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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:07 PM
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So exactly how many military officers does Obama have supporting him as Commander in Chief?
I mean in comparison to the 18 who support Senator Clinton?

The GENERAL ELECTORATE wants to know.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:08 PM
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1. That is probably the most fair point that I've heard
supporting Clinton over Obama.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:15 PM
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11. Yeah! How many does Bush have. Soldiers don't get to pick superiors, it's in the contract.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:16 PM by thunder rising
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:23 PM
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24. Do their opinions not count either?
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:29 PM by Cant trust em
I'm an Obama supporter, but this is the most convincing of any of the "I'm strong on national security" arguments.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:10 PM
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2. I denounce and reject this line of argument. This isn't a Latin American dictatorship yet
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:12 PM
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5. So you would like to do away with our military?
I don't think Obama would agree with that argument, btw. He just is not ready for prime time in terms of protecting and defending America.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:50 PM
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56. Only about $300,000,000,000.00 of it.
Every year.
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printpolitico Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:10 PM
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3. Valid Question!
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:11 PM
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4. Im sure Kaptain Kangaroo would have supported him...
they both love to tell stories and goto fantasy land.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:12 PM
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6. So they want to be loyal to their former Commander in Chief and support his wife..........
I think it's more loyalty to Bill than support of Hillary. So I am not impressed...
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:12 PM
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7. who the fuck cares these idiots have been promised something in return MAYBE LIKE
Profiting on this damn war which may mean Clinton will keep this war going. don't be surprise
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:14 PM
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9. Yeah, that will resonate real well with middle America.
:eyes:
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:18 PM
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13. well crap man..
I didn't know that joining the military as a career to serve your country was a get rich quick path..
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:19 PM
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18. Are you that Naive or just kidding?
The top brass retire with at least $10,000.00 a month pension. Then go and become consultants for defense corps
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:30 PM
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34. yeah that whole one in a million really pisses me of...
WASTE OF MONEY...




idiot.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:34 PM
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78. One in a million what
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:33 PM
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40. its not but these retired military people especially the high ranking retirees can
make a lot of money while this war is still going on like working in some high ranking position for companies like BLACK WATER or some company that builds military equipment
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:43 PM
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77. Exactamundo! ! ! See posts 73 & 75 for the first example
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:34 PM
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41. Nope - it comes down to this
Hillary will pull out the Blackwaters and the Halliburtons. The military is disgusted by the contractors and the fact that they are running around lawlessly and causing trouble in Iraq - keeping the pot stirred.

Obama will not. That is why the MIC via MSNBC etc are supporting Obama while doing everything they can to take Hillary out.

Look under the sheets to see what is really happening.
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ExFreeper4Obama Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:14 PM
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8. The Military Industrial Complex fears Obama
Their little mini welfare state needs to be scaled back. They know Obama will help do it and they're not happy about it. Most of these "Generals" work for private defense contractors when they leave the military. They then lobby the pentagon for more bull shit military contracts that bleeds our treasury and justifies insane wars. The people dont benefit and its and an inefficient allocation of America's resources. Get a clue.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:15 PM
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10. So you're an ex freeper for Obama?
teehee!
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:21 PM
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22. We should welcome ex-Repubs who've seen the error of their ways
whether they sincerely support either Dem candidate, it's a sign that more are defecting from their Repug ranks. He/she should be welcomed here, no?
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:21 PM
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20. Obama will increase military spending
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/27/AR2007042702027.html
"Actually, Obama wants to increase defense spending. He wants to add 65,000 troops to the Army and recruit 27,000 more Marines. Why? To fight terrorism.

He wants the American military to "stay on the offense, from Djibouti to Kandahar," and he believes that "the ability to put boots on the ground will be critical in eliminating the shadowy terrorist networks we now face." He wants to ensure that we continue to have "the strongest, best-equipped military in the world.""
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:41 PM
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50. Not true. So not true.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:41 PM by sueragingroz
Obama Will Not 'Rule Out' Private Security Contractors in Iraq

Update from Jeremy Scahill: A day after this story went live on TheNation.com, Senator Hillary Clinton, whose staff refused for a week to answer my questions about her position on private security forces, released a statement announcing that Clinton is now co-sponsoring legislation to "ban the use of Blackwater and other private mercenary firms in Iraq," saying, "The time to show these contractors the door is long past due." Read her full statement here.

<snip>

Obama's broader Iraq withdrawal plan provides for some US troops to remain in Iraq -- how many his advisers won't say. But it's clear that Obama's "follow-on force" will include a robust security force to protect US personnel in Iraq, US trainers (who would also require security) for Iraqi forces and military units to "strike at Al Qaeda" -- all very broad swaths of the occupation.

"If Barack Obama comes into office next January and our diplomatic security service is in the state it's in and the situation on the ground in Iraq is in the state it's in, I think we will be forced to rely on a host of security measures," said the senior adviser. "I can't rule out, I won't rule out, private security contractors." He added, "I will rule out private security contractors that are not accountable to US law."



http://www.alternet.org/election08/78161/

Hillary wants the contractors out. The MIC is making gobs of money off of those contractors.

THAT is why MSNBC has been fawning over him for months - NBC is owned by G.E.

Connect the dots. Please.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:16 PM
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12. The soldiers do
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:19 PM by Mz Pip
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:56 PM
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62. Very Good point! Besides, most of these generals served under Bill, that's why.
Some are still looking for jobs...like ahem, you know who. ;)
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:18 PM
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14. I Know he has some but more importantly
he has the support of the rank and file, you know the one that do fighting and dying. You the ones that do the real sacrifice, not just answering the phone at 3:00am

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3601542
Obama 2nd in military donations
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:18 PM
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15. Interesting that nobody has answered my OP question.
So, I'm assuming that the number of military officers supporting Obama, must be.....ZERO.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:19 PM
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17. I know he has at least several, some big... he isn't trying to parade them as much as Hillary though
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:21 PM
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21. No link, not even a source referenced.
Sorry. Does.Not.Fly.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:27 PM
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29. Look here:
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:31 PM
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38. Here's the list from NYCGirl's link:
a list:
Clifford Alexander, Jr., former Secretary of the Army

Susan Ahn Cuddy, first female gunner officer in the U.S. Navy and daughter of Korean Independence fighter Ahn Chang-ho

Tom Daniels, Texas Air National Guard

Richard Danzig, former Secretary of the Navy

Donald Joseph Guter, former Judge Advocate General of the Navy, current Dean, Duquesne University School of Law, Pittsburgh

Richard D. Hearney, former Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps

John Hutson, former Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy

Jeh Johnson, former General Counsel of the U.S. Air Force

Lester Lyles, former Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force

Merrill A. McPeak, former Secretary of the United States Air Force

John B. Nathman, former Vice Chief of Naval Operations

F. Whitten Peters, former Secretary of the Air Force

James Smith, former Deputy Commander, Joint Warfare Center, US Joint Forces Command

and

Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor

Noel Koch, fmr. Special Assistant to President Nixon; former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs

Lawrence Korb, Assistant Secretary of Defense

Anthony Lake, President Bill Clinton's National Security Advisor

Jan Lodal, former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense

David Scheffer, former Ambassador-at-Large for War Crimes Issues

Sarah Sewell, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense

Gayle Smith, Special Assistant to the President, National Security Council
Alert
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:00 PM
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64. Excellent
Blow it out your ass, Clintonistas.

And he's #1 in donations from the military
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:36 PM
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47. Shit, if you must have, here's a few
Estrada campaigns for Sen. Barack Obama

By Andrew Tilghman - Staff writer
Posted : Thursday Mar 6, 2008 13:25:40 EST

Just eight months after taking off his uniform, the recently retired 15th sergeant major of the Marine Corps is jumping into the campaign fray, stumping for Sen. Barack Obama and echoing the Democratic candidate’s call for pulling troops out of Iraq.

“I stood up and I said I agree with him when he said we should pull out of Iraq. I think it’s time for the Iraqis to stand up and take charge of their own country,” retired Sgt. Maj. John Estrada said in a telephone interview Feb. 25.

“He’s not talking about snatching everybody out of there. He said he will do it over a 16-month period. He will deploy the troops to places where they’re needed, like Afghanistan. ... He’s a guy who will use force reasonably,” Estrada said.

Estrada, 52, was the highest-ranking enlisted Marine for nearly four years before retiring in June 2007 after 34 years.

He formally endorsed the Illinois senator for president of the United States during a rally at a high school gymnasium in Beaufort, S.C., on Jan. 24. Estrada served twice at Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort and is well-known among the locals there. ...


http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2008/03/marine_estrada_030508/


From Veterans for Common Sense:
Lawyers for Gitmo detainees endorse Obama... Several Boston lawyers were among the signatories to the endorsement statement, including P. Sabin Willett, Stephen H. Oleskey, Jason Pinney, and Neil McGaraghan. Other names on the list included Washington lawyer Thomas Wilner, retired federal appeals court judge John Gibbons, Center for Constitutional Rights president Michael Ratner, and retired Rear Admiral Donald Guter, who was the Navy's top JAG officer from 2000 to 2002 and who is now the dean of the Duquesne University School of Law in Pittsburgh.

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/index.cfm/page/article/id/9427


Obama Launches Testimonial Ad to Combat Critics Doubts
by: T.M. Lindsey
Saturday (10/06) at 13:00 PM
To combat critics and political rivals who question the experience of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, the campaign launched a new ad in Iowa featuring the testimonial of retired four-star General Merrill A. McPeak, who served in the Air Force for over 35 years. Gen. McPeak also served as a member of the Joints Chief of Staff and a combat pilot during the first war in Iraq.

"As a combat pilot and Air Force Chief during Desert Storm, lives depended on my judgments, and judgment is what we need from our next commander in chief," McPeak says in the ad. Barack Obama had the foresight and courage to oppose the Iraq war from the start, showing courage and insight from the start that others did not."


http://www.iowaindependent.com/tag.do;jsessionid=9788E0475C488DDDB5D1DC54BB1D856D?tag=general+merrill+mcpeak
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:52 PM
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57. Still waiting for YOUR link & list of names/ranks, Pet Rock!
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:19 PM
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73. Here ya go. Been busy. Sorry, seems like a lot more than 18. My bad!
Flag Officers Endorsing Hillary Clinton for President and Commander-in-Chief

1. General Wesley Clark
2. General John M. Shalikashvili
3. General Johnnie E. Wilson
4. Admiral William Owens
5. Lt. Gen. Joe Ballard
6. Lt. Gen. Robert Gard
7. Lt. Gen. Claudia J. Kennedy
8. Lt. Gen. Donald L. Kerrick
9. Lt. Gen. Frederick E. Vollrath
10. Vice Admiral Joseph A. Sestak
11. Major General Roger R. Blunt
12. Major General George A. Buskirk, Jr.
13. Major General Edward L. Correa, Jr.
14. Major General Paul D. Eaton
15. Major General Paul D. Monroe, Jr.
16. Major General Antonio M. Taguba
17. Rear Admiral Connie Mariano
18. Rear Admiral Alan M. Steinman
19. Rear Admiral David Stone
20. Brigadier General Michael Dunn
21. Brigadier General Belisario Flores
22. Brigadier General Evelyn "Pat" Foote
23. Brigadier General Keith H. Kerr
24. Brigadier General Virgil A. Richard
25. Brigadier General Preston Taylor
26. Brigadier General John M. Watkins, Jr.
27. Brigadier General Jack Yeager
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:37 PM
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75. This list is a goldmine documenting HRC's ties to military industrial complex
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 08:39 PM by Divernan
I'm going to really enjoy researching each and every one of these people. Just for starters, I picked Admiral Owens. And I invite other Obama supporters to check out these other Clinton military endorsers for their corporate ties.
This info is from Wikipedia - so very public.

In 1994, Bill Clinton appointed Owens to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The admiral retired in 1996, so has no involvement with military decisions re 9/11 or the war on Iraq. Later the good admiral was a senior military assistant to DICK CHENEY ! ! ! Wow, we know what kind of moral people/yesmen Cheney picks.

Now we get to the big bucks:
After leaving the military, Owens served as president, chief operating officer and vice chairman of Science Applications International Corporation ("SAIC").

In August 1999, Owens served as vice chairman and co-chief executive officer of Teledesic LLC, a satellite communications company. In June 2003, he became the chairman and chief executive officer.

On April 28, 2004, Owens became the chief executive officer of Nortel, where he had previously served on the board of directors since February 2002. Owens stepped in to replace Frank Dunn, who was fired following an investigation into financial reporting. Owens served until November 15, 2005, when he was succeeded by Mike Zafirovski.

On April 1, 2006, Owens became the Chairman and CEO of AEA Holdings Asia overseeing all Private Equity, and Real Estate investments in Asia


Lots of lucrative opportunities to get no-bid government contracts from HRC there.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:20 PM
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19. I think he has one
or two...retired Sargents who enjoy making bumper stckers or somethin'. They like Oompa.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:38 PM
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48. Thank you, armchair hero
Piss on the heads of non-commissioned officers, what you call "sargents", the men and women who served as fire team leaders, section chiefs, and field medics in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

You obviously have no military background. First of all, you'd have spelled sergeant correctly, and second, you would never have dissed the NCO corps.

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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:53 PM
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60. Wellstone would be ashamed of this keyboard commando using the Wellstone name
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:23 PM
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25. It was a very good and fair question too.
At least a handful of retired generals/admirals should be advising him :shrug:

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:13 PM
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70. And if you look you will see many are
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:35 PM
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43. Yet another one of your grossly incorrect assumptions.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:44 PM
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51. 80 distinguished Guantanamo Lawyers endorse Obama; trash Clintonl
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:46 PM by Divernan
The list includes the name of Dean Donald Guter, Navy Vice-Admiral, Ret. and former Navy Judge Advocate (top JAG officer). Dean Guter is fighting the good fight to restore habeas corpus and I am very proud he is dean of my old law school. The news that this outstanding man - the most ethical man I've every met - had endorsed Obama was great news for me.
www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/laawyers_for_git.html
Lawyers for Gitmo detainees endorse Obama
January 28, 2008 05:57 PM
By Charlie Savage

More than 80 volunteer lawyers for Guantanamo Bay detainees today endorsed Illinois Senator Barack Obama's presidential bid. The attorneys said in a joint statement that they believed Obama was the best choice to roll back the Bush-Cheney administration's detention policies in the war on terrorism and thereby to "restore the rule of law, demonstrate our commitment to human rights, and repair our reputation in the world community." The attorneys are representing the detainees in habeas corpus lawsuits, which are efforts to get individual hearings before federal judges in order to challenge the basis for their indefinite imprisonment without trial.

The attorneys praised Obama for being a leader in an unsuccessful fight in the fall of 2006 to block Congress from enacting a law stripping courts of jurisdiction to hear Guantanamo detainee lawsuits. The constitutionality of that law, which was part of the Military Commissions Act, is now being challenged before the Supreme Court in one of the most closely-watched cases this term. "When we were walking the halls of the Capitol trying to win over enough Senators to beat back the Administration's bill, Senator Obama made his key staffers and even his offices available to help us," they wrote. "Senator Obama worked with us to count the votes, and he personally lobbied colleagues who worried about the political ramifications of voting to preserve habeas corpus for the men held at Guantanamo. He has understood that our strength as a nation stems from our commitment to our core values, and that we are strong enough to protect both our security and those values. Senator Obama demonstrated real leadership then and since, continuing to raise Guantanamo and habeas corpus in his speeches and in the debates."

The attorneys did not say why they sided with Obama over his chief rival, New York Senator Hillary Clinton. . .The Gitmo attorneys contrasted Obama's record during the fight over the Military Commissions Act with that of "some politicians," whom they did not name but accused of being "all talk and no action" and who, they said, "stood back" while Obama took a more active role amid the controversy. Chicago lawyer Gary Isaac, who helped draft the statement, said that this wording was intended not to be a jab at Clinton. Rather, he said, it is "really intended to respond to the contention that Senator Obama is all talk and no action. We wanted to share our experience where he was a leader on an issue of great importance to us."



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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:19 PM
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16. Military officers supporting the DLC candidate?
Who's surprised by that? :eyes:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:22 PM
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23. i'm more impressed by the over 80 volunteer Guantanamo laywers
for detainees supporting Obama.

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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:25 PM
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27. I'm going to agree with this one as well.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:25 PM
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26. why don't we just let the military elect our presidents from now on?
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:26 PM by eShirl
edited to add: :sarcasm:
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:30 PM
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33. Somebody just posted a list of military types who support Obama.
Are you similarly outraged over that?
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:50 PM
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55. Posting a list is more than you've done, you lazy git!
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:05 PM
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66. the idea the military should pick the president should be repugnant to all Americans
it should be IRRELEVANT

god...
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:26 PM
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28. Here's a list:
Clifford Alexander, Jr., former Secretary of the Army

Susan Ahn Cuddy, first female gunner officer in the U.S. Navy and daughter of Korean Independence fighter Ahn Chang-ho

Tom Daniels, Texas Air National Guard

Richard Danzig, former Secretary of the Navy

Donald Joseph Guter, former Judge Advocate General of the Navy, current Dean, Duquesne University School of Law, Pittsburgh

Richard D. Hearney, former Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps

John Hutson, former Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy

Jeh Johnson, former General Counsel of the U.S. Air Force

Lester Lyles, former Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force

Merrill A. McPeak, former Secretary of the United States Air Force

John B. Nathman, former Vice Chief of Naval Operations

F. Whitten Peters, former Secretary of the Air Force

James Smith, former Deputy Commander, Joint Warfare Center, US Joint Forces Command

and

Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor

Noel Koch, fmr. Special Assistant to President Nixon; former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs

Lawrence Korb, Assistant Secretary of Defense

Anthony Lake, President Bill Clinton's National Security Advisor

Jan Lodal, former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense

David Scheffer, former Ambassador-at-Large for War Crimes Issues

Sarah Sewell, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense

Gayle Smith, Special Assistant to the President, National Security Council
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:31 PM
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39. Doesn't count since its not Hillary's list
so there!!!!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:35 PM
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44. Obviously not, since the OP hasn't acknowledged it. NT
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:06 PM
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67. the OP is all hat and no cattle. And the hat is full of holes
where we Obama supporters have shot his/her premise to smithereens.
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:53 PM
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59. Those are small officers who don't matter. ;)
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FedoraLV Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:28 PM
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30. Hm
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:28 PM by FedoraLV
That makes her look all the more militaristic, reminds people of her vote to authorize the Iraq war on intelligence that ordinary informed citizens doubted at the time, and reminds people of her assenting to the declaration that the duly constituted military of a sovereign nation is a 'terrorist organization' ... thus laying the groundwork for attacking the next country on on PNAC's list of 'necessary' wars.

Are the endorsements of the top brass who have run two tragic, mismanaged, unsuccessful, and obscenely expensive wars exactly what our Democratic candidates should be anxiously seeking? Do you really want to make our party look that much more like W's in favor of appearing "strong"?

Real strength is standing up for the unpopular, but correct, position.

-FedoraLV
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:31 PM
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36. So what do you think about the military endorsements Obama has received?
Somebody posted that list at least twice on this thread. Or is it DIFFERENT when Obama does it?
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:11 PM
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69. The 80 Guantanamo lawyers are standing up to restore habeas corpus
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 08:12 PM by Divernan
We can see who they are. Where's your secret list?
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sloppyjoe25s Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:29 PM
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31. In donations from Military Members - Obama is #1 Democrat
#1 overall in donations from members of the Military was Ron Paul.

Obama was #2 of any candidate. Why?

Becase he has been way way way out in front on Veterans issues - what people in the Military REALLY care about.

Mrs. Clinton is way way down on the list. Can't wait for the OP to call this "sexists" - but it's the bare facts.



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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:31 PM
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37. Wow
We had nearly identical posts at the same hour and time!
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:29 PM
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32. Not sure on the officer count
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:30 PM by Gore1FL
But Obama has received more money from military personnel as a whole.

On Edit $94,000.

Ron Paul actually has the most at $212,000.

http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/military-members-support-ron-paul-barack-obama/102/
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:30 PM
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35. I got this from wikipedia.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:34 PM
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42. So, where's the outrage from all the anti-military Obamatons on this thread,
who desperately scream that Hillary is part and parcel of the military-industrial complex?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:38 PM
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49. There is a Hillary supporter who expressed an "anti-military" sentiment
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:41 PM by Cant trust em
You should ask them yourself, because I'm not the one making that argument. I really wish that people would stop asking me to make other people's arguments for them.
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:36 PM
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45. Not important they will be working for him soon
You need to get out and talk to military people and what they think of Hillary.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:36 PM
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46. Obama is getting the most donations from troops..even more than McCain
I'll go with the soldiers vs. the officers, if it came down to choosing between the two.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:46 PM
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52. You mean the same fucking idiots who argued for us to be in Iraq?
You remember the war in Iraq, right? The fucking disaster that Hillary voted for?
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:49 PM
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54. Yeah, the ones who are also supporting Obama!
According to a poster on this thread. Why aren't you outraged about that? And it's NOT just enlisted people who support him, it's the BRASS!
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:49 PM
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53. Ohhhh Pet Rock! Where's your link & list of names, you lazy thing?!?!?!?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:53 PM
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58. Why would they since the weapons industry is supporting Clinton?


Thanks. That's a fabulous point of consideration for not supporting Clinton.

Little kids in Iraq and Iran thank you already for making that fine point and educating people.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:54 PM
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61. Have you seen the long list of military brass supporting Obama on this thread?
WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE? Hypocrisy anybody?
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:01 PM
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65. You're still here. So where's your link & list?
Still waiting.
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rexy Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:09 PM
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68. Wow.
You only posted this in the hopes that someone will contradict themselves in thinking military support for Clinton is wrong but not for Obama so you can scream and rant about all Obama supporters being hypocrites.

Drama llama. :rofl:

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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:14 PM
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72. NEWS FLASH ! OP says list of HRC's military supporters is filed w/HRC's tax returns
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 08:15 PM by Divernan
Pet Rock promises to produce her list of 18 high ranking officers by April 15th - maybe.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:58 PM
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63. Only those military who are retired and have integrity can publicly support Obama.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 08:00 PM by Divernan
Active duty military cannot make any political statements. You'll notice in the lists above of those military supporting Obama, many of them were in their military branch's Judge Advocate corps.

I worked with a bunch of Air Force JAG officers - got them to volunteer to work with law school students on moot court events - they are the best and brightest - really super people.

Maybe one day, in the not too distant future, Pet Rock, i.e., the Mouth of the South, will favor us with a list of the 18 officers he/she claims are supporting Clinton. We'll see if there are any Judge Advocate folks there. Because those are the military who understand what damage needs to be repaired to protect our military men and women, as well as the rest of us citizens who have had legal rights stripped away by Bush and his Supreme Court.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:13 PM
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71. The Brass may be behind HRC but the Troops are behind Obama - Link!
Obama, Paul net most military workers' campaign donations

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3601542

Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Ron Paul have little in common politically, except their opposition to the Iraq war.

Both top a new list of presidential candidates receiving campaign contributions from people who work for the four branches of the military and National Guard, according to a study released Thursday by the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics.

Obama, an Illinois senator, brought in more donations from this group than any White House contender from either party. The Democrat announced Wednesday his plan to withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of 2008.

.................

:kick:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:28 PM
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74. Here's some endorsements:
Military

* Clifford Alexander, Jr., former Secretary of the Army<83>
* Susan Ahn Cuddy, first female gunner officer in the U.S. Navy and daughter of Korean Independence fighter Ahn Chang-ho<90>
* Tom Daniels, Texas Air National Guard<83>
* Richard Danzig, former Secretary of the Navy<83>
* Donald Joseph Guter, former Judge Advocate General of the Navy, current Dean, Duquesne University School of Law, Pittsburgh<83>
* Richard D. Hearney, former Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps<83>
* John Hutson, former Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy<91>
* Jeh Johnson, former General Counsel of the U.S. Air Force<83>
* Lester Lyles, former Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force<83>
* Merrill A. McPeak, former Secretary of the United States Air Force<92><93>
* John B. Nathman, former Vice Chief of Naval Operations<83>
* F. Whitten Peters, former Secretary of the Air Force<83>
* James Smith, former Deputy Commander, Joint Warfare Center, US Joint Forces Command<83>


National Political Figures

* Jeffrey Bader, former U.S. Ambassador to Namibia and Fmr. Assistant US Trade Representative for Asia<83>
* Henri Barkey, former member of U.S. Department of State Policy Planning and Professor of Lehigh University<83>
* David Birenbaum, former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. for Management and Reform<83>
* Esther Brimmer, former member of U.S. Department of State Policy Planning<83>
* Art Brown, former National Intelligence Officer for East Asia and Chief of CIA's East Asian Operations Division<83>
* Mark Brzezinski, former Director of European Affairs of National Security Council<83>
* Joseph Cirincione, Vice President for National Security and International Policy at the Center for American Progress<83>
* Bonnie Cohen, former Undersecretary of State for Management<83>
* Ivo H. Daalder, former Director, European Affairs, National Security Council<83>
* Alice Dear, former U.S. Executive Director of African Development Bank<83>
* Michael Froman, Chief of Staff and Deputy Assistant Secretary at the Department of Treasury and National Security Council Staff Member<83>
* Tony Gambino, former Mission Director, USAID, Democratic Republic of the Congo<83>
* Tobi Gati, former Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research; Senior Director for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasian Affairs, National Security Council<83>
* Robert S. Gelbard, former Presidential Envoy for the Balkans; Assistant Secretary of State for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement; Ambassador to Indonesia; and Ambassador to Bolivia<83>
* John J. Gibbons, former federal appeals court judge<94>
* Matthew Goodman, former Director for Asian Affairs, National Security Council<83>
* Philip Gordon, former Director, European Affairs, National Security Council<83>
* Scott Gould, former Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Management<83>
* Scott Gration, former Director for Strategy, Policy and Planning, U.S. European Command<83>
* John Holum, former Director of ACDA and Undersecretary State for Arms Control and International Security<83>
* Vicki Huddleston, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and Ambassador to Mali and Madagascar, Chief of Mission to Cuba and Ethiopia<83>
* David Lipton, former Under Secretary of Treasury for International Affairs<83>
* Frank Loy, former Undersecretary of State for Global Affairs<83>
* Donald McHenry, former United States Ambassador to the United Nations<83>
* Norman Mineta, former U.S. Rep. (D-CA), mayor of San Jose, United States Secretary of Transportation and United States Secretary of Commerce<80>
* Newton N. Minow, former Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission<95>
* Alfred H. Moses, former United States Ambassador to Romania<83>
* Nick Rey, former United States Ambassador to Poland<83>
* Witney Schneidman, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs<83>
* Dan Shapiro, former Director, National Security Council<83>
* Mona Sutphen, former Special Assistant to the National Security Advisor<83>
* Jim Vermillion, former Mission Director, USAID, Nicaragua<83>
* Paul Volcker, former Chairman of the Federal Reserve<96>
* Patricia Wald, former Chief Judge for the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit<97>


lots more...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Barack_Obama_presidential_campaign_endorsements
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:38 PM
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79. Notice not a peep out of the OP about your list. Since his OP has been proven phony, the topic no
longer seems to interest him.
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:39 PM
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76. Maybe some military officers that agree with her IWR vote?
You guys are really getting desperate....
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