Will the Dean-iacs back Kerry?

[T_i_B]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3570237.stm

The sight would have been unthinkable just a few months ago, energetic young voters waving signs that read: "I'm a Dean Democratic voting for John Kerry."

At the beginning of the year, Howard Dean was the frontrunner in the race to become the Democrat to challenge Republican George W Bush for the White House. But after a shock defeat in Iowa, John Kerry, not Howard Dean, rolled to victory.

But the question has always been how the sometimes fractious Democratic Party would unify behind its nominee after the fiercely fought primary battle. And many wondered whether Howard Dean's fervent supporters - aka Dean-iacs - would back the eventual nominee if their man lost.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. Love that guy. "I would vote for my dog over Bush"

[Fleshdancer]

50. I would vote for my dog over Bush too! He's a smart dog n/t

[MercutioATC]

2. As somebody who contributed about a grand to Dean, ...

I'll vote for Kerry, because he's the Dem nominee. Personally, I've voted Dem for a while, but Dean is the candidate who motivated me to do more than just vote. Kerry is just anothe business-as-usual Dem to me. I'll certainly vote for him, but I can't back him truthfully....he's just another Washington stooge..

I'll support Dean's 527, but I can't actively support Kerry.

[shance]

3. Dean is my man, but if he says Kerry, so do I

Kerry doesnt have the overall leadership qualities that I see in Governor Dean, in my opinion, nor have I seen a focused commitment by Kerry towards loyalty to those that support him*, but I believe in Dean, and I believe in Deans overall big pic and wisdom.

There you have it.

[ed_vadem]

4. I live in Northern VA outside of DC

and we had 3 events as recovering Deaniacs to attend on Thurs. The signs (200) were printed at a local Democratic Party print shop my 8th Dist of VA. The Kerry advance team finally agreed to letting the signs in the secure area (after intially saying no)and the BBC picked up on it very nicely. They were so popular that I gave mine to a anxious student who wanted one.

I then went to Kerry Hdqrs, to watch the live chat with Dean being moderated in the Internet center and then attended a rousing DC for Dean event one block from the big DNC unity event. It was the most successful moderated chat they have scheduled to date. Over 280 were in the chat room and about 75 questions were submitted. The Gov was able to answer about 20 of them.

VA Deaniac Maura was the master mind of of this sign project and of course now the hi-res jpegs are available on a web site.

[silverweb]

5. This Deaniac supports Kerry!

:)

[Padraig18]

6. Oh, sweet Jesus!

I guess this issue hadn't been raised in what---2, maybe 3 days? :eyes:

THIS 'Deaniac' intends to support our party's nominee, and that would be Sen. Kerry.

Thanks for picking the scab off this wound; I was afraid it might actually get to heal before someone did it for the umpteenth time...:wtf:

[sventvkg]

7. Yes..he is our nominee and best chance to get chimp out

We support him...And I have been suprised at his willingness to fight the Repug hate machine..I'm liking Kerry more everyday.

[Rationality]

8. If I can't get a Howard Dean victory, I'll settle for a Bush defeat. (n/t)

[patricia92243]

9. Very good! I feel exactly the same.

[Zynx]

10. This Deaniac supports Kerry.

I support Kerry so much so that you could call me a Kerryiac now.

[Ediacara]

11. Of course they will...

OR should I start creating threads asking if the Clarkies and Libermaniacs will support Kerry, because insisting that they won't is just as absurd!

[Rationality]

19. Libermaniacs exist here?

Other than in op-ed pages, I never met a Lieberman supporter. Pretty elusive people...

[Cuban_Liberal]

12. 'Deaniacs' are not The Borg.

Dr. Dean drew support from very diverse elements of the electorate, and I'm quite sure that virtually all of his supporters who are Democrats will support Sen. Kerry, many who are Independents will do the same, and some percentage of those who are Greens, Socialists, Libertarians, etc., will do the same.

His endorsement of Sen. Kerry, combined with his disparaging remarks about Nader, will help solidify much support for Sen. Kerry.

[k in IA]

13. Of course we will!

[sleipnir]

14. I still believe that 8% of us Deaniacs will not vote for Kerry

There's always a fringe amount, and this election I think that it will be about 8% for various reasons. Kerry's voting record is something many cannot put behind them, to name one reason. Also, you have to figure that a good amount of the Dean Dems live in Red states, so logical deduction suggests that at least a small miniority will vote third party/write-in, as a symbolic vote. I think that amount will be at about 8%.

On edit: I'm voting for Kerry and suggesting that all Deaniacs do the same! Get rid of Bush!

[Bill Todd]

15. I think that the majority of Dean's supporters may vote for Kerry

but I suspect that the number who don't may significantly exceed the 8% just estimated, based on what I've seen in the Dean blog and forum over time.

Some supporters are solid Republicans who had just had enough of Bush but won't be able to bring themselves to vote for Kerry. Some of those will vote for Bush, others may just stay home.

Some significant number of his Democratic and other generally progressive supporters have already gone over to Nader, and more will probably either vote for him in November or write in Howard's name - because they just won't support the Democratic party and Kerry in their current form. (I'm one of the non-Nader-enthusiasts in this group.)

Some of his pragmatic Green and Libertarian supporters won't find Kerry an acceptable alternative to their own candidates.

And Howard really did energize a lot of people who normally wouldn't have been interested in voting at all, and just won't bother now.

So while I don't think that Dubya will be picking up many ex-Deaniacs, I don't believe that Kerry can count on more than perhaps 3/4 of them unless he and the party get their act together. Perhaps less than that, if people like me can convince them to hold out for real change.

- bill

[sadiesworld]

18. So, in effect, one of your purposes here at DU...

is to convince people not to vote for Kerry? :shrug:

[Bill Todd]

26. Provisionally, yes - or at least not until there's no other choice

I think Kerry's and the party's feet should be held to the fire by the threat of non-support and loss of votes, to make them earn said support and votes. What people do on November 2nd if their votes remain unearned is, of course, a very personal decision, and I have no trouble respecting people who decide either way - as long as they've done everything up until that point to try to force the changes that are needed.

- bill

[Rationality]

21. You know what I think?

I think that even if you're somehow correct, Dean has energized so many voters who are first and foremost ABB that Kerry can ride it through anyway. 75% of so many is better than 100% of so little.

[Bill Todd]

27. There's no question that Howard has been a major help to Kerry & the party

But the question asked wasn't that: it was the degree to which the supporters that Howard had already energized would 'back' Kerry, and in that context the question is a matter of percentages, not comparisons with alternate realities in which Howard had never existed.

It's also worth noting that while the large majority of Dean supporters have expressed the intention of voting for Kerry, a great many of that majority (and specifically the active, vocal ones who tend to speak out) have specifically said that that's all the support that Kerry will get unless he does something significant to get their attention. In other words, no money, no shoe-leather, no mouse pads: without significant movement toward the positions and ideals that Howard espoused, they'll leave Kerry on his own until November 2nd, when they'll hold their noses and do what they think they must.

So while something like 75% will likely vote for Kerry even without any improvement on his part, my guess is that he'll have difficulty drumming up even 25% of the other forms of support that Howard got from his people without a major make-over - though that's still enough that both he and the party will have a lot to be grateful for, not that I expect them to show it in any substantive manner.

- bill

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

16. Pretty obvious a lot of people didn't read the article

It is a very positive article about Dean supporters. I would urge people to read it prior to a knee-jerk reaction.

[Bill Todd]

17. So what?

I, and most of the other respondents here, were answering the question that was asked. Reading the article had nothing to do with it.

Now that I have read the article, I'm not particularly impressed: it's typical CW media pablum that likes to wrap up complex issues into brain-dead simplistic sound bytes.

The fact that I'd vote for my cat over Dubya (like the gent quoted in the article) doesn't mean that I'll vote for Kerry: it just means that if my cat were the only] voting choice I had besides Dubya, I'd vote for it. Fortunately, I have several other choices, and will be choosing one of them if Kerry doesn't earn my vote - as will a significant percentage of other ex-Dean supporters.

Howard's a great guy, and I fully understand why he has to do what he's doing right now. That doesn't mean that I have to do the same, however: our situations are dramatically different, and while he has earned a platform in the party from which he can attempt change from within its leadership ranks (as long as he toes the line for a while), I and others like me have no such platform that we need to protect, and only the strength of our votes and other support to use to try to accomplish the change that we feel is necessary.

We're certainly in the minority, even among Deaniacs. But we're not a completely negligible minority.

- bill

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

20. So Howard is the only Dem with spine unless he does something you

don't like or agree with. Then, he is doing it because he HAS to...get a clue Mr Todd. He is doing it because he believes in it...after all his rhetoric on the campaign trail...he is either doing it because he believes in it or he is just another wind bag politician. Some Dean supporters like to have it both ways.

If Kerry doesn't earn your vote after 4 years of HORRIBLE policies set forth by Bush via both legislative and executive process, the I would suggest your vote is so marginal as to be unearneable.

One SERIOUSLY has to wonder what YOU AND OTHERS LIKE YOU are all about. Maybe we should have 300 million presidents so that everyone can place the ideologically purist possible vote.

The article was fairly favorable to Dean supporters..that was my only comment...people get slammed for not being fair to Dean supporters and when they ARE FAIR they get it crammed up their ass by some MALCONTENT post.

BTW..it wasn't a question posed by the threadstarter, it was the title of the article...perhaps if he had changed the title of the article to please others it would have been a flavor of pablum more to your liking. Imagine that Deaniacs being fed pablum...why? ( I think I know)

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

31. I am female and I would hit the alert on this personal attack

if it weren't such a verite performance of the typical Dean supporter feigning insult at incivility while demonstrating it rather adeptly himself.

Dean said he would support the nominee. People rabidly supported Dean. Dean supports the nominee. Therefore, if one rabidly supports Dean, then one should support the nominee.

I am indeed clear of what you are about...worship at the alter of Dean and mutiny of everything else that does not meet your rather narrow agenda for repair.

Clicking on the link provided to the article more than compensates for the threadstarter and people don't typically PUT article titles in quotes. As I said..the knee jerk responses on this thread were because people did NOT read the article.Thanks for demonstrating it.

Would you like some crow to go with your pablum?

One last point: Howard DIDN'T know exactly what he was doing once actual votes were cast which was why he choked. Maybe next time he'll actually put together a campaign of competent professionals that know their ass from a hole in the ground so that he doesn't piss away 40 million dollars on abject failure...Vermont surely shouldn't have cost 40 million to win.

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

35. OK have it your way

[T_i_B]

52. Not the best thread title I admit...

...but unless the headline is vague I prefer to use the headlines.

[TreasonousBastard]

22. This article seems to be about "Kiddies for Dean"...

and I don't know if it represents the mass of Dean's support.

But, it does seem to represent a certain group of political virgins who simply haven't been around long enough to really have figured it all out. One wonders why they quote a guy who pledges part of his next allowance to the cause.

These are very possibly people who were energized and brought into politics by Dean's charisma and are into a cult of personality and don't really know how things actually work. If so, they can easily be swayed by certain prevailing breezes, and really can't be trusted.

But, any port in a storm...

[madfloridian]

28. This article was not about "Kiddies for Dean."

You said: " One wonders why they quote a guy who pledges part of his next allowance to the cause...."

Could you explain why this is a bad thing? Why is it bad for a young person to be inspired when someone is speaking for the country to get its soul back?

You said: "These are very possibly people who were energized and brought into politics by Dean's charisma and are into a cult of personality and don't really know how things actually work. If so, they can easily be swayed by certain prevailing breezes, and really can't be trusted."

And I say to that: This is exactly the problem with the Democratic party, and with many forums today. There is no room for people who care, and for people who are beginning to learn the political ropes. Just go away, little kool-aid drinkers, and leave the party to us oldersters who know how to play the game.

Your post does not help at all at a time when many are struggling what to do. Has it ever occurred to you that we are sincere in believing that our country is quite wrong right now on a lot of things?

This is the party's attitude locally and nationally. And it is rather insulting.

Go away Lil Deaniacs, let us old game players run the country.

I will vote for Kerry. I donated a sizable amount through a Dean group to Kerry. I am still at heart one who feels my party is still ready to lie down and play dead.

Did you hear what Clinton said right after he thanked Dean for having courage? He said but being a president is hard work, it is a hard job. The implication was clear. I replayed the tape to be sure. He in effect said: Dean... You tried to wake us up, but good by your job is done...we will take over now...thank you very much.

I will from now on only donate to local candidates supported by Democracy for American through 21st Century Democrats. I will only give my efforts to those candidates.

But as some say, oh,no, you must not make decisions based on internet boards. I am not. Mine is made.

The final straw is that the Kerry bunch is demanding we end the Meet-ups which Dean just said on TV that he wanted us to continue. Well, well, well, we can't have our meet-ups continue to work with candidates? It is going to get ugly locally if they try to shut us up. Why should our meet-ups not continue as a part of DFA as the organization moves forward.

See what a complicated situation you are dealing with here? No,sir, it is not at all about "Kiddies for Dean".

[TreasonousBastard]

45. The article focused...

on some very young people, and that's what I was talking about. Most people don't read but a little of what's posted here, so you probably missed the number of times that I posted how impressed I was that Dean had a message that worked to get them out. My question is what they do without Dean. What is behind the curtain?

I am no stranger to movements, and while I was lucky, too many people I knew then and know now have dog bites, bullet wounds, and other injuries from some movements in the past. Being hit with a water cannon or tear-gassed isn't nearly as much fun as it sounds.

I remember fistfights in the streets over the elections in '68 and '72. Lots of people spent some time in the slam. Some of us got caught helping draft resisters and deserters, and there are still FBI records on hundreds of thousands of us thanks to COINTELPRO.

So, when I hear all this talk about changing America to some sort of Eden, I look back at when we thought we really had a chance to change things, and we did change some of them. And then reality came back to bite us in the ass.

JF Kennedy, ML King, Nader, AJ Muste, and a lot of others inspired us, and when I talk of the personality cults, I'm not talking about the Manson family or the red Kool-Aid-- I'm talking about people who were the focus of a profound message. Personality cults can be good, bad, or indifferent. What counts is the message behind the personality, the effects it will have, and how long the message lasts.

What I am seeing now, though, is a faux revolution. What are the goals of these "movements?" Are they any different than the ephemeral goals we had 40 years ago?

Peace and love was kewl, but it came from the hash pipe. The moral authority we had was in the ending of apartheid in some states. The moral authority we had was ending the war in Viet Nam, and cleaning up Love Canal.

We will end the war in Iraq whether or not this shithead gets re-selected. It's gone past the point of no return, and people are starting to wake up about it. War won't be easy for the next President after this mess.

But what of the rest of it? Corporate America won't go away. International trade won't go away. People will still drive gas hogs to work and shop every day. Developers will still build in forests.

We stopped some of the most egregious evils back then, but many still persist, and now there is little perceived to be as bad as what we fought then. There will be more great battles in the future, but they are over the horizen.

We move in a sort of Brownian motion, and are subject to the currents of history. There is very little that we can actually do to move those currents, but we can ride the ones we want and try to shift the others ever so slightly.

But, alas, we have to wait for the proper currents.

[Bill Todd]

47. Howard had credible positions on 'the rest of it'

Credible enough that they moved me from simple appreciation of his willingness to stand up on the Iraq question into being an avid supporter.

I don't know exactly what drew his younger supporters to him - perhaps a more nebulous sense that he was actually what he appeared to be rather than just playing the politician in the Great American Sitcom. I do know, however, that at least one large group of them (the 'punks for Dean' crowd, comprising several thousand people according to one of its coordinators) is fading back into the disengaged non-voting background now.

- bill

[mzmolly]

23. It depends on the Deaniac. Most "Deaniacs" are voting for Kerry.

;)

[nomaco-10]

24. Yes, most of us will, but......

stop trying to compromise our principles and insist we completely get past Kerry's voting record and stand behind him 100%.

I will vote for Kerry because if he gets elected, bush* will have to take Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz and Rice with him when he goes and the Supreme Court is too important not to have a dem pres in office. It's a no brainer at this point.

At some point some of the people on this board will have to embrace us as Kerry voters and get past the fact that he's not our first choice by a long shot and stop the futile attempt to rationalize his voting record.

BTW, I signed up seven new people to vote dem today.

[mzmolly]

25. "BTW, I signed up seven new people to vote dem today."

That's great Nomaco! :toast: :yourock:

[JNelson6563]

29. Bravo!

At some point some of the people on this board will have to embrace us as Kerry voters and get past the fact that he's not our first choice by a long shot and stop the futile attempt to rationalize his voting record.

Hear! Hear!!

BTW, I signed up seven new people to vote dem today.

Oh, well done! Keep up the party building efforts!

Julie

[rasputin1952]

36. 7 new dem's...

great news!

:toast:

[Hippo_Tron]

32. I've said since the primary that others shouldn't attack Dean...

Because Dean supporters and especially Dean himself will be very key to helping the dems win in 2004. Luckilly Dean put all of that aside and decided to be a team player and I have a HUGE amount of respect for him because he did that. Dean will probably raise huge sums of money and get more volunteers involved than any other person helping Kerry.

[bigwillq]

33. This Dean supporter

has now supported Kerry has my next president. Although I have no held up signs and went to rallies (yet) for Kerry, he has my full support and encouragement to kick the shit out of shrub.

[lapauvre]

37. I will be on board

for Kerry.  I follow Dean because he has worked a miracle. 
But we are left (pardon the not so good pun) with Kerry. 
Kerry is the candidate, and, if I live that long, I will vote
for him.

[NoPasaran]

38. This Deaniac

Was today elected as a Dean delegate to our state convention. But when we get to Houston we will all sign in as Kerry delegates because we want a unified party to kick repuke ass in November.

So yeah, I guess you could say I'm backing Kerry. Haven't quite been able to slap that new bumper sticker on yet... still need a little time.

[Rationality]

48. Now that is wrong

If you were elected as a Dean delegate, you are throwing out the votes of those who seated you out of an alterior political motive. If you for some reason don't want to vote as you were elected to do, you should step down. For no reason should you change your vote as a delegate for any candidate!

[NoPasaran]

49. No it's not wrong

The Dean campaign in Texas had decided that we would go to the state convention as Dean delegates for Kerry:

County and Senate District Democratic Conventions: Dean for Kerry
Everyone is asking for our “strategy” for the conventions! Our strategy is to get YOU elected to the State Democratic Convention.

There will be no official “Dean” delegates to the Democratic National Convention. John Kerry is the presumptive nominee. Howard Dean has endorsed him enthusiastically. In order for delegates to get to the National Convention, our group would have to have over 15% of the delegates sign in for Dean in June at the State Convention. Because of numerous factors, that will not be the case.

The leaders of the Dean, Kucinich, Edwards, and Clark campaigns met in Austin yesterday and had a conference call with the Texas desk of the Kerry national campaign.

We’ve agreed to the following concepts:
- All of us are agreed that we want a unified state convention for John Kerry in Texas. That will be achieved by all of us signing in for Kerry at State.
- Democrats who were in the campaigns of any of the nine candidates still would like to go to the National Convention and all should feel free to run for Kerry delegates or for the nine Edwards seats allocated by the primary. To do so, you will have to file an application as a Kerry or Edwards national delegate. Applications will be posted on the Texas Democratic Party website beginning late April.
- In all dealings at the State convention, no person will be prohibited or discouraged from being a party officer candidate or National Delegate because of which campaign they originally supported.
- The various campaign leaders will all have input on naming some of the At-Large delegates. There will be people who originally supported Dean (or the others) considered and elected by the Nominations Committee to be Kerry At-Large National Delegates.

On Saturday, please do whatever enables you to move through the process: You can sign in for Dean or Kerry. We urge you to support like-minded people for state delegates, so please vote for people who have been active in our efforts! Remember the basic rules, however. For instance, the more people who sign in for Dean at the door tomorrow (and if you make 15% of the County convention) the more At-Large Delegates we win to state. If you sign in for Dean, and are running for State Delegate, be sure to tell folks we are ALL going to be signing in for Kerry at the State Convention so that folks from other camps will feel free to vote for you!

http://www.deanfortexas.com/node/view/306

The Dean people who elected me knew I would be supporting Kerry in the end (as did the Kerry person in my caucus who also voted for me}.

[robsul82]

39. THIS Deaniac...

...officially endorses John Forbes Kerry for the presidency of the United States of America.

It's so weird. Since Kerry became The Man, I've been digging more and more on him. I'm even digging the poofy hair now, lol. Kerry is simply The Man, and as the saying goes, to be The Man, you have to BEAT The Man, and Duhhhhhhhhhhbya AIN'T the man to beat The Man.

Whooooooooooooooooooo!

Later.

RJS

[genius]

40. That probably depends on whether Kerry keeps attacking Bush

If he wants everyone's votes, he needs to have some courage.

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[Zorra]

42. Poop, n/t

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[Gato Moteado]

54. yeah, right.

you're delusional. we on the left (deaniacs or otherwise) will be swarming to the polls to vote the awol chimp out. bet on it.

[emulatorloo]

69. Then they will love former governor Bush - the career outsider EOM

[Cleita]

44. Excuse me, but I for one am backing him as well and many

other Dean supporters because we know the alternative.

[silverweb]

46. And the alternative is NOT pretty!

Kerry may not be my ideal candidate, but he's on the right side of enough issues that I like him just fine -- and will speak up to try to convince him to see the right side of the remaining issues. That's what Dean's new organization is all about and I'm proud to be a vocal part of it.

At least I'm confident that Kerry will listen to the people. We all know how well that's gone over with the current administration, right? :eyes:

[Oreegone]

51. We all know what the job is and we are busy bees

Our swarm with join with the other AnybodybutBushes and Democrats and Kucinich supporters and vote for John Kerry in the General Election.

The only people not voting for Kerry are a few lost souls voting for Nader for whatever the fuck reason the rest of the world will never know.

[Stuckinthebush]

53. Answer...

Of course!

The majority of us agree with Howard that it is vitally important to get Bush out of the White House.

[Jim Sagle]

55. There was really never any doubt.

[dorktv]

56. No.

But I might change my mind.

[9119495]

63. Please change your mind. Above all else, think of the Supreme

Court if necesary. Bush could totally remake the court in Scalia's image. I supported Dean, but I'll be wearing out shoes to get Kerry elected.

[Citizen Kang]

57. I still don't know.

I guess it all depends on the following factors:

1. Will Kerry chose an acceptable VP?
2. Will Kerry lose his newly acquired backbone compliments of Howard Dean?
3. Will the race in my state be a blow out for either candidate? If so I can write in Dean and vote my conscience. If it looks like a close race, I will probably hold my nose and vote for Kerry.

Pretty simple actually.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

58. This Texas Deaniac is supporting Kerry

all the way. I will ALWAYS admire Dean and what he says. I will ALWAYS appreciate what he did for this party and this election.

But if Kerry is the nom, so be it. Kerry is my man, then.

That's how I feel, but then I want Chucklenuts out on his narrow ass.

[usscole]

59. Nader - maybe

I will probably vote for Nader, assuming that Kerry has a comfortable lead in Minnesota by election day (not a given). I don't believe the 2000 Nader line that Democrats and Republicans are indistinguishable, but I do think that the long-term success of the Democratic party depends on it offering a much more progressive agenda.

[Pastiche423]

60. No. This Dean supporter will not Kerry

But I will work for, support and donate to Dean Democrats for the House and the Senate.

It is the lawmakers that vote (supposedly) for The People. It is the lawmakers that vote for the nominations of judges.

It has been my observation, that the majority of Dean supporters are mature, well seasoned votes. And that for once in their lives found a candidate that would stand up and speak out for the direly needed changes in our country.

[NewHampster]

61. Ate my crow and got fully on board - Kerry is my Next President

Supported Dean and still do but I'm now proud to say I've raised close to $3000 for the Kerry Campaign in less than a week. Our guy Dean was raped, beaten, slapped upside the head and generally given a nasty intro to national politics. I'm still sick over it but damn it there are more important things to worry about than my hurt feelings.

This is war People.

If Washington had fallen would our troops have retreated?

If Patton bought it in the bulge would Ike have called the men home?

Did the fight for human rights die with Lincoln?

True American Patriots Don't Give Up.

Kerry Needs your Help too! Contribute Here

[lojasmo]

62. I always said I wouldn't

But in my heart, I was ABB. I'l cry my way to the polls and vote for......someone who has the best chance of defeating bush. I guess that's Kerry, yeah?

[NewHampster]

64. He the man

[Arugula Latte]

65. This one will

ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB ABB well you get the idea.

[CabalBuster]

66. No, I won't -- Cannot compromise my principles n/t

[9119495]

67. Your dedication to principles will make Scalia chief justice.

How do you feel about that?

[progressiverealist]

68. most of the Deaniacs I know are planning on voting for Nader