Vice President Hillary Rodham Clinton?

[WillTheGoober]

Interesting thoughts have been running through my head over the last couple of days.

How great would an Obama/Clinton ticket be?

It's our dream ticket, really.


Obama could remain his hopeful, positive self, giving change speeches and delivering movement rallies to the people -- while Hillary can come in as the Veep Attack Dog and go after John ~McCain without mercy, unleashing the tough lady we all know and love, while defending Barrack Obama along the way. This ticket would bring us Clinton supporters back into the fold. This would bring Experience and Change together, in an unstoppable force.

It seems to me that this is a likely scenario.

John ~McCain is popular with Latino voters, given that he's from Arizona and sort-of supports "amnesty." It's important that Obama has Hillary's popularity with Latinos when going into a General Election against ~McCain.

Hillary is also very popular with older Americans who may feel uncomfortable with a new comer like Barrack Obama and may otherwise stray to ~McCain's familiar message.

Not to mention Hillary will be going into the Democratic Party Convention with a shit load of delegates. With that comes power and influence.

When Hillary was recently asked about this scenario, she switched the subject back to her campaign for President. But sometimes it's what politicians don't say that means the most -- and she did not reject the idea as a possibility.

Furthermore -- in February, a month where Hillary Clinton lost 0-11, she still raised over $35 million; more than a million dollars per day. Obama raised $50 million, using his momentum with 11-0 in February to bring in incredible amounts of dough. It's clear that an Obama/Clinton ticket would be unstoppable in terms of fund raising. An Obama/Clinton campaign machine would be able to double, if not triple the amount of money ~McCain will raise from his mixed up and divided supporters on the Republican/Conservative side.

The first black President and the first woman Vice President on the same ticket, at the same time in History. Imagine the energy that could be generated by such a thing. Already -- their names have been plastered everywhere -- "Obama ... Clinton ... Clinton ... Obama ... !!!"

Exciting times!

Women + Latinos + Older Folks + African Americans + White College Kids + Independents = Obama/Clinton 2008

Now -- I am not giving up on Hillary. But I will say that if she wins the nomination, Obama is too nice to be a Vice Presidential candidate. There's another equation if Hillary wins to be explored after the votes in Ohio and Texas.

We shall see.

W.

Edit: typo

[thoughtcrime1984]

1. NO- He will not offer, she will not accept

No dice.

[Wayjose]

Wanna bet?

If he has to swallow hard he will offer her the VP and she will be "honored" to accept for "the good of the party". Remember Kennedy/Johnson and Reagan/Bush...

[thoughtcrime1984]

37. I'd bet on it. A ticket of change is tainted by status quo.

And, acrimony aside, the Clintons are not going to want to be VP.

[susankh4]

38. Yep. You got it.

And we have really been primed, so we can't say we didn't see it coming.

How many references to JFK & LBJ do we need to get a clue?

[MonkeyFunk]

23. No, no bets

because there are plenty of other good choices, too. Whether Clinton is the best choice will depend on how things play out.

But I don't think she'd decline if offered.

edit: whoops - replied to wrong post.

[movonne]

29. NOOOOOOOO...She prefers mccain...that's who will offer her the vp...

[LostinVA]

46. *yawn*

Bullshit.

[MonkeyFunk]

2. I think it's likely

despite what people here say, this hasn't been a very nasty primary fight by any measure, and they'll certainly come together once it's decided.

[ronnykmarshall]

13. I just want to see exploding heads one way or another.

I'm all for a C/O or O/C ticket.

Funny I look at this thread and I can only see three responces .... the rest are on my "special friend" list.

[marylanddem]

3. She's blown any chance of that.

[AtomicKitten]

4. No effin way.

[jgraz]

5. Bad idea

The last thing someone running on a unity and anti-war platform needs is to latch himself onto a candidate like Hillary Clinton.

[SoFlaJet]

6. what...

and have her a heartbeat away from the presidency? no thanks

[snooper2]

7. No thanks...

Too late, she's already shown her true colors...


Hillary :puke:

[JKaiser]

8. Clinton/obama or Clinton/edwards?

[bellasgrams]

34. Clinton/ Clark

[JKaiser]

47. I like clark!

[lapfog_1]

9. Had she never run for President, this might have happened.

Actually, had she run a positive campaign for President, this might have happened.

Right now, she may well be the VP nominee... for McCain.

[DemzRock]

In fact, maybe they've really been fighting to see who...

will be at the top of the ticket?

[DemzRock]

10. It's quite possible and would be good for the party...

They've both been nasty to each other BUT politics makes... um...

strange bedfellows!


;-)

[WDIM]

11. Maybe with McCain nt.

[C_U_L8R]

12. fat chance

not after the stinky divisive crap she's pulled.
no one wants that.

[VolcanoJen]

14. No, no, no, no, and just for good measure, Hell to the No.

She needs to stay as far, far away from Barack Obama as possible. She'd be poison on the "Yes, We Can" ticket.

Besides, she needs him more than he needs her... and I'd say that "Shame on you, Barack Obama" and the McCain stunt pretty much slammed that door shut.

[ronnykmarshall]

21. So I guess her supporters aren't needed either.

[VolcanoJen]

25. You'll only vote for a Democratic President if Clinton's on the ticket somewhere?

Duly noted. :eyes:

[ronnykmarshall]

48. Did I say that?

:eyes: back at ya!

[Zachstar]

15. Hell fucking no

[OhioBlue]

16. No - we want to win. She would be a drag on the ticket

They would replay her attacking Obama over and over again. It isn't what we want to see every day leading up to the General.

[Johnny__Motown]

17. Maybe on McCain's ticket, not on ours

[ginnyinWI]

18. no, she's a Washington insider.

It would really dilute Obama's main message if he took her on board.

[DemzRock]

22. What is his main message? That he's a product of the Chicago machine? n/t

[bellasgrams]

39. I think his main message is he prefers repbs to dems., not

trying to be smart here, just stating fact. You can't deny he said he admired Reagan (who was a horrible leader), like the dems have never had a good president. He wants Lugar and Hagel in his admin. Then of course is his admiration of Lieberman. I just don't get it. How can any Dem. accept this man. His poor choices are likely a product of his inexperience and lack of knowledge. But there is just no excuse for such actions. If he make these kind of choices now what will he do to us, the American people.

[bowens43]

19. any ticket that includes Hillary will be a losing ticket.

She is the second most hated politician in America. There is no way that Americans are going to put her in a position that could lead directly the the oval office.

[Connie_Corleone]

20. Hell no.

[DJ13]

24. She's become poison to the Party, no way in Hell

Her campaign tactics the last two weeks have ended any chance at becoming VP on an Obama ticket.

[Island Blue]

26. No,

Hillary anywhere on the ticket would mean President McCain and Vice President Huckabee. :scared:

[backscatter712]

27. Fuck no.

Not after all the crap she's pulled in this race.

She needs to be put in the penalty box as quickly as possible.

On top of that, not only do I not want Hillary in Obama's campaign, but I also do not want Mark Penn, Wolfson, or any of the other Clinton staffers who've engineered the dirtiest, most wasteful and inept Democratic campaign I've ever seen.

Like I've said before, that's like hiring Grima Wormtongue as campaign advisor...

[jenmito]

28. You must mean Hillary as VP to MCCAIN, right? She obviously respects him more and thinks he's more

qualified. There's NO WAY she'll be OBAMA'S VP.

[JackORoses]

30. Fuck her! She gets no reward for her abhorrent actions

[bellasgrams]

31. No way!!!! If something happened to BO his supporters would

swear 'Hillary did it', it would be horrible.

[malik flavors]

32. This will happen. She will be the V.P.

Her winning the big states will be her argument, but his lead in pledged delegates will get him the nomination, becasue that can't be overturned. As a result she'll be his v.p. for the good of the party and whether they like it or not.

[CJCRANE]

33. Maybe a couple of weeks ago

after her "I'm honored" speech it was possible.

But she's pulled out all the stops to go on the attack since then.

[underpants]

35. On the other side Kingston of Ga. seems to be on the air a lot these days

just saying

http://www.jackkingston.org/

[nsd]

36. No way.

Obama has built his campaign around the idea that American politics needs a fresh start; we need a break from the divisive politics of the past. Clinton, for many people, personifies that past -- a view reinforced by her campaign's tactics over the last week.

[axordil]

40. One way and only one way this happens:

Dean, Reid, Pelosi et al pawn it off on Obama in exchange for a "gracious exit" by Clinton before PA. Strictly from his point of view, it compromises his message of change AND he gets to live with the prospect of Bill looking over his shoulder all the time when he wins. But if it's a ticket out of the trenches we're in now, that might be worth it.

[Emillereid]

41. No - wouldn't work for me. She has proved she has no moral center with

her vicious campaign tactics and her nonchalant endorsement of McCain.

[DLnyc]

42. Could happen eventually

There is no actual reason the P and VP candidate have to agree on everything, or even like each other particularly. Dem's need a landslide in November to overcome voter suppression and election fraud. Could be done with O/C (or C/O), since they draw their votes from quite different sets of demographics, and from different regions.

Would definitely be a landslide ticket. Later. Not in the next few weeks. IMHO.

Only one problem: it makes too much sense, something USA politics doesn't handle that well.

[texas_indy]

43. No Hillary on the ticket! (nt)

[damntexdem]

44. No, I don't thinkt hat McCain will consider it. And he won't win, anyway -- Obama will beat him.

;-)

[knixphan]

45. to me, it would feel like '24'...

...That season where Powers Boothe was the HAWK VEEP to Wayne Palmer.

Hated it in fiction. Would hate it more in real life.