97% of Obama's votes sided with the Democratic Party line. Does that sound post-partisan to you?

[Laylagrande]

I'd call it ultra-partisan.

Obama has sided with Democrats 97% of the time, according to MSNBC. Does that sound post-partisan to you? I'd called it ultra-partisan.

And let it be known that I see it as a GOOD THING that his votes havef coincided with the party so many times. That's always a sign that he's a true progressive. But it is the fact that his campaign and some in the media have the balls to pretend he is "post-partisan" that gets to me.

From the article:

In 2007, Obama voted with his fellow Democrats 97 percent of the time. In 2006, his score was 96, and in 2005, he again netted a 97 percent rating.

[Honeycombe8]

1. ANOTHER NEW POSTER (11 posts) WITH SAME VIEWPOINTS AS THE OTHER NEW ONES.

All newly posting to diss the frontrunner Obama. Just noting for you regular posters.

[Laylagrande]

2. post-partisan or not? stick to the issue at hand n/t

[Alexander]

5. Sockpuppet or not? All signs point to yes.

[RaleighNCDUer]

11. Huh?

Am I missing a code or something? How is calling Obama a strong democrat "dissing" him?

[Honeycombe8]

27. Read the post again. nt

[RaleighNCDUer]

34. what the fuck are you talking about?

I am not slow on reading comprehension - so obviously you are seeing something in that which is not apparent to the uninitiated.

He votes overwhelmingly with the Democratic party line. He also reaches out to republicans, not by moving toward their positions, but to draw them over to our positions, as EVIDENCED by his consistant voting on Dem positions.

WTF is wrong with that?

[SaveOurDemocracy]

3. I think I'm having post-partisan depression.

:cry:

[FrenchieCat]

4. Could you start your pro-Hillary thread now.........and tell us how often she has voted with Dems?

First rule of thumb: On a liberal board, we don't see what you are saying as being a problem...... :shrug:

[Intellectual]

8. Problem is, liberal boards do not resemble America's electorate

And it is America which will decide who will be president in '08.
Obama is trying to woo independents and Republicans, not a liberal message board.

[FrenchieCat]

15. Let Obama frame the issues......

In fact, that's the whole point....is to win folks over without giving up Democratic principles....if you didn't know. :eyes:

[angie_love]

6. UM thats a good thing, we're demcrats you know?!

[Intellectual]

7. But isn't Obama trying to convince independents and Republicans that he's post-partisan?

The answer is yes.

Where have you been? Obama has been wooing independents and even Republicans, and in the General Elections, it would help him greatly if he proves to be "post-partisan" whatever that means. He won't prove it with his vote history, though.

[angie_love]

9. so fucking what, i want a democrat. hes saying that to woo rethugs and indies to our side like that

asshole reagan tricked democrats to his side. Its very smart.

I find it funny how "newbies" are just coming in here to start trouble before the primaries. go back to whatever hole you came from.

[emilyg]

14. As always - you're so full of love.

[Forkboy]

10. Best thing I've heard about him so far.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I'm still not sold on him, but this helps.

[LadyVT]

12. hahahahaha

[Intellectual]

13. You are welcome. Just don't tell any Obamacans

They might get scared.

[FrenchieCat]

16. Most know already......

And they actually like the honesty.

Plus, Obama defies labels, which is why what the poster is saying doesn't mean shit.

[Catalino]

18. Really? Most know already?

Several DU'ers, who are smarter and keep up with the news have said they just found out about Obama's partisanship, and you are going to tell me that most Republicans and independents knew this too?

MSNBC was the first outlet from which I heard Obama had voted with his party 97% of the time.

Or perhaps you are a pollster who interviewed hundreds of Republicans/independents on the issue.

[sandnsea]

17. He brings people to HIS point of view

We've been saying that for months.

[Catalino]

19. Oh yeah, he makes Republicans turn pro-choice and want to tax the rich

We all know that.

:wtf:

[sandnsea]

28. There are Republicans who ARE pro-choice

Only around 20% are actually against abortion in all cases. Many also support tax increases in a time of war, or when otherwise necessary. We haven't had Democrats who are willing to stand up and challenge the conventional party divisions on these issues. He is.

[Liquorice]

36. Obama doesn't have the ability

to turn republicans into democrats. He can't make them go along with universal health care, take the troops out of Iraq, or raise taxes on the rich. I'm a little alarmed when I see a supporter of Obama say he has these super-political abilities because it will never happen. Republicans are republicans and they will have no part in helping a democratic president do any of those things.

Republicans are running around yelling about 'socialized medicine' and how Obama and Clinton want to wave the white flag and 'cut and run' in Iraq. They will fight any democrat on those issues.

[high density]

20. All the Clinton supporters are telling us that he's beholden to Republican interests?

Which one is it? Mexed missages.

[frazzled]

21. Post-partisan and 97% Democratic are not mutually exclusive

Obama's "post-partisanism," if that is what you want to call it (he doesn't call it that), is not about moving to the center, or splitting the difference, or any of those ideas of the past: it's about rejecting the labels and talking about the issues themselves ... so that the majority of people will call for the sensible (i.e., the so-called Democratic) solution.

[Redstone]

22. I've only been here five minutes, and ALREADY found the Most Pointless Post of the Day!

Redstone

[donheld]

23. Layla Tombstone

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

[JVS]

24. And yet we have whiners here who believe he'll cave to the right wingers.

:crazy:

[Political Heretic]

25. I don't care about this issue. I support Obama's brand of moving the middle toward liberalism 100%

I don't believe blind ideological entrenchment (the way "partisan" is defined here as if it was a positive thing) is good for the country.

I don't believe triangulating Clintonian capitulation (which is how "bi-partisan" has been understood for a long time) is good for the country either.

I do believe that a George Lakoff-esque candidate who can finally, finally, finally master of art of FRAMING is the absolute best possible thing for the country. Obama doesn't move from liberalism to the middle. He moves the middle to liberalism, to paraphrase another post made today.

Some people here really enjoy "hating" the "other guys." They don't hate the other guys because they have to but wish things could be different. No, the LIKE the world this way. They don't WANT it to change. I however, am interested in changing the climate and culture of the country back toward a more liberal one. You can't do that simply by "beating" and then "excluding" the other side. You can only do that by persuasion.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/27/113430/088/759/465029

That's the link I wanted, and where the quote I said earlier came from.

[Barack_America]

26. Is DU now advocating that Democrats NOT vote with the Democratic party line?

What the hell is going on here?

[Catalino]

29. I think OP is advocating not lying about being post-partisan

If you read the original post, the DU member praises Obama for having a strong voting record; then he or she goes on to denounce the hypocrisy from the press and Obama campaign, who say he's "post-partisan".

[Barack_America]

31. He is willing to have conversations with Republicans...

But this does not necessarily mean that he is willing to yield his positions. He has never promised to yield his positions to appease Republicans. He has simply promised to make them a part of the conversation.

He is progressive. But if Indies and Republicans are willing to view him as centrist, so be it. He has not, IMO, presented himself as such.

[OHdem10]

30. Here is the skinny, I think I heard this being discussed on Fo

As a Liberal Democrat, if this record is accurate, Kudos to Obama


Now here is what I think they are referencing. Republicans use
that Post-Partisan to describe Obama's transformational message.
They are suggesting,IM0, that like Joe Lieberman he deliberately
or goes out of his way to vote with the GOP side. I am being a
little strong in my description because I start hyperventilating
everytime I think of those Blue Dog Democrats who consistently
vote with Republicans. I am a real partisan. If I were in the
Congress the GOP would have to give something serious up for me
to give an inch. I realize everyone cannot be like me and that
is a good thing.

What is being implied is that Obama may not be as post-partisn
(not as flexible) in his voting patterns.

A reasonable answer to this is. Obama says. I have principles also.
therefore, some legislation does not lend itself to bipartisan compromise.
Being post =partisan does not mean I have to sacrifice my principles.
Sometimes Liberal Principle may actually be in the best interest
of the country. Sometimes Conservative ones may be the best answer.

Then mention times he has worked across the Aisle. Obama/LugarBill.

[mattclearing]

32. Of course, because DU doesn't want a candidate that supports the Democratic agenda.

Clown.

[rufus dog]

33. Why doesn't Catalino's post count increase? N/t

[FrenchieCat]

35. Because she's dead as a doorknob

and has been buried.

May she RIP!