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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:44 AM
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its not a "win" if she is still way behind and unable to catch up.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:45 AM
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1. Hillary supporters will make anything into a win after losing 11 in a row.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:47 AM
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4. 12 in a row
Vermont squeaked in there just under the wire
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:48 AM
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8. Nah... that's just a reporting anomaly

No point in getting that technical about things.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:59 AM
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27. So is Hillary's "victory" tonight
Once all the results are in, Obama will likely pick up one or two delegates.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:04 AM
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33. That's my prediction... still holding true.

It's Obama up 1 to 7 delegates for March 4, 2008. Making his lead even larger.

Hillary may win the primary in Texas by 75,000 to 100,000... but the places where she won big have many fewer delegates than the places where Obama won.

State wide totals are meaningless.

Not to mention that Obama should easily win the caucuses.

Hillary supporters may strut around for a while... let them. Obama won more delegates.

She isn't going to catch up no matter what now.

She had to win 58-42 to even have a shot a tying this up.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:46 AM
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2. Stop, you're using logic
When that hits the rest of the posts in GD:P, they'll annihilate in a ball of photons.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:46 AM
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3. Worse, it's not a win if she falls further behind!!!
RI +3 for Hillary
VT +3 for Obama

OH +5 to +9 for Hillary
TX +10 to +12 for Obama (even if he loses the primary!) :wow:

But we won't know for sure for at least several DAYS.

Best case for Hillary -1 for the day.
Best case for Obama +7 for the day.

(from Chuck Todd on MSNBC).
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:49 AM
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10. Yeah, basically.
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 12:52 AM by PseudoIntellect
Wins are wins. But the fact remains that she has yet to win more pledged delegates than Obama on any day this year.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:48 AM
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5. And all this money is being spent to fight another democrat.
That's the worst part of it all.
A MINIMUM of $85M raised in February alone, between Obama & Clinton - just to fight against each other. Imagine that against McCain and his what? 14M?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:48 AM
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6. It's A Huge Win. There Is Nothing In Politics More Valuable Than Perception.
And with the wins she has tonight, if she holds onto Texas, that perception is firmly in her corner for the time being.

Obama couldn't put her away tonight. Again, Hillary took the big states. The ones that the insider Dems actually CARE about. The perception that goes along with that is HUGE. Don't underestimate that...
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:51 AM
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13. I agree!!
a victory is still a victory, don't try take away from that.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:52 AM
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17. yeah, because momentum has worked so WELL for both of them in the past.

Really, it's almost as if the Democratic party doesn't WANT to "put either away".

As soon as one is "ahead", it's almost magical the way the other one comes back.

Or maybe there is someone ELSE that doesn't want us to have a nominee early in the process...
Someone that benefits if we beat each other into a bloody pulp and spend a lot of money in the process.

Nah...
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:05 AM
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34. It's a stupendous win on her part. Obama can't close the deal.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:48 AM
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7. Guess what? He won't have enough either!
So what the fuck is this line of O-bullshit about anyway?
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:49 AM
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9. wow looks like its to late for a tetinus shot for you.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:51 AM
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12. Wow! bam-slam! HE LOST!
Tuuuuuuuufffff Assssssss!
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:52 AM
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14. lol you are rediculas, what did she win tell me that?
and dont say OH, TX and whatever, its not winner take all, tell me, how many delegates did she close the gap by?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:55 AM
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21. She didn't close the gap in delegates... that's for sure...
RI +3 for Hillary
VT +3 for Obama

OH +5 to +9 for Hillary
TX +10 to +12 for Obama (even if he loses the primary!) :wow:

But we won't know for sure for at least several DAYS.

Best case for Hillary -1 for the day.
Best case for Obama +7 for the day.

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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:52 AM
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16. Sooooooooo mature of you.
:eyes:
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:54 AM
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20. He lost.
Get over it.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:56 AM
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23. Really, how do you figure that?
RI +3 for Hillary
VT +3 for Obama

OH +5 to +9 for Hillary
TX +10 to +12 for Obama (even if he loses the primary!) :wow:

But we won't know for sure for at least several DAYS.

Best case for Hillary -1 for the day.
Best case for Obama +7 for the day.

Obama wins more delegates today than Hillary did. Yeah, only a single digit GAIN over Hillary, but it's still a gain.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:58 AM
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25. Everyday I see Clinton supporters bitching about posts, when her supporters
post a bunch of bullshit immature crap themselves. So I decided I'd point out the immature crap when I see it, since you folks seem to be so able to ignore it.
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samdogmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:50 AM
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11. Unfortunately, no one on her side sees it this way.
So we're going to have lots more crazy "3 a.m." ads and a lot of other dirty, low down things thrown at Barack. That's the only way Hillary's people know how to campaign. And, now they think this is a "successful" strategy. YIKES!

Please save us from this nonsense! She's a divisive, polarizing figure. She's not electable in a general election. And, she simply HAS TO GO! NOW! Before she destroys the Democratic party.
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:52 AM
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15. She won -- deal with it
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lancer78 Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:54 AM
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19. She can't win
without subverting the will of the elected delegates. Deal with it.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:54 AM
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18. She is not way behind.
She is behind in delegates but not far behind. She may not be able to totally catch up without some kind of do over in Florida and Michigan, but the margin is small. Obama will not have the majority of delegates he needs to win either. If Clinton ends up with all the momentum and a majority of the popular votes cast this primary season, she has a strong case.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:03 AM
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32. That's right and I think she has the momentum now. n/t
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:56 AM
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22. Win is a win
Math and hope messages be damned......we are going all the way.
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Skoods Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:57 AM
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24. Funny how
Obama supporters always claim he can win the south, yet she's won just as many southern states as he has...
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PITBOS Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:59 AM
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26. no facts allowed.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:01 AM
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28. You sound like that dude in the Wizard of Oz.
You know. The one behind the curtain operating the controls for the wizard and saying, "Never mind that man behind the curtain" after Toto has already pulled it back. In the words of the great Yogi Berra, "It ain't over until it's over."
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:02 AM
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29. She stops Obama DEAD in his tracks. n/t
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:02 AM
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30. yeah more...........


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DUgosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:03 AM
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31. It's not over till
The fat lady sings
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