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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:09 PM Original message |
If Clinton keeps running on "experience" and "toughness", she will lose to McCain |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. If she's the nominee she'll need to run ALL Economy Economy Economy Economy |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. Oh, I'm sure she is much tougher than a guy who was beaten and tortured |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. McCain could run.. |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. She has already lost the pledged delegates... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
66. she has also lost super delegates. They're not moving to her side. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
5. She would pivot to hope and change the moment she got the nomination |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Basic yes - and patently cynical and false |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. That would be great if she did. Are you sure she will? n/t |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. When you run against a 45 year old rookie you run on experience |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. That would be much easier for Obama to do |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. LOL! And not a soul would believe her. |
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ribrepin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
56. The problem is that she may pivot |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
6. She would run with policy against McCain |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. But she agrees with him on Iraq |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. IWR vote is not that radioactive in the GE |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. It was for Kerry. It will be worse for Clinton, who took much longer to turn against the war |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. She'll move to the right on the war. I'd put money on it. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. This isn't the 2004 election |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. No, it's an election in which even more people are against the war |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. No she doesn't |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Keeping a "residual force" in place is not ending it |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:13 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Then it will be doubly bad for Obama |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Both supported it financially. Clinton supported it rhetorically until very recently. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. In 2004 |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Is he known for defending Bush on the war in public, frequently and loudly? n/t |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. No |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Bill certainly did |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. People don't vote policy. Otherwise, we'd have President Gore finishing up |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Bush's approvals are 19% |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:04 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. People like McCain. He has the highest favorability ratings of |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. They like McCain from 2000 |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. No, but the MSM hasn't turned on him yet. Maybe they will, maybe |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Gonna be awfully hard to sell himself |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Hope so, but we'll see. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. The hug that lost an election. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I never get tired of seeing that. Never. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
40. Clinton has made it harder to link McCain to Bush |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Naive |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. She is using Republican frames right now |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:04 AM Response to Reply #48 |
61. Obama is the one using GOP talking points, love. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Fear of terrorism, and fear period, is THE essential Repub frame |
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spag68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
8. Don't be silly |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Mostly the fresh newbies will work for her, I think, but without joy |
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Shine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
16. McCain's weakness is that he doesn't really have an economic plan |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Clinton is, of course, NOT changing the frame |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
22. she gave him the ammo to take her down too |
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ExFreeper4Obama (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
23. She won't be able to run against McCain |
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spag68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. What about that old thing |
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FedoraLV (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 05:23 AM Response to Reply #25 |
58. Voters in FL |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
34. That may or may not be true |
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ExFreeper4Obama (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
53. Its all over my friend |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Mathematically, yes. However the final count will be really close |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
27. Watch out for Cindy. The mannequin queen can take a punch. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:37 AM Response to Reply #27 |
50. *snarf* |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
38. that's why we needed Edwards, the candidate who |
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spag68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. I must admit |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:49 AM Response to Reply #47 |
57. Edwards |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
43. WRONG. The Dems have an advantage this year -- |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #43 |
51. I heard that in '04. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
52. One of many reasons Hillary can't win. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:54 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Obama isn't much better there as far as actual policy goes |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Obama had the most consistent progressive record of anyone who ran this year. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. No, that would be Dennis Kucinich |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. The national journal rated Obama more progressive than Kucinich last year. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. The national journal has its head up its ass. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
59. Clinton is a brilliant progressive, health insurance, ECONOMY, etc.... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 05:40 AM Response to Original message |
60. Here are some links that detail her experience |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:14 AM Response to Original message |
62. McCain's experience |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
67. If Hillary wins the nom I predict |
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