Obama's Climbing Negatives

[kennetha]

In the latest Rassmussen Poll just out, this interesting tidbit appears:

Nationwide, Obama is viewed favorably by 51% and unfavorably by 46% (see recent daily results). A commentary by Susan Estrich suggests that “A funny thing is about to happen to Barack Obama…His friends in the press are about to turn on him.”

I guess all that pummeling that he's been taking from the Repugs and the Clinton campaign is wearing some of the sheen off of our shiny new boy toy. I also think that explains why there are so defensive and overreact to so many things -- like people using his actual middle name and circulating photos of him in clothing that he actually wore.

Check the full article out here:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[SteppingRazor]

1. Don't tell me you really believe that intelligence-insulting "It's just his middle name" bit.

:eyes:

[NYCGirl]

2. Yeah, because Fox News' Susan Estrich has been so right about everything...

:rofl:

[Renew Deal]

23. Hillary's supporters are Fox News watchers.

You can see it in the polling. Just look at education levels.

[WyldRogue]

43. Well well...

Here's a prime example of what is wrong with certain members of our Dem party. A flimsy character brow-beating on another candidate's intelligence.

Yep, you sure do sound smart yourself kiddo.

So what degrees do YOU have?? Guarantee you'll make your shyt up but hey, this is a blog after all where anyone can post ANYTHING they'd like.

If you want to know my degrees, I can readily post them and link to my ACTUAL business sites as well as my alma mater.

It's foolish people like you that continuously keep the divide between Dem party members.

By the way Mr. Einstein, I'm an Independent.

Bah... Ignorance deserves ignorance...say hello to the Goddess Ignorica chump

[Renew Deal]

44. You're an independent on DU.

I think you just proved my point.

[WyldRogue]

46. ugh

Here because I am casting my vote for the DEM nominee.

So you're saying Independents DON'T belong here on DU??

I'll make a note of your authority here on a BLOG site lmfao@you

And you conveniently AVOIDED my question so you've made no point other than you're all talk chump.

[Renew Deal]

47. I'm not interested

in what bartending schools you may have attended. The exit polls say what they say. Don't put your guilt or shame on me.

[Name removed]

49. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[WyldRogue]

56. I see...

Looks like the Mods would rather remove my comment only but not yours... hmm

I would half expect a Mod to be neutral and tag both of us... which means your insulting post to me is ok because:

A - You're supposedly a Dem and I'm Independent

B- You got tons of post to my paltry few

No matter, I'll still strive to make sure a Dem takes the Whitehouse as well as help sweep the Rethugs out of BOTH houses


Congrats on the Alert hit job!

[Renew Deal]

58. Hey

Sorry for being rude to you personally. I didn't mean it. I went a little overboard and you didn't say anything worse than I did. :pals:

[WyldRogue]

60. It's cool

I too took it a bit too far myself and I feel like an @ss for doing so. I guess my fervor to get the Dems in power overwhelmed scruples so to speak.

So I am apologizing to you personally, from one human being to another. God bless and Godspeed.

[TheDoorbellRang]

48. Here's another Independent -- pro-Obama DUer

There are many of us Independents who lean left. Please don't diss us, no matter who we support.

[WyldRogue]

50. Welcome

Guess because we're independents, we're not welcome from what bleached says.

I'll still be casting my vote for the Dem nominee as I've been voting Democrat for the past 30 years.

[TheDoorbellRang]

53. There seems to be a huge misunderstanding of who independents are

here on DU. This isn't the first post I've seen discounting us as some kind of interloper in the Democratic party.

I've considered myself an independent for over three decades, and have voted for the person I thought best qualified for the job rather what letter appeared after their name. I can also assert that 2004 was the first year I voted a straight Democratic ticket, and I don't see myself voting for a Republican again anytime soon.

There have been posts here saying that Independents will vote for the Democrat now and for McCain in the fall -- that just doesn't make any sense, given Indys' propensity for selecting candidates over party. :shrug:

I've read there's anywhere from 25-40% of the country who consider themselves Independents -- you'd think some Dems would be glad to see us.

[WyldRogue]

57. Well said....

...but the feeling I have been getting as well as the attitude towards my (I) affiliation is that they really have no use for an Independent's vote or opinion here.

So far it seems that I am unwelcome here and have had my intelligence insulted when I chastise ANY Dem for being divisive to the Dem party, the worse transgressors are Obama supporters.

Be careful on what you type down, they'll all (Clinton/Obama supporters) turn on you in the blink of an eye (even the Mods)

I feel that my days here are numbered because I believe that the rule of thumb of this blog is objective opinions are not allowed here, just follow like a good little lemming over the cliff and remain silent. If you come under attack or get insulted, do not attempt to defend yourself, you must remain silent and do not voice your disgust at what you have to read.

[TheDoorbellRang]

61. Nah, don't worry. You just joined up here during primary feeding frenzy

It'll get better soon. Most of the folks on both sides of the Clinton/Obama debate are pretty decent, really. It's just now we're all kinda ... excitable.

Objective opinions are welcome here, and so is lively opposition. Just keep the rules in mind and you'll be here for a long time.

Welcome to DU :hi:

[WyldRogue]

71. You're right...

...the atmosphere is looking like a batch of piranhas feasting on fresh meat lol

I'm just here to do my part on getting a Dem nominee to cast my vote for. I do find it disturbing that some Dems here are saying that if their candidate doesn't get the Nom, they won't vote for the one that did get the Nom.

That in itself is very troubling. These adamant supports would rather concede capturing the Whitehouse just to spite the OTHER candidate. Talk about a party divided....

That's why I went Independent 16 yrs ago (I used to be (D) ) because of party infighting and bullying. No one has the right to force/make me vote for said candidate because they are smitten with said candidate... which is happening again in this 2008 elections.

I just hope these people can pull together in UNITY and whip some Rethug butts as they deserve to have their @sses booted out of every office for what they have done to our country.

[Laelth]

73. Welcome to DU.

Just so you don't feel like you've been singled out for abuse, let me assure you that most of us who have come here initially found DU to be a little unnerving. This community (or, at the very least, many of its members, me included) sees itself as representative of the "Democratic wing" of the Democratic Party. We're mostly liberals. We're often suspicious of centrist DLC Democrats. As you can imagine, for many of us, independents are even more worthy of suspicion. And freepers (posters on that message board of right-wing insanity and bigoted intolerance) often come here to disrupt, though most of them have the sense to claim to be Democrats when posting.

So, we're naturally suspicious, and you're not alone in being a suspect. Most of us were when we first started posting. Please, don't feel alone or singled out for particular abuse. And please, tough it out and stay. You have much to contribute.

I am not trying to justify anyone's suspicion, per se, nor would I try to justify any inappropriate comments that were made to you. On the other hand, once this primary infighting has settled down, I have every reason to believe that the people who care enough about their country to post on this website will vote for the Democratic candidate for President in November, you included. The unity you seek will come, but it does take a little patience.

So, again, welcome! :patriot:

:dem:

-Laelth

[Arkansas Granny]

59. What a condescending remark.

[QC]

79. Ignored is often condescending. n/t

[jgraz]

62. I'm pretty sure the OP is

Though Fox may be a bit over her head.

[papau]

3. this type of non-Obama worship post will not be received well on DU

[cloudythescribbler]

16. referring to Obama as "boy toy" and other snarkinesses is not just "non-worship" ...

But I don't see a lot of flaming on this thread -- but then again the bar is raised or lowered depending on whose ox is gored (as is also true in the GE b/t Repukes and Democrats)

[Egnever]

4. Meanwhile Clintons negatives outwheigh her positives

Clinton earns positive reviews from 46% of Likely Voters nationwide and negative assessments from 53%


Theres now more people that dislike her than like her. That should work out well for her in a GE.

[rodeodance]

24. ha ha--but BO is catching up. GO BO!!!!!!!

Clinton earns positive reviews from 46% of Likely Voters nationwide and negative assessments from 53% (see recent daily results).

[Egnever]

36. Unfortunately for Clinton this is one category where she seems to be able to out pace him

Clinton hands down the best at getting negative results!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

51. Yes, let's have our future candidate REALLY suck nationally!

:eyes:

Why are you advocating for a Democratic loss?

[Barack_America]

5. The press favor McCain over Obama?

Um, no. Not in a million years, no. The press cares about the press and favors who brings in the ratings/readership. That ain't McCain.

Right now they're being nice to Hillary because they sense that she's on her way out, and maybe they even feel a bit guilty about their role in that.

[leftofcool]

11. Unfortunely they do favor McCain

This will become apparent if Obama wins the nomination. Think back to how the press treated Gore and Kerry.

Left of Cool

[Enrique]

13. I think they will favor McCain strongly

McCain has always been a media favorite, and Obama isn't nearly as "chummy" as the whores like.

[snooper2]

55. The establishement wants McWobble over Obama...

And to some extent, the establishment runs the press

[Hope And Change]

6. You forgot Hillary`s numbers...

Clinton earns positive reviews from 46% of Likely Voters nationwide and negative assessments from 53% (see recent daily results).

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. if Obama is the nom we will have 100 more wars

[jaxx]

19. And you know this how?

[LSK]

20. how so?

:shrug:

[onenote]

29. How many if Clinton is the nominee?

You seem to be as certain that Obama can't beat McCain (and equally certain, apparently, that Clinton will).

So if you've got a moment, can you tell me who is going to win the NCAA championship, the NBA finals, the Stanley Cup and the World Series? I have some bets I'd like to place in Vegas. Also, is it going to rain on election day?

[Forkboy]

40. LSU, the Celtics, the Red Wings, and the Red Sox.

I don't gamble and I have no idea about the weather....sorry. :)

[Forkboy]

37. You need to contact Comedy Central.

You have a budding career in comedy.

Kind of like Carrot Top.

[CRH]

52. Fact or links to your suppositions? Cicadas are rarely significant. Don't forget your pom poms. n/t

[grantcart]

63. you really have gone over the cliff ignore

[Capn Sunshine]

64. That's the sort of substantive post we have come to expect

rates right up there with "Vote for Hillary or we'll get hit!"

[jody]

8. Don't be surprised if BO's negatives continue to increase as voters learn more about him. n/t

[BridgeTheGap]

15. i.e. his middle name? The fact that he is Muslim, like the email says?

Is that what you're talking about? ;->

[jody]

26. No, just that he has been involved in things that some voters may not like, e.g. BO was a board

member of the Joyce Foundation that funds the Violence Policy Center to lobby for banning handguns.

BO considered becoming president of Joyce.

IMO an anti-abortion group would not select a pro-abortion person for its president.

IMO an anti-handgun group would not select a pro-handgun person for its president.

Voters perceived Gore and Kerry as being anti-gun and Bill Clinton, Gore and Kerry believe that was a significant factor in losing their elections.

Hillary's known opposition to RKBA has already been factored into her negatives.

IMO BO's position on RKBA including his involvement with Joyce has not yet been considered.

[Capn Sunshine]

65. name one Presidential election decided by "handgun owners"

That's what I thought

[jody]

70. Bill Clinton and Gore both said Gore's loss was influenced by Gore's perceived anti-gun stance.

Political analysts say Kerry's loss was influenced by Kerry's perceived anti-gun stance particularly his sponsorship of a senate bill that could have banned all semiautomatic firearms. That bill was in the senate during the campaign.

Suggest you read Winning The Gun Vote

[mopinko]

33. fact?

[AtomicKitten]

9. The Clintons are sacrificing their own climbing negatives to smear Obama.

[cali]

10. duh. of course his negatives are growing

considering what Clinton and McCain are tossing at him, but that's fine. What isn't fine is anyone being a disingenuous asshole about WHY people use his middle name or WHY they're circulating that photo. There's only one reason to do either: To try and stir up xenophobia and bigotry. And if Hill supporters can't condemn it, they're as morally corrupt as those who countenance sexism. Good to know where YOU'RE at.

[cloudythescribbler]

22. the word you're looking for is "swiftboating" ... nt

And yes, there'll be plenty of it -- and (possibly starting in about a week or so) we at DU will need to unite effectively, possibly bringing back that Democracy Corps thing, to try to counter it. "A swiftboat a day keeps the anti-fascists away"

[texas_indy]

12. "shiny new boy toy."?? Interesting way you describe a 46 year old black man.....

Texas is Obama country! VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU

[zabet]

14. Clinton's negatives may currently be higher but,

the Clintons have had a 10+ year
start with negative press before
Obama got any major press at all.

[Egnever]

17. This is like a pattented Clinton attack

Throw out anything hoping it sticks while ignoring your own connection to it. How many times has this strategy bitten her in the ass now? Nice to see her supporters sign on to it.

So now are you ready to discuss Hillary being upside down with more negative than positive?

[Big Blue Marble]

18. Susan Estrich

Just a little bit better than Ann Coulter.

How nasty you sound as well.

[high density]

32. Yeah love these people on Fox News and Newsmax

They're always so right on about the Democrats. :eyes:

Hah, and Wikipedia has this tidbit: "On February 27, 2008 Estrich stated on Fox News that she will endorse Hillary Clinton for the 2008 US Presidential Race."

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

21. let me guess, cross-posted on FR?

[rodeodance]

25. HA HA---its the Rasmussin site silly

[anonymous171]

27. Clinton and Mccain: Allies

I guess Clinton does do bipartisanship. Especially when it comes to attacking other democrats.

[crawfish]

28. The Clinton machine is effective

None of us doubt that.

[bridgit]

30. I have great empathy for any Obama supporter that felt he was just going to float...

on in there on Angel Hair Clouds. I never bought Oprah's holier than thou, "He's The Light! The One!!" setup, or the "Barack is the savior of the entire world, etc" gambit, or the 'he can run jump & slam dunk basketballs' gig. For me it only suggests the pedestal, 'the fall' that follows, and feet of clay.

[Avalux]

31. Oh yes - the illustrious Susan Estrich.

I would expect his negatives to go up a bit; still won't be as high as Hillary's.

[DemGa]

34. Looks like Obama is well on his way to becoming "polarizing"

And if the divisiveness he's brought to the Democratic Party is any indication, these are only stirrings of the nastiness to come.

[stevietheman]

35. Remember: This is the same Susan Estrich who ran the "successful" 1988 Dukakis campaign. n/t

n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

38. Careful!

Some DUbama is bound to claim you're a racist for typing "shiny new boy toy".

Everyone knows 'shiny' is racist code speak.

[Yossariant]

76. Too true. Too damn true.

[mmonk]

39. "shiny new boy toy."

vicious

[book_worm]

41. Didn't Susan Estrich run the Dukakis campaign and now comments on FAUX?

[MonkeyFunk]

42. Yes

But those aren't Estrich's numbers - they're Rasmussen's.

[indimuse]

45. Obama is UNELECTABLE!!!

ouch!

[Reality Check]

67. Agreed.

[NashVegas]

77. And It's Not Because of His Skin Color

It's because his lack of experience and his idealism make him look like a rube.

[TwilightGardener]

54. Hillary's goal was to drive up his negatives and render him unelectable. Guess that

plan is bearing fruit. Can't you see just how much she loves the Democratic party, and the country, to be willing to join the RW in wrecking Obama? She's a wonderful person.

edit to add: the quote from her campaign after Wisconsin was "On the bright side, his negatives have nowhere to go but up"

[Reality Check]

66. About time people woke up too. The longer Hillary sticks around, the better her chances become!

[Occam Bandage]

68. This is one of the saddest posts I have ever seen on DU.

People are cheering the fact that smear attacks are raising the negatives of a Democrat.

[woolldog]

69. Never thought I'd see one democrat gloating about another democrat's

rising negatives that were inflicted by another democrat. This race has brought out the worst in so many. I hope the democratic party will be able to heal before the GE. So much is at stake here.

[JAbuchan08]

72. When you can't raise your own positives

raise your opponents negatives.

[foo_bar]

74. the tables seem to tell a different story

Obama's 'unfavorables' actually stayed the same following the post-Iowa negative blitz:

Date Fav. Unfav.
11/06/07 48% 47% (+1)
11/13/07 45% 50% (-5)
11/20/07 44% 50% (-6)
...
01/03/08 50% 46% (+4)
...
02/11/08 52% 45% (+7)
...
02/29/08 51% 46% (+5)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/favorable_ratings_for_presidential_candidates

Compare to Hillary's Ras. numbers in the same period:

Date Fav. Unfav.
11/06/07 47% 50% (-3)
11/13/07 45% 52% (-7)
11/20/07 46% 52% (-6)
...
01/03/08 50% 48% (+2)
...
02/11/08 48% 50% (-2)
...
02/29/08 46% 53% (-7)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/favorable_ratings_for_presidential_candidates

(apologies for possibly heinous table formatting)

[power_2008]

75. Did Bill Clinton Endorse Obama?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGW38Zy4bJo

[Imagevision]

78. Obama, boy-toy? >this clearly descibes denial and acceptance that he's winning