What is Hillary's plan for victory in Wyoming and Mississippi?

[bluestateguy]

She wouldn't want to go into Pennsylvania with back to back losses.

Does anyone know what her plan is for the March 8 caucus in Wyoming and the March 11 primary in Mississippi.

I'm all ears.

[Johnny__Motown]

1. I think she plans to ignore them and declare that they don't count, same old same old

[scheming daemons]

2. On the Daily Show, she said, "After tomorrow, the next state is PA"....

...she doesn't even acknowledge the existence of Wyoming or Mississippi.

[sandnsea]

4. I don't know why I'm surprised

And the media goes right along with her and then she complains about media bias.

[KittyWampus]

8. honestly? that is damning

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

12. That's fine

Which means that even in if she pulls off an upset tomorrow, Obama will erase her delegate-gain with two more electoral wipe-outs.

And if she's "in it to win it," this shit doesn't end at Pennsylvania. There's a bunch of other states that don't count that come afterward.

[bluestateguy]

19. Indeed

Obama has another ass-whipping waiting for her in North Carolina on May 6.

[GainesT1958]

3. Arrange to only allow...

The cowgirls and belles to vote!:eyes:

B-)

[Joyce78]

5. Wo, Karl roving has been roving DU for months now.

[nomorewhopper]

6. the plan is to lose decisively while focusing on Pennsylvania

wy and miss will be staggering losses for hillary

[kwenu]

7. She's going to use Puerto Rico as the FIREWALL!!!!!!

[grantcart]

9. she's not that warmed up yet

[merh]

10. Obama ads are playing in Mississippi

I haven't seen any Clinton Ads.

She'll probably send BC, he made several visits after Katrina and there was that fund he and Poppy had for Katrina survivors. But ... no individuals got any of those funds, I'm not sure what they did with the funds. I think it only went to organizations and schools.

[Leopolds Ghost]

29. Lemme guess... private schools

:shrug:

[XemaSab]

11. I'm feeling a pre-emptive "not counting" coming on

:eyes:

[thoughtcrime1984]

13. Only big states matter

Most of our states don't. Good friggin luck getting President Hillary to notice you if you aren't in a top 15 population state.

[jlake]

15. Fortunately most people are.

[Leopolds Ghost]

30. Fortunately for who? You? What a condescending (...)

[Window]

24. She only seems to win the states that Democrats normally carry anyway.. and

not even by great margins. WTF?

[backscatter712]

14. She doesn't have a plan.

After all, she didn't count on having to fight after Super Tuesday, and she considers those states to be flyover country.

Absolutely no ground game there, at all.

[DesEtoiles]

16. Waterboard everyone who won't vote for her?

[Hoof Hearted]

17. Yes. The Wyoming vote is CRUCIAL AND RELEVANT to the Democratic nominee.

Now. Tell me why? I'm all ears.

Mississippi? They've gone (R) in all SEVEN of the last POTUS elections. The last one that didn't go that way? 1960 when they went for the (Harry)Byrd/Strom Thurmond ticket.

So you tell me why this isn't a dumb ass post. I'm all ears.


On edit: So Miss went for Carter. I'd guess that had a bit to do with propinquity. The premise still holds.

[bluestateguy]

18. Delegates are delegates no matter where they are from

And if Obama can catch your candidate napping by winning big in the small states that she is ignoring, and holding her to narrow wins in the big states, if the math adds up, it's his nomination.

And by your logic, why is Hillary bothering with Texas? That state hasn't voted Democratic for president since 1976.

And by the way you have your facts wrong: MS went for Carter in 1976. He worked the state hard, turned out black voters and won enough white votes to carry him over the top.

Elitist.

[TacticalPeek]

20. Incorrect.

Jimmy Carter carried Mississippi in 76 - when UPI called it for him it sealed the election night.

Aside from that, yes, it's a post lacking posterior intelligence.

If it's Tuesday, it must be Bedlam.

:patriot:

(Btw, I notice that several 'historical' electoral maps for 1976, esp. at news sites, show Mississippi color-coded for Gerald Ford, but those are in error. http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/votes/1977_1981.html#1976 )

[Hoof Hearted]

21. Revised. Thanks for your correction!

[Gore1FL]

22. Gov Sebelius (D-KS) put it best

“Senator Clinton and her campaign surrogates keep deriding Senator Obama’s wins in red states by saying that her victories in the ‘big states’ are the ones that matter,” Governor Sebelius said. “ The right Democrat, like Barack Obama, can carry red states, just like the 14 Democratic governors elected in states won by George Bush in 2004. We can’t tell people their votes don’t matter and then expect their support against John McCain in November. Senator Obama is reaching to Independents and Republicans because they desperately want to change our politics. I hope Senator Clinton will follow his lead and stop dismissing Democrats that don’t live in New York or California.”


She is absolutely right. The 50 state strategy got us a majority in the House and Senate. And anyone who hasn't noticed there have not been enough Blue states to win the last 5/7 of presidential campaigns, probably needs to study the electoral map to see why the strategy is flawed. If that doesn't work, look at the pledged delegate totals of the two credible remaining candidates. I hear the Democrats who live in Red states have checking accounts too, not to mention money they are willing to donate from them.

[LiberalAndProud]

26. Red states do donate..

We are perrenial ATM machines. Several million dollars left Nebraska in 2004 to support the Democratic presidential campaign. Kerry spent somewhere around $200,000 in return. Little wonder that most Nebraskans don't vote Democratic.

[BringBigDogBack]

33. Good post.

[LiberalAndProud]

25. So the Democratic party ignores them.

This is not to bash Senator Clinton, but there is no way we are going to turn red states blue with that attitude. Our party has abandoned Democrats in red states, leaving us to swing in the wind. If the no-dialog, no-debate, you-don't-matter-anyway attitude prevails, red states will remain red. I'll be interested to see if some of the red states where Obama has spent time and dollars might be just a little bit bluer this year. I am hoping so. I don't pretend that he has turned the tide, but I do think that actively campaigning in the long-ignored states may have a long-term ripple effect.

[cali]

23. That should be obvious; more and more negative ads and

negative speeches on the campaign trail.

[RichardRay]

27. A plan for Wyoming?

In another post I noted that one of the primary reasons I support Obama is the excellence of his organizers - his time as an organizer in Chicago really shows in this respect. I don't know if Clinton HAS a plan for Wyoming, and she doesn't seem to feel she needs one too badly - last week her campaign opened offices in three places (in a state that takes six hours to travel east-west, and four hours to travel north-south) and I haven't heard boo from them up here in Wyoming D-Land (Teton County).

There are D's here, we do vote, and we do care. I guess the fact that we only have 8 delegates and that there are only 435,000 people in the entire state (least populace state in the Union - one of the states with only 3 electoral college votes and only 1 representative!) doesn't put us at the top of anybody's priority list, but Obama's camp still somehow found a way to get people here, open offices in all parts of the state and support existing centers of support. Believe it or not, Obama has had troops on the ground in Wyoming for weeks. My little blue corner went for Kerry last time around and in the midterms a D (Gary Trauner) came within a thousand votes statewide of unseating 7 term incumbent cheney-clone Barbara Cubin.

So, while we may not make any difference, we do the best we can. As Tip O'Neil said - 'It's nice to be asked.'

[Leopolds Ghost]

28. Chuck Todd "Obama has to win a big state...he can't just keep piling up victories in places like WY"

"...if he wants to win the nomination."

Also continually repeated by Nora O'Donnell: "The delegate math isn't
the only thing. Look at the states Clinton won. These are big, important
states. If Clinton wins all the big, important states she has an argument
with the superdelegates after all, even if Obama has a lead in pledged
delegates." She and several other commentators on both cable channels
essentially argued this point fiercely as Tweety hung his head in shame.

There you heard it, ladies and gentlemen. Places like WY don't count.
Their delegates don't count.

States with higher Dem turnout in the general should get a delegate bonus,
like counties in TX, only after the fact.

[Kaylee]

36. What, these states would suddenly go Republican if Obama won?

I don't get this argument. He lost TX by 100,000 votes. He would get these votes in the GE.

[last_texas_dem]

31. Those states aren't part of the 19-state strategy.

[workinclasszero]

32. Throw more mud, wallow in the slime, divide the party even more

and doom the chances of the eventual nominee in the GE this fall.

[Apollo11]

34. Wyoming caucuses will be cancelled

Probably due to some kind of unexpected alien landing ...

[William769]

35. She went into Texas and Ohio after 11 losses.

Whats your point?

[ps1074]

37. She doesn't have one

Even the blind can see her strategy is to win all or most of the 'big states' and to go to the convention claiming Obama in unelectable since she won all or most of the big and swing states. Just watch.