by large margins in every remaining state just to pull even.
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Nexus7 Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:38 PM
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52. No, she doesn't
If she wins OH and/or TX, Obama will then have won no big states except Illinois. Yes, this depends on an arbitrary definition of "big state." However, most of the southern states that Obama got many delegates in, have little change of going democratic in the general election. The "southern strategy" will take care of that.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:13 AM
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3. Axelrod has to lower expectations--that's his job. He didn't have to say
a word about his internal polls, he volunteered that for a reason.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:16 AM
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4. A very good way to tell the workers GET OFF YOUR BUTTS!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:50 PM
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36. Shhhh! don't let on!!
:D
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:22 AM
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5. This isn't good news for the Clinton camp
If she loses Texas, much less Ohio, you can stick a fork in her, she'll be done. Superdelegates will flee her camp for Obama, funding, already at a trickle, will disappear completely, and the numbers game will decisively turn against her.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:32 PM
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46. No it's not. I think I'm ready to admit that maybe the surge IS working. The Obama surge that is!
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 09:33 PM by InAbLuEsTaTe
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:24 AM
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6. The more important aspect could be that it shows movement
We've seen some polling saying all kinds of things. Trends are almost more important than any one poll. And this is a positive trend.
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dempartisan23 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:33 AM
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7. true
clinton need to win both texas and ohio in blowouts and that isnt going to happen. its time for her to drop out. i also think obama wil win vermont and rhode island.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:59 AM
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20. Obama might win Vermont
But there's no way in hell he wins Rhode Island.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:05 AM
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24. how many delegates does RI have, anyway? n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:21 AM
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27. 33, I believe n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:20 AM
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26. there's no might to his winning VT
He's ahead in the polls by nearly 30 pts and don't be surprised if he wins by more than that.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:49 PM
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35. I sure hope that you're right
I'm just trying to keep working the phones like we're 20 pts. behind.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:11 PM
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37. Question: How is it that VT and RI are (seemingly) so different?
Not a New Englander here so I've no clue.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:36 PM
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49. Bi-baby, myself, and a few of our friends will be in RI to help Obama
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 09:36 PM by sniffa
And are there polls for RI? I haven't seen any. :shrug:
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:35 AM
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8. Freepers are having a party....nt
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:38 AM
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9. That's not what I read on FR.
Many of them are bummed that the Coulter/Beck/Limbaugh endorsed candidate, Hillary, isn't looking likely to get the nomination now.
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dempartisan23 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:16 AM
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10. recraps want hillary to win
they think they can beat her.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:37 PM
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50. That's what I don't get.
Why, if Hillary is supposedly the "more electable", are Coulter/Beck/Limpballs/Other Assorted RW Sleazeballs "endorsing" her? Why would they want her to be our nominee if she was harder to beat?
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:21 PM
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39. I don't see how this helps your candidate.
Honestly, it's not positive. It's actually quite rude.
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:21 AM
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11.  Sen. Clinton will win Texas /Ohio/ Pennsylvania all by 4 or 5 points
Bank on it...................it aint over yet
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:26 AM
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12. Well, too bad she will not be mathematically viable if she wins
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 10:26 AM by mckeown1128
by your prediction of 4 or 5 points in those three states. Hell, Obama will be the nominee even if Hillary wins by 8 or 10 points.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:47 AM
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14. im banking on Obama
As in really banking through intrade. she will not win. You should bank on that.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:49 AM
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15. 4 or 5 points isn't large enough.... Doesn't dent Obama's delegate lead....
....forget what anybody else is telling you... it's all about the delegates.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:55 AM
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18. So are you putting money on that? Or is it just others who should?
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:11 PM
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31. My money..........Just made another contribution to senator Hillary Clinton
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:19 PM
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38. More sound Economic Guidance from the DLC:
* like NAFTA (and ALL other "Free" Trade Treaties)

* Privatizing Social Security

* supporting Media Conglomeration

* Welfare "Reform"

* Increasing H1B (imported low wage servants)

* Increasing the Defense "Budget"

* deregulating Banking and Lending (Thanks for the current Housing Bankruptcy Crisis)

* deregulating Corporate Accounting (thanks for Enron et al)

* deregulating Energy (thanks for Enron & HIGH energy prices)

* Mandatory "For Profit" Health Insurance

* limiting Class Action liability for large corporations


Economic advice from the DLC ?..........
No thanks. I can't afford it.


I have to WORK for a Living.

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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:18 PM
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33. LOL! Then she loses the nomination!
She needs big wins in Texas and Ohio, or she is toast!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:26 AM
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13. If it appears on Drudge, that means it didn't happen. Don't you pay attention?
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:52 AM
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16. Poll is up on Rasmussen now
Rasmussen Texas

Obama 48
Clinton 44
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:55 AM
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17. Say goodbye to the "Latino firewall"
==Obama leads by sixteen points among men, but trails by nine among women. Clinton’s lead among Hispanic voters is down to seven percentage points.==
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:02 AM
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22. Check out this video
For Obama: "Si Se Puede Cambiar" by Andres Useche
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ky8Hvq-F0U
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:25 PM
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34. Love that video! Viva Obama!!
Have you seen Viva Obama 2008! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU

There is an english translation on the right side, about this video, enjoy.:hi:
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:20 PM
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44. Thanks
I had not been able to understand the lyrics when I first saw it. Love the sentiment!

Mariachi bands bring back memories of growing up in California (and of drinking margaritas and eating delicious food).
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:05 AM
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23. Many of Clinton's supporters seemed to forget
That in a race, velocity can be just as important as position. We all knew Clinton started this race with a substantial lead and built in advantages, and quite frankly, those advantages were much deserved. But as the race has opened up, its equally clear that Obama has all the momentum. Along virtually every demographic group, within any state, Obama has been closing the gap or expanding his lead. When I saw Clinton supporters trumpeting leads in Ohio or Texas, or talking about the divide among Latino voters, there was never commentary on how the lead was shrinking, just that there was a lead. Its like a car broken down just short of the finish line with another racing at top speed nearly a lap behind. Sure the broken down car is closer to the finish line, but who is going to get there first?
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:14 PM
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32. Do you guys really believe in these "Daily" polls?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:00 PM
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42. do you really believe in the DLC??
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nickn777 Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:56 AM
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19. Obama also ahead in already voted...
From Rasmussen:

"Currently, Obama leads by six among those who have already voted or are absolutely certain they will vote."
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:00 AM
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21. Rasmussen also has PA down to a 4 point lead if it comes down to that.
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:07 AM
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25. Seeing as Obama has managed to close leads of nearly 20 in a couple of weeks
I'd take a 7½ weeks to close a 4% gap.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:22 AM
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28. He's only 9% behind among women and 7% among Hispanics



The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey shows Obama attracting 48% of the vote while Clinton earns 44%. Eight percent (8%) remain undecided and another 12% say it’s possible they could change their mind. That latter figure includes 3% who say there’s a good chance they could change their mind.

Obama leads by sixteen points among men, but trails by nine among women. Clinton’s lead among Hispanic voters is down to seven percentage points.

Among those who are undecided, 73% have a favorable opinion of Clinton and 66% say the same about Obama.

Overall, 76% have a favorable opinion of Clinton and 75% view Obama in such a positive light.
Seventy-nine percent (79%) believe Clinton would be at least somewhat likely to win the White House if nominated. Seventy-eight percent (78%) say the same about Obama.

These latest results show a continuing trend in Obama’s favor. Last Sunday, Clinton led by a single point. Last week, Clinton was up by three. Two weeks ago, the former First Lady enjoyed a double digit lead. The Rasmussen Reports surveys in Texas include people who have already voted and those who are likely to vote. Currently, Obama leads by six among those who have already voted or are absolutely certain they will vote.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/texas/texas_democratic_presidential_primary


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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:24 AM
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29. There's just no way this isn't over
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 11:25 AM by Tropics_Dude83
Unless the skies really do open and the celestial choirs really do start singing BUT for Hillary.

John Edwards could change that. If he really does support her, he should endorse her NOW when she needs him the most and when she is down, not post 3/4 if she has a good night. That's the only thing that can change things.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:45 AM
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30. K&R
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:31 PM
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40. Kick
:kick:
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:11 PM
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43. Obama pities the fool who messes with Texas!!!
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:30 PM
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45. I wonder how many of these pollsters are just making shit up..
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:33 PM
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47. SWEET!
Hope this is a sign of a victory in Texas.

Let's see if we can start beating Clinton in Ohio too! Let's put this primary season away!
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dempartisan23 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:37 PM
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51. i agree
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:00 PM
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53. Is that really a lead, though? Isn't that within the margin of error?
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 10:00 PM by Blondiegrrl
I don't mean to play devil's advocate; I'm just trying to prepare myself. :dilemma:

Regardless, unless Hillary wins by a landslide in every election from here on out, Obama will get the nom.

GObama!
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