There's reason Clinton is unpopular.

[dailykoff]

In fact, there are many, many reasons. Has Hillary done ANYTHING in this campaign that warrants praise or even indifference? She started out badly and has been wallowing into the vilest, most shameful tactics in the book since she tanked in Iowa. Her campaign is a scandal and that's not even touching matters that can no longer be mentioned in GDP. And it's not touching her shameful record.

Yes, there are Democrats who think Islamofascism is real, bombing Iran is a good idea, and Bush is a good man. If you are one of those, I'm sorry you're offended. But don't expect the rest of us to play patty cake just because you're living in a TV-induced coma.

[Unsane]

1. She's hurting the party and our chances in down-ticket races.

But what does that matter to her?

[seabeyond]

8. i see higher in all things. even this. us dems will not allow rove/bushco politics

not who we are. wont have it in our party, or you turn us against. many of us would have easily voted for her if she won and werent set on obama. she cemented us to obama.

lesson learned.

when we hit republican bullshit campaigning, attack it for what it is. that is to media, but.... we really really really need all our other dems jumping on it (kerry will be kick ass) as soon as the first hint of rove bullshit starts.

[hueyshort]

28. Funny how she's winning

being as "unpopular" as she is.
ps - I like Hillary Clinton. And guess what, I'm educated.

[olkaz]

30. Winning what?

Not delegates. Not the popular vote so far.

I mean, come on. It's not true. Root for Hillary all you want, but don't lie.

[neverforget]

57. She's winning because Hillary said so. Forget the math and reality

it just gets in the way of their dream.

[seabeyond]

31. she isnt winning firstly. secondly, .... it has just been the last handful of days

since the weekend, but really i came in monday to start seeing it..... didnt take much time, two three days before people started yelling. wont take long to spread out. this isnt the way dems do things.

i dont do that snarky bull shit about educated or not. stupid stuff. i value the uneducated (but informed) way over the educated but stupid any day of the week....

[Mooney]

42. She's not winning.

She would need to be ahead in number of states won, vote count, or delegates (or some combination thereof) for that to be the case.

[Cha]

47. You may be "educated" but your

powers of observation are null and void or you condone the lies of miss hilary..so, either way, you're part of the problem.

[Occam Bandage]

55. Second place is the new "winning," apparently.

[seabeyond]

2. i want kerry. an a woman i would want to represent me..... teresa

thats a woman. man i wanted her first lady

[dailykoff]

10. Teresa is great!

She was one of the best parts of the Kerry campaign. Those two would have been dynamite in the White House, no doubt about it. And the haters couldn't let that happen.

[seabeyond]

because of her is why i learned to respect kerry. any man that could be married to that woman

had to be a good man.

[MercutioATC]

11. My cousin is a Republican Secret Service agent who guarded Theresa in 2004

He said she was a genuinely nice person.

[seabeyond]

14. she seemed like she was. thanks. n/t

[sandnsea]

17. The Kerry forum folks

will all want to send him our warmest regards. So many have met Teresa and how anybody ever labeled her snobby or elitist is beyond me. Him either. They are both so approachable. The last thing you have to be doing when you have half a billion dollars is slog around the country in order to get people interested in health and environemntal activism.

[MercutioATC]

19. I'll pass it along, but I'm afraid they won't be able to contact him directly...

...Secret Service and all :)

[sandnsea]

25. That would be nice

She really went out of her way on more than one occasion to include bloggers in various events. She is just a real gem and deserves every bit of the admiration so many people have for her.

[seabeyond]

20. we so needed him. they were so right. it is like 911 as bad as it was, was an opportunity

take the high road and big step forward in evolution. take the low road, two steps back. we chose the low road and paying for it. but i never worry about that cause opportunity always presents itself again. i just figure more people have lessons to learn

kerry was another opportunity. yet again we chose the low road.... some of us are still lagging behind, lol

[karynnj]

24. Kerry's never stopped fighting for those same things he spoke of then

So, much of what he was for in 2004, is what all the candidates ran on this time. I am impressed that he has spoken well of Obama on foreign policy - a lot of what Obama has said sounds somewhat like things Kerry has said.

My opinion of both Kerrys. always high, has continually risen impressed by their brilliance, commitment, and grace. They both looked very happy at the Boston rally for Obama last month.

[seabeyond]

33. coolest. thanks karynnj n/t

[karynnj]

51. Here's a nice article from earlier this week - about

how he and others dealt with losing. It shows what a well centered person he is. (as is Teresa). What becomes clear is that he wanted to win for what he could do for the country rather than for ego.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8811.html

[seabeyond]

54. win for country rather than for ego. ... came across, was obvious, yet

one of the things he was hit with. i thought it was odd how he would be hit at his greatest strengths and created in the opposite. was weird. hubby didnt want him. by end he really was impressed and so mad he lost. first time hubby voted dem. swore he would never vote for a repug again. even told me he was willing to vote clinton.... if need be, this time.

thanks for the article. will read

[Cha]

48. I can tell that from the 2004 Prez

race.

[Blondiegrrl]

53. Yeah, I like her.

[tekisui]

3. I am beginning to understand why so many dislike the Clintons.

[Oleladylib]

4. Because she's in your and every chauvanist(male and female)

face...I love it...It is the most renewed the party has been in 45 years.

[seabeyond]

12. so once again using her gender. i have see so much today. we have a sexist issue in

our society today that is bad and needs to be addressed and it is escalating. what you and others are doing, for hillary's benefit is going ot set us women way back. way back on an issue that must be addressed. and by abusing this you will do damage. it si all for hillary, regardless of what it does to a whole gender, a whole party, a nation.... it is all about hillary. fuck the florida and michigan voters. just hillary matters, everyone else is expendable.

and this is why people are tured off by hillary

[Growler]

23. Horseshit

I'm a "chauvanist" because I don't like Hillary? That's absurd. How's about getting a qualified female candidate for us to support, and _then call us "chauvanist" if we don't. Jeez...

[Mooney]

46. Actually it's because she voted for the war. n/t

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. Sure there is, Freepers hate the Clintons, always have.

[KAZ]

6. Actually, I've always liked the Clintons, especially Hilliary...

... I cheered for her at the Soldier Field debates. I said "hell yes" when she brought up the VRWC. Unfortunately, I was duped. Now, she's dead to me.

[Medusa]

27. I loved her too until she started this shit up

never again.

[bigtree]

7. unpopular HERE

I really don't expect you to acknowledge the almost equal amount (to Obama) of Americans who've already voted for her.

[youthere]

9. It gets worse..Have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

[dailykoff]

13. ha!

rick rolled again! :)

p.s. I'm on dialup at the moment but I can watch it tomorrow .. what is it anyway?

[youthere]

18. Never gonna' give you up...Never gonna' let you down.

[seabeyond]

16. k... dont know what has to do wth thread, i can be obtuse, but damn that was fun

i love that video. the coolest. really enjoyed

[Redbear]

15. Shes not unpopular . The last two national pollls have her favored over Obama

48-44%

A poll in February fund that 80% of Democrats like her and 80% also like Obama.

If you want to talk about GDP, yes she is not very popular here.

[DemGa]

21. Yes, Hillary's unpopular with latte liberals and Freepers

Regular Dems -- the base, love Hillary.

[Growler]

26. not going to work

> Regular Dems -- the base, love Hillary.

Good luck winning the GE with only that!

[DemGa]

34. You can't win without it -- and BO doesn't have it----NT

[dailykoff]

38. BO doesn't have Clinton's name but he's got something better:

a strong record, a dynamite message and talent. That's Hillary's microthin support evaporates wherever Obama shows up.

[Mooney]

49. I've been eligible to vote for 20 years,

and in every single election I've ever voted, I voted a straight Democratic ticket. Every single time. Now I keep hearing I'm not part of "the base," or I'm not a "regular Dem," just because I don't support or love Hillary Clinton.

What a gigantic steaming pile of horseshit.

[DemGa]

50. Well, Hillary's popular with the Dem base; what can I say?---NT

[Mooney]

59. You can start by not insinuating

that anyone who doesn't support HRC is not a "Real Dem."

[PurityOfEssence]

22. NOBODY's done anything as ugly as the McClurkin escapade

Not even close.

Not even close to being close. It shows true willingness to screw over any group for momentary advantage and it shows a grave danger of sucking up to religion in the political sphere.

The concept that he's taken the high road is ludicrous.

No, she hasn't done anything exceptional; she advanced a reasonable (better than his) health plan, but only after being pushed into it. The Iran vote was a horrible mistake, but he couldn't even show up to not vote, while he felt the righteous indignation to slag her endlessly for it. (He really got it right, though, in ways nobody else seemed to: the essential point was to reconfigure our military presence with an eye toward countering Iran, which is tantamount to pre-justifying a war.) She's evaded and equivocated her corporatist enabling, whereas he's effectively denied his when it's at least as bad. She's played sneaky little religious games, while he's brandished his theocratic yearnings in full view.

They're both a mixed bag, so pick your poison. Neither has the street cred to claim having really stood up to the reactionaries. Both are cagily able to be on all sides of all issues, but only he seems to publicly claim that this is some kind of virtue.

Neither has the moral highground, and whoever is given the reins will have some serious baggage to haul; the difference is that hers is stacked high and standing in full view, whereas his is coming in daily from every sidestreet, back alley and next-door neighbor.

Go ahead and claim some kind of relative superiority, but it's pretty damned unfounded. His is a faith-based candidacy, and we're supposed to just believe him, whereas hers is exactly the same.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

29. That and she's just irritating.

Like nails on a chalk board. The sliminess of Bill without the carmelized charm. She's at her strongest when she's doing things unscripted--when she went on the attack against both Edwards and Obama at their final debate. She was authentically passionate, and I liked it a lot.

[MonkeyFunk]

32. She's more popular than Obama among Democrats

your premise is stupid.

[seabeyond]

35. she was much more popular a couple days ago. keeps up the direction she is going

that is going to change. it is not helping her. she is all about self interest. it isnt working for her. fuck what it is or not doing to obama..... she is losing people with this. i swear, i wasnt so bothered with her and ok if she won just a couple days ago..... not anymore. and i am far from the only one.

[dailykoff]

36. That isn't what the polls show.

I haven't seen the two anomalous polls mentioned above but the overwhelming majority I have seen show Obama picking up support and Hillary losing it in every state they've shown up to campaign in.

I've also watched a few debates including that last two and unless they're predisposed to really dislike Obama I frankly can't see how anyone could deduce that Hillary would make the better president.

[MonkeyFunk]

39. It's exactly what the polls show

Just because you don't like her doesn't mean she's unpopular. The very notion is absurd.

[dailykoff]

41. Which polls? the one mentioned but not linked above?

Sorry, but if there's a poll taken yesterday or today showing Hillary leading somewhere, enjoy it while you can, because it's an anomaly.

[RememberWellstone]

37. Damn

more whinning? WHen does it end? You want a bottle of warm milk tonight?

[dailykoff]

40. Thanks but I'll pass on the milk.

I'm just trying to explain to the don't-hate-on-Hillary people why she's so intensely disliked.

[BlueStater]

43. Or maybe Obama is just a big wuss who can't handle the most miniscule amount of criticism

I was around in 2004, as I assume you were too. I saw REAL disgusting attacks. The stuff that has been happening in the primary doesn't even come close to touching it.

[Renew Deal]

44. I don't even feel bad for her supporters anymore.

If they are still with her after all this shit, it says more about them and that's not a good thing.

[Cha]

45. hilary was nothing to begin with..

starting with that shameful record you mentioned..that's why she had to go so negative like the bushits. What did bush have to offer that rove couldn't turn into silk purse?

[Blondiegrrl]

52. There are many reasons to dislike her, in particular her complete disregard

for the voters in the "unimportant" states. How wonderful it must feel to be a resident of Iowa, Idaho, Vermont, Illinois, South Carolina, Virginia, etc., and to be told that you don't matter. For a few hours there, it looked like Missouri might matter, but it turns out, it doesn't after all.

I also hate the way she mocks and belittles Obama's supporters. Is that any way to woo voters, in particular those Obama supporters who might be waffling? More importantly, should she (God forbid) win the Democratic nomination, is that any way to convince those voters to support her in the GE?

You know who else mirrors that attitude? George W. Bush. And look what a smashing job he's done of pulling the country together. :eyes:

[Major Hogwash]

56. We'll lose some Representatives in the House if this goes on much longer.

No one is going to ask either Hillary or Bubba to campaign for them.

It's getting to the point that it is too risky to have photo ops taken with them.

[BenDavid]

58. damn, she must be doing something right to be only 3,000 votes

behind......and the problem with obama becoming the nominee is he loses so many that will go over to the mccain camp and that is 14% women and 20% men and this is not from the hrc camp....so obama has a problem...if he wins the nomination and florida and michigan are not seated then he loses florida and michigan and I say if this happens let obama have the nomination, and hrc can come back in 2012....