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Nine Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:10 PM
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"She just wouldn't lose"
Yes, that is an actual quote from an Obama supporter on another thread. That's the REAL reason they hate Hillary. Oh, if only she would drop out! If only she would not point out any of Obama's weaknesses! If only she would just stop trying to win!

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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:11 PM
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1. If only she quit supporting McCain
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 11:12 PM by mth44sc
That might be nice...

I think Democrats might get behind that one.
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Nine Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:20 PM
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11. if only you and others would stop lying about that (nt)
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:38 PM
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13. If only you would get
your head out of your ass...

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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:45 PM
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21. If only Obama would stop supporting Reagan. eom
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:54 PM
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25. Oh hell I'm game
name me a few Reagan policies Obama supports...

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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:14 AM
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28. Were you living in a cave in January? He loves him some Raygun.
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ExtraGriz Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:58 AM
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35. obama's hero is raygun
he admitted it a while ago...suck it up and get your head out of your ass.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:43 PM
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17. gads, --why would you even think she supports mccain? the very idea is sickening!
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:08 PM
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42. Maybe because she thinks she is more like McCain then she is to Obama
and that McCain would make a better President then her fellow democrat. Don't pound your fists on reality too hard rodeo.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:21 AM
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30. Why do you lie?
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:11 PM
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2. She just CANNOT WIN in the general election
that's a quote from me - a former Edwards and Biden supporter
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:14 PM
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4. Can he?
Beats me.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:31 PM
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12. at least he starts out without the conservative right completely HATING him, she does not.
They WILL come out just to defeat her.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:01 AM
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26. Sure, but think how many women will vote for her
It's a big, unanswered question, isn't it? How many conservative women will stick it to their domineering thug husbands when the curtain's drawn, women who'd otherwise NEVER consider voting for the commoners? How many undecided women will feel the call?

It's a hell of a constituency: 51% of the electorate. The only constituency Obama really has in his pocket is the black vote, and it's only 12.5% of the electorate and already goes over 90% Democratic.

Another thing is the mutual energizing of the electorate: were she the candidate, the pure ugliness from the right will galvanize many of the vehement Obama supporters who SWEAR up and down that they'll never vote for her, and many others will be swept up in the current. These things aren't just one-sided; when one side really gets a hate on, it spurs plenty of resistance...

It's all very interesting, but it's also very important.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:14 AM
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38. Hello ~ do we count? I'm an African American Woman

and I plan to vote.

And I do not plan to vote for HC because she is not my ideal woman at all.

She would step on any other woman on earth to get what she wants - the woman is power mad.

I would love to see a woman President! Love to see Barbara Boxer as President.

Now she is class all the way.

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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:04 AM
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40. Of all the women I know (including me) only ONE will vote for her
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ExtraGriz Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:59 AM
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36. nah, he cant win the GE
polls have shown 20% of democrats defecting to vote for mccain or sit out the GE
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:15 PM
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7. This ol' Edwards supporter
agrees with you. Ken Starr - Amazing...

Her campaign is filled with the most gads awful people around. Do people really want folk like that within a country mile of the White House?


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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:13 PM
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3. Uh-oh, you will be roasted for this one.

Stirring Obamanxiety is a no-no! :evilgrin:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:15 PM
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5. "She just wouldn't lose"
Like a punch drunk boxer hanging on the ropes.

The Ref is going to count her out soon just so she doesnt collapse.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:15 PM
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6. If only she had the experience that she says she has........
But she doesn't!


HILLARY’S Commander In Chief Experience - The Red Phone Test

LISTING HILLARY CLINTON'S RED PHONE EXPERIENCE
ON NATIONAL SECURITY CRISIS



Tracing Hillary Clinton's '35 Years' of Experience


All Things Considered, January 24, 2008  When Hillary Clinton makes a campaign appearance, she almost certainly will highlight her experience — 35 years, she says — as one of her qualifications for president.

But Clinton is a little less specific when it comes to describing what exactly she was doing in the years before she became a U.S. senator in 2001.

Suzanne Goldenberg is author of a new book about Clinton, Madam President, and a U.S. correspondent for the British newspaper The Guardian.

Goldenberg says it's difficult to see how Clinton calculates her 35 years of public service, since her fulltime job for many years was working for a corporate law firm in Arkansas.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18391632


After earning her JD from Yale, Clinton worked as a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in DC. In 1974 she failed the DC Bar Exam and decided to move to Arkansas where Bill was running for congress. He did not succeed in this campaign. Both of them took jobs with the Arkansas University, Fayetteville Law School. By 1977, Bill had won the Arkansas Attorney General campaign and Hillary had earned a job with the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock. She continued to be involved politically, urging new laws to recognize children's rights, but her law practice focused on Patent Infringement and Intellectual Property law, though she rarely set foot in a court room. http://doubledemon.newsvine.com/_news/2008/02/06/1282777-obamas-experience-vs-clintons-experience?groupId=1675


Children’s Defense Fund -


Hillary Clinton & the Children's Defense Fund
http://www.peterglenshaw.com/peter_glenshaw_weblog/2008/01/hillary-clinton.html

How Hillary Clinton Betrayed the Children's Defense Fund for Political Gain:
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/034


While Clinton touts her decision to come out of law school and work not for Wall Street but rather for the Children's Defense Fund, the truth is that she spent only a year there. (And then omitted her mentor Marian Wright Edelman from among the 400 others she mentions in the acknowledgemets of her autobiography because Edelman had broken with her when Bill Clinton abolished the federal welfare saftey net in 1996).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-cooper/hillarys-5-million-dump_b_85534.html




She was twice named to the list of “The 100 Most Influential Lawyers in America.” She also represented and later served on the board of Arkansas businesses including TCBY ("Too Good to Be Yoghurt"), and Wal-Mart. As First Lady of Arkansas for twelve years, she chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee, co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, Legal Services, and the Children's Defense Fund. Mrs. Clinton wrote a weekly newspaper column entitled "Talking It Over."
http://www.firstladies.org/biographies/firstladies.aspx?biography=43


Wal-Mart


Hillary Clinton and Wal-Mart: A Love Story
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0207-34.htm

Wal-Mart’s First Lady
Hillary’s Past Belies Her Support of Labor

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0021,harkavy,15052,5.html

WalMart Board - 1990





Clinton campaign downplays a large part of her career
By MATT STEARNS
McClatchy-Tribune

WASHINGTON — To hear Hillary Clinton talk, she's spent her entire career putting her Yale Law School degree to work for the common good.

She routinely tells voters that she's "been working to bring positive change to people's lives for 35 years." She told a voter in New Hampshire: "I've spent so much of my life in the nonprofit sector."

The overall portrait is of a lifelong, selfless do-gooder. The whole story is more complicated — and less flattering.
Clinton worked at the Children's Defense Fund for less than a year, and that's the only full-time job in the nonprofit sector she's ever had. She also worked briefly as a law professor.

Clinton spent the bulk of her career — 15 of those 35 years — at one of Arkansas' most prestigious corporate law firms, where she represented big companies and served on corporate boards....
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5510369.html




Rose Law Firm



Clinton joined Rose in 1976, becoming the venerable firm's first full female partner in 1979, and she continued to work for Rose after husband Bill became governor of Arkansas.

Rose Law Firm focuses primarily on corporate litigation and transactions. She worked primarily on patent infringement and intellectual property litigation, though she did not do much court work. Rose Law Firm is well entrenched in Arkansas' business and political institutions.
http://doubledemon.newsvine.com/_news/2008/02/06/1282777-obamas-experience-vs-clintons-experience?groupId=1675


the Task Force on National Health Care Reform, headed by First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton


First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton was charged with coming up with a comprehensive plan to provide universal health care for all Americans, which was to be a cornerstone of the administration's first-term agenda.

Hillary Clinton's leading role in this project was unprecedented for a presidential spouse.<11><12> This unusual decision by President Clinton to put his wife in charge of the project has been attributed to several factors, including the President's desire to emphasize his personal commitment to the enterprise.<12>

The First Lady's role in the secret proceedings of the Health Care Task Force also sparked litigation in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, in relation to the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA) which requires openness in government. The Clinton White House argued that the Recommendation Clause in Article II of the U.S. Constitution would make it unconstitutional to apply the procedural requirements of FACA to Hillary's participation in the meetings of the Task Force. Some constitutional experts argued to the court that such a legal theory was not supported by the text, history, or structure of the Constitution.<13>Ultimately, Hillary Clinton won the litigation when the D.C. Circuit ruled narrowly that the First Lady of the United States can be deemed a government official (and not a mere private citizen) for purposes of not having to comply with the procedural requirements of FACA.<14>

In 1993, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, along with several other groups, filed a lawsuit against Hillary Clinton and Donna Shalala? over closed-door meetings related to the health care plan. The AAPS sued to gain access to the list of members of the task force. Judge Royce C. Lamberth found in favor of the plaintiffs and awarded $285,864 to the AAPS for legal costs; Lamberth also harshly criticized the Clinton administration and Clinton aide Ira Magaziner in his ruling.<15> Subsequently, a federal appeals court overturned the award and the initial findings on the basis that Magaziner and the administration had not acted in bad faith.<16>

Starting on September 28, 1993, Hillary Clinton appeared for several days of testimony before five congressional committees on health care.<9> Opponents of the bill organized against it before it was presented to the Democratic-controlled Congress on November 20, 1993.<9> The bill was a complex proposal running more than 1,000 pages, the core element of which was an enforced mandate for employers to provide health insurance coverage to all of their employees through competitive but closely-regulated health maintenance organizations (HMOs).

The 1994 mid-term election became a "referendum on big government — Hillary Clinton had launched a massive health-care reform plan that wound up strangled by its own red tape."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Clinton_health_care_plan





Ireland




The Facts
Chris Thornton, a political reporter for the Belfast Telegraph, said that Hillary Clinton's visits to northern Ireland contributed to the "mood music" that made an eventual settlement possible, but were hardly key to reaching an agreement. "Would we have reached a settlement without that kind of stuff? Yes. Would we have got one without the intervention of Bill Clinton and George Mitchell? No."

Hillary is making a lot more of her Northern Ireland role on the campaign trail than she did in her memoir "Living History." As the Boston Globe recently noted, her stories of bringing Protestant and Catholic women together have become more dramatic with each retelling. The claim that she brought Catholics and Protestants together "for the first time" seems dubious. This would not be the first time that she has mixed up her chronology.

The Pinocchio Test
Hillary Clinton seems to be overstating her significance as a catalyst in the Northern Ireland peace process, which was more symbolic than substantive. On the other hand, she did play a helpful role at the margins, by encouraging organizations like Vital Voices, a women's group that takes a stand against extremism. One Pinocchio for exaggeration.


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/01/clinton_and_northern_ireland.html






China


During a 1995 visit to Beijing, at a time when her husband's administration was trying to press China on human rights, Sen. Clinton made a speech condemning abuses.


Kosovo


In May of 1999, she was in Macedonia visiting refugee camps near the Kosovo border and meeting with Macedonia's president and prime minister.

Sources with knowledge of her visit say she discussed the refugees' plight with those leaders. It's not clear how much she helped since CNN reported at the time that Macedonia reopened its border to Kosovar refugees before Clinton's visit.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/06/clinton.foreign.fact/




Senator From New York


Upon entering the United States Senate, Clinton maintained a low public profile, built relationships with senators from both parties and forged alliances with religiously-inclined senators by becoming a regular participant in the Senate Prayer Breakfast.

Clinton has served on five Senate committees: Committee on Budget (2001–2002), Committee on Armed Services (since 2003), Committee on Environment and Public Works (since 2001),<207> Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (since 2001) and Special Committee on Aging.
She is also a Commissioner of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (since 2001).


Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Clinton sought to obtain funding for the recovery efforts in New York City and security improvements in her state. Working with New York's senior senator, Charles Schumer, she was instrumental in quickly securing $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center site's redevelopment. She subsequently took a leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders.

Clinton voted for the USA Patriot Act in October 2001. In 2005, when the act was up for renewal, she worked to address some of the civil liberties concerns with it, before voting in favor of a compromise renewed act in March 2006 that gained large majority support.

Clinton strongly supported the 2001 U.S. military action in Afghanistan, saying it was a chance to combat terrorism while improving the lives of Afghan women who suffered under the Taliban government.

Clinton voted in favor of the October 2002 Iraq War Resolution.

In September 2007 she voted in favor of a Senate resolution calling on the State Department to label the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps "a foreign terrorist organization", which passed 76-22.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton



she opposes the international treaty to ban land mines.

She voted against the Feinstein-Leahy amendment last September restricting U.S. exports of cluster bombs to countries that use them against civilian-populated areas.

She opposes restrictions on U.S. arms transfers and police training to governments that engage in gross and systematic human rights abuses, such as Egypt, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Israel, Pakistan, Cameroon and Chad, to name only a few.

She has challenged the credibility of Amnesty International and other human rights groups that criticize policies of the United States and its allies.
Mrs. Clinton has been one of the Senate’s most outspoken critics of the United Nations, even serving as the featured speaker at rallies outside U.N. headquarters in July 2004 and last summer to denounce the world body.

She was one of the most prominent critics of the International Court of Justice for its landmark 2004 advisory ruling that the Fourth Geneva Conventions on the Laws of War is legally binding on all signatory nations.

She condemned the United Nations’ judicial arm for challenging the legality of Israel’s separation barrier in the occupied West Bank and sponsored a Senate resolution “urging no further action by the United Nations to delay or prevent the construction of the security fence.”

Mrs. Clinton has shown little regard for the danger from proliferation of nuclear weapons, not only opposing the enforcement of U.N. Security Council resolutions challenging Pakistan, Israel and India’s nuclear weapons programs but supporting the delivery of nuclear-capable missiles and jet fighters to these countries. This past fall she voted to suspend important restrictions on U.S. nuclear cooperation with countries that violate the Non-Proliferation Treaty.

At the same time, she insists that the prospect of Iran’s developing nuclear weapons “must be unacceptable to the entire world,” since challenging the nuclear monopoly of the United States and its allies in the region would somehow “shake the foundation of global security to its very core.”

She accused the Bush administration of not taking the threat of a nuclear Iran seriously enough, criticized the administration for allowing European nations to take the lead in pursuing a diplomatic solution and insisted that the United States should make it clear that military options were still being actively considered.
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0309-23.htm














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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:17 PM
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8. hilalry's is depicable with her lying and her
campaigning for mccain..but, let her stay in ..let her drag herself down.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:17 PM
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9. If only she would stop trying to steal the nomination
if only she would stop praising a Republican at the expense of a fellow Democrat.

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:14 AM
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27. But it is okay when Obama puts Reagan on a pedestal?
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:19 PM
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10. Perspective, please. That is one person.
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Nine Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:44 PM
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20. true
But it's a perfect summation of what I see reflected in so many posts around here. Like the whole phone ad - a perfectly ordinary ad, but some people couldn't stand that she dared to suggest she would be better in a crisis. She hadn't even mentioned Obama. And the repeated calls for her to drop out when they're practically neck and neck right now.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:41 PM
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14. Probably should read
just won't lose gracefully.

She's already lost. I have yet to see a realistic way for her to wein without Super Delegates overturning 6 months of elections to give her a pyrrhic victory. The Supers aren't stupid enough to do it.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:42 PM
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15. Yup
that's the basis of their complaint, no matter what they say.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:43 PM
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16. If only she would stop voting for the Patriot Act! n/t
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:43 PM
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18. Oh, if only people would just stop voting for her! Too much voting!
Welcome to DU, btw. :)
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:44 PM
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19. They just don't get it. Clinton will NOT go away. She will stand and fight.
Sounds simplistic, but the Obama suporters had better gird their loins.

She is NOT going to quit. She is going to win.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:23 AM
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32. Yes she will.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:38 AM
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34. 2-1--the american people want her to stay in the rece
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:53 PM
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44. 2-1 Democrats at that! Thanks for reminding me. isn't it amazing how...
obama supporters want so desperately for her to drop out so that even though the majority of dems don't want that? not very democratic of them.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:45 PM
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22. If only Barack traded his dlegates with Gore for VP slot.=)
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 11:46 PM by barack the house
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:48 PM
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23. She won't win, either.
That's why her stubborn refusal to see reality makes me sad for the party and for the country.

:(

-Laelth
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:50 PM
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24. Ha!
Hi and welcome to D.U. :hi:

It's crazy isn't it!??They know she has what it takes to win this thing.The Leaders see she's winning where it counts,that if this were the General she would be so far ahead of Obama that he woulda dropped out after March 4th.

Don't worry about it.They're insecure,they know their man isn't qaulified,that's why they scream and yell and try to shout everyone down,especially new members like yourself.

Hang tough cuz Hillary is.She will be Our next President,I have no doubt :evilgrin:
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:15 AM
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29. You have to forgive these people, they don't know what it is like to back a fighter.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:22 AM
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31. They hate Hillary because she has no superior strengths other than false "experiences"
If anyone's the "empty suit", it's her.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:23 AM
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33. She WILL lose.
Either to Obama or McCain. But a Clinton will not be the next US president. Count on it.
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ExtraGriz Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:05 AM
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37. they're scared of hillary
the obama hate meter went thru the roof after she kicked his ass this week...hillary just received 6 millions in 2 days, she's in until the convention.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:16 AM
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39. If only she were a better candidate
and a better Democrat...

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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:06 PM
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41. Let us all give a hand to the Presidential Pretenders ....
In this corner pretending to be Barry Goldwater,
Hillary 'Daisycutter' Clinton :woohoo:

in this corner pretending to be John Kennedy,
Barrack 'Audacity' Obama :woohoo:

and this corner pretending to be Richard Nixon,
John 'Bombiran' McCain:woohoo:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:51 PM
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43. True. Bill Clinton's answer to "why do they hate you?"
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:54 PM
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45. How are her xeroxing skills?



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