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Sat Mar-01-08 10:45 AM
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Probably nobody here cares but McCain has lost the Catholic vote.. |
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Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 10:47 AM by Oleladylib
I'm a Catholic liberal(NO-it's not an oxymoron) and life long democrat..but many friends are of a conservative nature...McCain is out of their thinking..mostly,because of the recent "flap" but also, the war factor..It's a "local poll" but I think indicative of a trend.
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Sat Mar-01-08 10:47 AM
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1. No president in recent history won without the Catholic vote. |
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That's a good sign for us.
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Sat Mar-01-08 11:51 AM
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17. Technically not true... Bush "won" in 2000 while losing |
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the Catholic vote to Gore 50-47. Catholics are the largest religious denomination in the country by far and a notorious swing vote
Identifying the GOP in the minds of Catholic voters in the midwest and southwest as the party who embraces anti-Catholic bigots like Hagee should certainly be part of the Democratic Party's message this fall. The party of tolerance and ecumenicalism versus the party of bigotry and hate.
**The 2005 Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches reported the following figures, based primarily on 2003 denominational reporting data: 1. Roman Catholic Church: 67.2 million. 2. Southern Baptist Convention: 16.4 million. 3. United Methodist Church: 8.2 million. 4. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: 5.5 million. 5. Church of God in Christ: 5.4 million. 6. National Baptist Convention USA: 5 million. 7. Evangelical Lutheran Church in America: 4.9 million. 8. National Baptist Convention of America: 3.5 million. 9. Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.): 3.2 million. 10. Assemblies of God: 2.7 million.
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Sat Mar-01-08 10:49 AM
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2. I missed the flap. What did McCain do to lose the Catholic vote? |
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Sat Mar-01-08 10:50 AM
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3. He embraced the endorsement of anti-catholic pastor Hagee |
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Sat Mar-01-08 10:55 AM
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Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 10:57 AM by virtualobserver
who does McCain want to alienate......The Hagee crowd won't stand for denouncin' or rejectin'..
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Sat Mar-01-08 10:57 AM
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8. That was awfully boneheaded |
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Sat Mar-01-08 10:52 AM
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5. I missed it too, but here's something about it from Huffington Post |
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Sat Mar-01-08 10:57 AM
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Sat Mar-01-08 10:51 AM
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4. Yes, I forwarded the story about "the Catholic Church is a whore" toCatholic republicans |
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re McCain refusing to reject the whacko preacher's endorsement, said "minister" having trashed the Catholic Church
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Sat Mar-01-08 10:54 AM
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6. I heard that yesterday. Donahue who's a radical Catholic was |
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doing an interview and screaming about McCain's link to Haggee who always preaches about the Catholic Church being a cult and a whore church. He said he and the Catholic League will NOT STOP until they defeat McCain over this endorsement.
I can't stand listening to Donahue, but this time, the enemy of my enemy is my friend!
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Sat Mar-01-08 10:59 AM
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10. Donahue is the real deal |
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Dems should listen to him.
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Sat Mar-01-08 11:19 AM
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11. THE REAL DEAL? Like when he pushed all the Catholics NOT to vote |
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for Kerry, or because he encourages all Catholics to be single issue voters (abortion)? Sorry, but I think he's a radical nut!
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Sat Mar-01-08 01:50 PM
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27. You mean real deal... |
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as in a real nutcase right?
That guy is nuts. But if he and Hagee/McCain are going to duke it out over this, fine with me.
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Sat Mar-01-08 04:05 PM
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32. Are you thinking of Phil Donahue, and not Bill Donohue? |
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Sat Mar-01-08 11:21 AM
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12. If we can get conservative Catholics to stay home or even vote Dem in protest |
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that will be impossible for the Republicans to make up.
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Sat Mar-01-08 11:39 AM
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15. Catholic reporting in here |
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I'm Catholic and I never understood why a practicing Catholic would EVER vote Republican. The Republican "evangelicals" HATE Catholics, think we are idol worshipers, etc. The Church's position on the war, social justice, etc are issues that are in line with Democratic philosophy. They forget that the pope was P.O.d at GWB for authorizing the Iraq war.
On the abortion issue - if you want to stop abortion - GIVE THESE LADIES SOME ECONOMIC SECURITY so they don't get pregnant or don't have to make sad, difficult, and desperate decisions. They are a bunch of jerks using the Church as a vehicle to promote their prejudice, etc.
As for Donahue, and "The Catholic League" - The League, as Kathy Griffin so eloquently espoused, consists of that guy (Donahue) and a laptop computer. The "League" is not an organization promoted by the Catholic church. He is a crack pot and his association with the Guns and Jesus crowd has finally bit him in the ass.
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Sat Mar-01-08 01:41 PM
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25. I'm a lifelong Catholic too, and I've always believed that |
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abortion IS murder, but it's also not something the gov't or politics should stick it's nose in! I as well as everyone else has the right to NOT have one!!! It's NOT something anyone is forcing anyone to do.
You're right on the other points too. Everything the Pubs stand for is against what we've been taught is right!
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Sat Mar-01-08 03:44 PM
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28. Peace be with you lady |
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Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 03:49 PM by powergirl
Doesn't this make you batty! I have three kids and my husband and I send them all to Catholic school - at great financial sacrifice (we aren't wealthy folks!). My oldest son is an altar server. I send my children to Catholic school to obtain the very best secular and religious education I can afford because the wingnuts have infiltrated our public schools here in Texas. The public schools are being pressured to teach "intelligent design" and other wacky stuff. At least on the topic of education, the church is still strong and believes in teaching evolution, etc.
I agree with all of your points. I would never get an abortion. But religion cannot dictate the laws in a Democracy. That is how we ended up with the Tali ban.
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Sat Mar-01-08 11:23 AM
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13. the Pope isn't a DU'r ?! |
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Sat Mar-01-08 11:26 AM
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Good! One less demographic for him!
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Sat Mar-01-08 11:44 AM
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Between things like this, and Mr.-100-year-war-McCain constantly putting his foot in his mouth every tme he opens it, he should be easy to beat in Nov.
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Sat Mar-01-08 11:55 AM
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18. but he probably gained more Protestant votes than he lost among Catholics |
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the Protestant fundamentalists had a hate-on for McCain; by being endorsed by a fascist nut like Hagee, McCain probably bolstered himself in the South.
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Sat Mar-01-08 11:59 AM
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20. I don't think so...but, we'll see |
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Sat Mar-01-08 12:26 PM
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22. Bolstering the GOP base in the South while weakening the image of the GOP |
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in the Midwest and Southwest with a critical voting group is a trade-off I'm happy to live with.
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Sat Mar-01-08 04:11 PM
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36. I agree! I'm glad that they made that dumb choice! |
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Sat Mar-01-08 04:10 PM
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35. But who were they going to vote for anyway? No way would they ever vote Democratic. |
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Protestant fundamentalists aren't going to be motivated to go to the polls and vote for McCain just because he got endorsed by a fascist nut. They'll never vote for the Democratic nominee anyway, and this won't be enough to get them to support McCain.
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Sat Mar-01-08 11:57 AM
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19. Appreciate the replys...I am a dyed in the wool realist and know the |
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church is a polar opposite from perfect..yet, the political arena is not a place that it should play importance..Yes, I have evangelical friends who don't think we are Christian..so be it..keep it out of the arena..Let's respect, honor and practice decent humanitarian lives..For a realistic follow that is Christian..for those who don't profess that philosophical belief..it's still a good way to live. I have a major problem with all candidates who want to use God as a ploy..worse yet as a "backer".
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Sat Mar-01-08 12:12 PM
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This story really should be receiving more attention.
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Sat Mar-01-08 12:28 PM
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23. very significant I just ran out of posts |
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thanks for posting the question
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Sat Mar-01-08 12:38 PM
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24. I'm going to go out on a limb, and guess that this won't hurt him much |
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You really have to separate the Catholics into at least 3 groups: the Holiday Catholics, the liberal Catholics, and the fundy, assaulting people outside of Planned Parenthood (and in one horrible case, murdering the employees) in Brookline Catholic.
The Holiday Catholics will most likely vote the way they normally would - possibly, a tiny sliver will hold this against him.
The liberal Catholic (a large segment) weren't voting for McCain anyhow.
The third category are voting for McCain come hell or high water as he doesn't kill God's children.
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Sat Mar-01-08 01:44 PM
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26. This may hurt him in Northeast/Midwest/Mid-Atlantic swing states |
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like PA and MI and OH, where there are plenty of socially conservative Catholic Democrats who sometimes vote for Repubs. My own family in PA is sort of this way.
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Sat Mar-01-08 03:47 PM
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29. This can hurt him in Maryland and Michigan - and with the Latinos |
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My husband, a native of Detroit, thinks this is bad news for the midwestern and east coast Catholics. I think the Republicans forget that about 90% of the Latinos are Catholic too.
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Sat Mar-01-08 03:49 PM
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30. The Haggee endorsement isn't going to help him either |
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that guy is a loon and hates catholics.
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Sat Mar-01-08 04:03 PM
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31. Just say a Hail Mary for him |
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He'll need all the help he can get
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Sat Mar-01-08 04:08 PM
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33. That's very good news. Lots of Catholics voted for * in 2000 and 2004. |
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Days before the 2004 election, a lot of Catholic dioceses urged priests to tell their parishioners not to vote for Kerry because of abortion. Little kids came home from parochial schools telling their parents that the nuns said that Kerry was a "baby-killer."
It made a difference. I would think that Catholics would have supported Kerry. He's Catholic. As a Democrat, he stands for things that Catholics believe in - taking care of the poor, notably.
But the Republicans used abortion as a wedge issue to get Catholics to vote against the Democrats in 2000 and 2004.
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Sat Mar-01-08 04:08 PM
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that we are going to see some major realigning of party loyalties this coming year.
On both sides of the aisle.
Fascinating.
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