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Wed Mar-05-08 10:49 PM
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have they finished counting the tx caucus yet? n/t |
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Wed Mar-05-08 10:50 PM
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1. They don't finish until June |
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Wed Mar-05-08 10:51 PM
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You should keep your day job!! lol
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Wed Mar-05-08 10:51 PM
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4. I wasn't joking, darlin' |
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Texas doesn't seat it's delegates until June.
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Wed Mar-05-08 10:53 PM
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5. Seating is one thing.... |
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Do we not get the results before then?
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:01 PM
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Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 11:02 PM by blogslut
But there will be an initial number of precinct delegates, allocated in proportion to each candidate. The precinct delegate results must be delivered no later than three days after the precinct caucus.
These precinct delegates attend the county caucus on March 29. At county, they will hold elections - paring them down into a smaller number of county delegates. Those county delegates will then go to state the convention in June. At state, they will vote for the final, resultant number of national convention delegates: 67
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Wed Mar-05-08 10:54 PM
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7. So are you of the opinion that none of the Caucus delegates from any state count yet? |
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You are mistaken. Even though they haven't gone through the whole process. The totals are known and remain relatively static.
Don't use this bullshit argument. It makes you seem unintelligent.
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:06 PM
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9. I wasn't aware I was making an argument. |
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I believed I was just answering the OPs question.
:shrug:
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:16 PM
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12. well most caucus states go through the same process of choosing National delegates |
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so based on how you view Texas, it seems you would apply this to all Caucus states.
Only problem is that everybody else can determine the counts now, and they give Texas to Obama. Sorry, she came close.
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:17 PM
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:23 PM
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14. Do you accept Texas is a two part contest? |
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Both parts determine the winner. Obama won more delegates. Obama won the state.
Didn't you hear Bill say how he would hate for Hillary to win the day only to get it taken away at night? That is exactly what happened.
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:25 PM
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15. Texas is a three part contest actually |
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and Hillary won it.
Won it where it will count.
I'm sorry to break that to you.
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:39 PM
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20. That wa syour first nonsensical statement, unless you count PLEO's as a "part" |
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:41 PM
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22. I'd suggest you do more research |
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Clearly you don't understand Texas rules.
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Thu Mar-06-08 12:33 AM
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30. what are you talking about? |
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PrimaCaucus
That's 2 things.
Hillary led Popular Vote but Obama prevailed.
If you consider public perception the 3rd part, then you are sadly mistaken.
It is Superdelegate perception that matters, and these people know the difference between a perceived victory and an actual victory. Sorry to break that to you.
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Thu Mar-06-08 07:35 AM
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37. Do some research please |
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and no --I'm not saying perception is a third part.
sheeesh.
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:36 PM
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18. She won the election. Obama is ahead in the caucus. |
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Obama will likely net more Texas delegates despite Hillary's "Victory."
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:38 PM
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19. She won the popular vote |
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Barack is projected to win the total non-PLEO delegate count from Texas.
Especially if, as I noted elsewhere, there is very little defection (defection is rare in Texas conventions in a two-candidate contested race).
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:54 PM
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25. I am really astounded... |
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...that intelligent people are falling for Clinton reality.
Texas is a two-part process. Both parts of this process, added together, equal the Texas outcome.
Primary + Caucus = Texas results
I am really bothered by the media going along with declaring a winner in Texas, before the final results were in. It boggles the mind.
Clinton told them she ordered confetti and planned a huge party, so I guess the media felt compelled to go along, and ignore that a major portion of the Texas votes had not been counted yet.
I really hope that people think for themselves and understand the reality of Texas, instead of defining reality by spin.
I'm scared for people who don't get this!
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Thu Mar-06-08 12:00 AM
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26. I'm astounded that you don't get |
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that she won.
Am I offering a simplistic view of this?
Yup. I am.
She won. In the battle for perception --she won. It's what she needed to do in Texas --and she did it.
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Thu Mar-06-08 12:22 AM
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...and that's the point.
The Texas primary process is still underway. The votes have not all been tabulated yet.
That is a fact.
You're right...you can spin reality in whatever direction you like. That doesn't mean she won.
When the Texas caucus returns come in--and the numbers are tallied--we'll see Obama with more delegates in Texas. The media will pay a great deal of attention to this, and Obama will be declared the winner of Texas.
So really...she won't win the "battle for perception". She will have lost Texas and she will look foolish for declaring herself the winner.
In effect, her wins will be marred by Obama taking Texas. By trying to win the perception game in the short run, she'll lose in the long run.
Obama is ahead in the TX caucus 55-44 with 38 percent reporting.
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Thu Mar-06-08 12:28 AM
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28. Hillary Clinton won Texas |
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Thu Mar-06-08 12:32 AM
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29. Wow. You have tough time dealing with reality don't you Maddie? |
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Thu Mar-06-08 01:16 AM
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Math trumps perception.
Watch the news during the next couple of days, after the final Texas results are announced.
It's going to be interesting, that's for sure!
:)
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Thu Mar-06-08 07:02 AM
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36. Clinton will enter the convention |
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with the higher popular vote and the higher Democratic Party vote.
right now the "delegate math' doesn't help either candidate --and 100 delegate advantage isn't going to be the tipping point you believe it will be.
It'll be a brokered convention and Hillary will close the deal.
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Thu Mar-06-08 05:14 PM
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38. Obama is ahead in popular votes AND delegates |
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Obama has also won more states. Can you tell me why you think Clinton is ahead in popular vote totals? Everything I've seen, shows Obama far ahead in popular vote totals. Even with MI and FL counted, he's still ahead of Clinton in the popular vote. Link to popular vote totals: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:58h2CCrpLS4J:www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html+Democratic+popular+vote&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:16 PM
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11. I agree with you on this, Maddie |
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Big thing this time, which breaks from past times, is the delegates from each have been fully briefed and prepared to go all the way to state. In the past, we've seen lots of candidates who did well in the primary caucus whose folks disappeared before state senate conventions, costing their candidates votes. I believe that this time, with (1) only 2 candidates and (2) both candidates' supporters being ready and able to go all the way through, the primary convention delegate splits, as adjusted for the strengths of the various senate districts, will hold through.
In the past, we have seen 3 candidate races (Jackson, Mondale & Hart) where some viability issues arose and some trading and trickery took place. This time, with only 2, I don't see that happening.
Net net: You are correct that the delegates are not determined until June, but it appears (for now) that because there will be very little drop-off from the apportionment unless there is some sea change between now and March 29 (also, as you know, there is rarely much drop-off because of defections between the senate convention and the state convention).
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Wed Mar-05-08 10:51 PM
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3. Apparently they have better things to do |
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Wed Mar-05-08 10:54 PM
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They've counted 40% as of 8PM EST. Obama leads 56-44. So it could very well take until June!
:evilgrin: rocknation
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:08 PM
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10. What do they need to count? Don't they just need to add the numbers from the precient totals? |
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:40 PM
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21. Basically you're right. They have to calculate the delgates using a pre-set formula. |
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:27 PM
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16. Serious Answer: The missing 60% will not be reported until June. (Link) |
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:28 PM
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17. All TX delegate counts are due within 3 days. We'll know the full outcome soon. |
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:44 PM
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23. The Slow Eating Away At Clinton's Tiny Lead Will End Her Victory Dance |
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She barely walked away with delegates last night as it was. Exit polls say the caucus turnout overwhelmingly favored Obama, who knows how to run a real grassroots campaign from the bottom up. She'll be lucky to win a handful of delegates and time is growing short.
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Wed Mar-05-08 11:51 PM
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24. And we'll all fill our Hope balloons and head toward the sun called Obama. |
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Yep, Obama narrowly winning the caucuses, if he wins, will be the big headline any day now.
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Thu Mar-06-08 12:33 AM
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Thu Mar-06-08 01:13 AM
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33. Like Clinton Narrowly Winning The Texas Primary When She Needed a Blowout? |
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If she wins every contest 60% to 40% - and wins big ole' Pennsylvania by 64% - she still loses to Obama. That will make the news cycle sooner or later.
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Thu Mar-06-08 01:20 AM
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35. Which is why I'm still trying to understand the mindset of some of these Hillary supporters. |
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Thu Mar-06-08 01:11 AM
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32. We love you Texas especially if you vote our nomnee this November. In your own time TX. |
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