Scarborough was practically salivating over HRC staying in.

[Spiffarino]

On Tweety's show tonight Joe Scarborough said, "If Hillary Clinton wins either Ohio or Texas, she should stay in it to the end." Then a faint, smug smile took the place of his usual rictus. You could practically smell the evil glee steaming off him through the TV.

Fact is, if the Democratic primary goes to the convention it will be a Republican wet dream. They know McCain barely stands a chance against either Democrat, perhaps even less against Obama. The thought of a fight to the finish in Denver is quite possibly their only hope to salvage the Presidency. They don't want happy, unified Democrats at the convention this summer; they want to see a divided and angry Democratic Party break out into fistfights on the convention floor. I hope Hillary won't give it to them.

If she can win big tomorrow - as in three of four states and/or a large chunk of delegates - she should go on to Pennsylvania. However, if she doesn't succeed in doing at least that, she would be wise to suspend her campaign for the good of the country and the party.

Do you think we can survive another four years of Republican rule? I certainly don't and I believe Hillary Clinton agrees. And, I hope Barack Obama would do the same if - after some miraculous upset - he found himself on the ropes and out of contention.

This one's too important to let them get close enough to steal again. It's just about time to settle on a candidate and unite.

[ingac70]

Of course he is...

If the repubs can't run against her, they want to see her tear the party apart.

[Liberal Veteran]

4. Sadly, given what I have seen, I think she would try to do just that.

She just strikes me as the type of person that would turn on her own party for an alleged slight.

[TexasObserver]

1. Joe is doing all he can to carry water for his Republican overlords.

[NC_Nurse]

2. Of course he feels that way. He's a Repub AND a pundit who makes money

off of the "horserace" crap.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

3. Yes indeed. The reason for this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4866509&mesg_id=4866509

[K Gardner]

5. You should have heard him this morning. I thought I'd awakened to

an alternate universe. This whole day of media coverage has been surreal.

[depakid]

6. You analysis is dead wrong

A so called "fight to the finish" would only benefit Dems. It keeps things interesting, keeps the Republican machine off balance and keeps our options open.

McCain's dead wood- and the policies he advocates will only keep making matters worse and worse.

[JimGinPA]

8. I Don't Find Her Slime Campaign Interesting At All

Sorry.

[depakid]

12. As if there's no "slime" going the other way!

What you have to realize, though, is that you haven't really seen any slime at all. Not by the far right's definition.

I guess looking at this sort of thing from the outside for a change, I'm finding it much more entertaining- though once the general comes around, I expect that will change....

[Cha]

16. Tell the truth about hilary and you call

it "slime"?

[depakid]

18. Oh come on now. I read the same threads you do

There's hyperbole enough to go around.

Indeed, that's part of my point. It's going to fly, so let it fly from our side.

[Cha]

21. No, hilary is running a dirty campaign

from the time Obama won Iowa and if you can't see that then you're not looking. Obama has kept his campaign clean.

[skipos]

11. It doesn't keep the Repub machine because they are going to continue focusing on Obama

You have noticed how McCain rips on Obama and usually ignores Clinton, right? And now we have Clinton siding with McCain against Obama. I don't see anything that benefits Dems in this scenario.

[depakid]

14. Clinton's not siding with McCain.... come on now.

She is however, pointing out a FACT that's going to be REPEATED time and time again.

Better coming from our side, where it gets outed and ameliorated- than from the far right, which is loathe to agree with anything Hillary Clinton ever says! That sort of deal just makes their tiny brains explode.

[Spiffarino]

28. She's not siding with McCain, but I think it's a strategy

She's run out of Democrats to beat on the front-runner (as they did to her, you may recall) so she is taking cues from McCain to pile on the hurt. It's just like having extra rocks to heave at him.

It's a brilliant strategy, but I'm not so sure it's a good thing for our side.

[skipos]

30. It is a FACT that making McCain sound better than Obama is 100% Liebermanesque lameness

Can you point out a time that Huckabee or Romney or some other Repub candidate insinuated Hillary or Obama was a better choice than McCain? Take your time.

I have always wondered whether Clinton would sabotage the Dem nominee if it wasn't her. The answer is becoming clearer.

[depakid]

33. Sorry to have to say

But Obama has NEVER run anything.

Period. END OF STORY.

He has no colorable claim.

That's what you will face.

Can you deal with it?

[skipos]

34. I guess you think Clinton has a 35 years of experience running things

as a senator and 1st lady. Mmmmokay.

George Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney have run things. You might be fans of them and their "experience," but I am not. Give me a Lincoln or Kennedy anyday of the week.

[depakid]

36. Never said anything of the sort

Just said what you'll have to deal with.

[nomorewhopper]

15. no it doesn't

a fight to the finish would seriously divide the party, and would severely damage the eventual nominee with all the mudslinging.

a fight to the convention would be a republican wet dream, and a democratic nightmare. the party needs time to come together and anoint a nominee that ALL can rally around.

[Spiffarino]

32. I think it's demoralizing to Democrats.

I forget who said it, but it's an apt quote about elections:

Democrats fall in love; Republicans fall in line.

As much as we Democrats love going for the Republican jugular (especially me) we don't handle internecine feuding very well. More Democrats than Republicans will stay home rather than vote for somebody who turns them off. Continued bickering will eventually suppress the Democratic turnout, which is why Limbaugh is urging his listeners to vote for Hillary and I bet he'd do the same if Obama were behind. He wants the Democratic Party to tear itself apart.

[OhioChick]

7. Sure he is.....

Repubs "want" HRC to win the nomination. They have YEARS of dirt on her and feel they can/will beat her.

[Liberal Veteran]

9. Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

That is EXACTLY what the right wing wants.

Isn't it fascinating that the right wing noise machine is suddenly pimping for Hillary after 15 years of totally trashing her?

[OhioChick]

10. Yep.

I work with ONE Repub and he's voting for HRC because he said that McCain would have an easy win.

[depakid]

17. And you don't think they're going to just make mincemeat out of Obama too?

PLEASE.

He's equally if not even more vulnerable to all of their attacks- you just haven't seen much yet.

But you will, if he's the nominee. I predict that they'll run the ugliest campaign in living memory- and in case you've been asleep these past 25 years, their tactics work (and they work especially well against those who attempt to take "the high road").

[OhioChick]

19. The Repubs KNOW They Can Take Down HRC Much Easier. n/t

[depakid]

22. I don't necessarily agree with that

They've already used up all their mud- it's old news, whereas who knows what's going to get thrown and stuck with Obama. Something will, to be sure- and the probability is it'll be that much worse.

On the other hand, seems to me Obama works out better down ticket on state and local candidates and issues, particularly in more progressive states- but also in some "purple states" like yours.

He may not win those when the far right gets done, but at least there won't be a meltdown at all levels, like we saw in the mid 90's -mid 2000's.

The longer he battles Hillary (and not McCain) the better the overall outcome seems to me.

[Spiffarino]

29. I don't agree, either

I think Hillary Clinton could win given how tired the American people are of Bush. As head of the Republican Party, they all bask in the stench.

Now McCain wants to run as the next "War President" so I think a stale chicken sandwich would have a fair shot at beating McCain. Hillary would positively squish him. However, I think Obama would bring more Democrats along with him because there wouldn't be the "By-Gawd-I-hates-Hillary-Clinton!" twits coming out in droves to vote against her, and of course they'd vote for Republicans downticket. Clinton would probably wind up with a split Congress.

[Spiffarino]

38. Don't discount what they can do to Barack.

Truth and honor mean nothing to the Republican machine. It's only about winning. He and his campaign advisers need to get ready for the smear campaign, because the Reichwing will come at him like a serial ax murderer, only with less compassion.

[Auntie Bush]

13. Why didn't you Obama supporters think about that when you shamefully bash Hillary?

"Do you think we can survive another four years of Republican rule?"
We could have been SURE to have won if Obama hadn't the race. He divided the party! Obama should drop out for the good of the party and stop running for himself and his ego and think instead of the American people.

[Spiffarino]

25. Um...explain to me where I "shamefully bash Hillary."

I'm waiting.

[jefferson_dem]

20. Limpballs was taking loads of calls today from Ohio Repugs who crosed over to vote for Hillary.

There ya go.

Go (home) Hillary!

[Spiffarino]

24. Republicans want this to go to the (bitter) end

Anything that kills the voters' joy gives them hope.

[apocalypsehow]

23. Sure he is - he knows her nomination is the best chance for a President McCain. Just about every

Republican I talk to these days feels the same way.

[cooolandrew]

26. It's only respecting democracy if Tuesday dosen't favour HRC.

[MzShellG]

27. Republicans know she's not gonna win......

But they like the mud slinging that she is doing and they see that she is intentionally helping them destroy Obama for the GE. That 3am ad helped McCain more than it did her because she doesn't have any foreign policy or military experience to speak of. 'As far as I know' she's one of them.

[Thrill]

31. Of course. She is doing the dirty work for the Repukes

And as you can see. the only one benefiting is McCain

[Hoof Hearted]

35. Joe Scarbarough. Any way the wind blows.

[Spiffarino]

37. I wanted to nut-punch him.

He practically broke a sweat talking about a brokered convention, and this was right after he'd ranted on about what a great hero McCain is.

Transparent much, Joe?

:nuke: