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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:33 PM
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Nobel winner: Hillary Clinton's "silly" Irish peace claims - A "cheerleader" not a principle player
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 09:34 PM by jefferson_dem
Nobel winner: Hillary Clinton's "silly" Irish peace claims
By Toby Harnden in Washington
Last Updated: 2:13am GMT 08/03/2008

Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.

"I don’t know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don’t want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

Mrs Clinton has made Northern Ireland key to her claims of having extensive foreign policy experience, which helped her defeat Barack Obama in Ohio and Texas on Tuesday after she presented herself as being ready to tackle foreign policy crises at 3am.

"I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland," she told CNN on Wednesday. But negotiators from the parties that helped broker the Good Friday Agreement in 1998 told The Daily Telegraph that her role was peripheral and that she played no part in the gruelling political talks over the years.

Lord Trimble shared the Nobel Peace Prize with John Hume, leader of the nationalist Social Democratic and Labour Party, in 1998. Conall McDevitt, an SDLP negotiator and aide to Mr Hume during the talks, said: "There would have been no contact with her either in person or on the phone. I was with Hume regularly during calls in the months leading up to the Good Friday Agreement when he was taking calls from the White House and they were invariably coming from the president."

Central to Mrs Clinton’s claim of an important Northern Ireland role is a meeting she attended in Belfast in with a group of women from cross-community groups. "I actually went to Northern Ireland more than my husband did," she said in Nashua, New Hampshire on January 6th.

<SNIP>

There is no record of a meeting at Belfast City Hall, though Mrs Clinton attended a ceremony there when her husband turned on the Christmas tree lights in November 1995. The former First Lady appears to be referring a 50-minute event the same day, arranged by the US Consulate, the same day at the Lamp Lighter Café on the city’s Ormeau Road.

The "Belfast Telegraph" reported the next day that the café meeting was crammed with reporters, cameramen and Secret Service agents. Conversation "seemed a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times" and Mrs Clinton admired a stainless steel tea pot, which was duly given to her, for keeping the brew "so nice and hot".

<SNIP>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:34 PM
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1. She wants to hitch her wagon to the good stuff Bill did...
and ignore the bad.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:35 PM
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2. "silly"? that's sexist!
:sarcasm:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:36 PM
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3. She just got owned.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:39 PM
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4. How long before ClintonInc sends in the goons to kneecap Nobel Winner Lord Trimble?
:shrug:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:33 AM
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34. she's an exaggerator
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:42 PM
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5. When Lord Trimble speaks Hillary trembles
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:43 PM
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6. a "wee bit silly"
don't you think Hillary?

:rofl: :rofl:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:43 PM
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7. Whatever she did, it's 1000 times more than BO
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:44 PM
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9. Did he claim to bring peace to Ireland?
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:45 PM
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11. You can't even admit that she SERIOUSLY EXAGGERATED her claims?
This makes her look BAD.
God forbid you admit that she can do any wrong.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:46 PM
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12. Yeah! I pity Obama for not having the chance to admire that teapot...
We all know the true value in finding a kettle that can keep the brew "so nice and hot".

Maybe Obama can have Hillary pick out the official WH teapot once he is sworn in.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:55 AM
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24. So a lie is better than nothing?
I'm sure if Obama had been first spouse he'd have taken a few trips too.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:44 PM
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8. "I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland."
Fucking absurd.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:44 PM
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10. uffda!
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:46 PM
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13. Hey, I helped the Blue Jays with the World Series in '93!
Please crown me Manager of the Yankees. And I will not accept a caucus.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:56 PM
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16. I helped The Clash become the "Greatest Band in the World"...
I saw them at the Agora Ballroom in Atlanta, Fall 1979, just prior to the release of London Calling. Without my support, no way they would have become "all that."
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:57 PM
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18. I helped the Red Sox win the pennant in 2004 when all hope seemed lost.
I never stopped believing in them. Without my support, it never would've happened.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:05 PM
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19. I can top that!
They won in 2007 because I refused to wash my Schilling t-shirt until the end of the playoffs!
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:31 PM
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21. I caused the Yankees to lose in 2007 by not showering for three weeks straight.
:crazy:
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:52 AM
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23. Is that what the smell was?
I just assumed it was New Jersey...
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:48 PM
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14. We don't need another cheerleader

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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:52 PM
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15. Heh, so it turns out that Hillary wasn't being entirely truthful, was she?
It's like 'inventing the internet,' but this time it's legitimate.
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:57 PM
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17. Clinton really will say anything to win. it's pathetic. /nt
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:07 PM
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20. Can't wait to see how this Lie is spun.
n/t
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:41 PM
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22. kick.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:58 AM
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25. I've said it before and I'll say it again...her experience argument
is bullshit lol. But I don't think people have been buying it this election season anyway. If they wanted someone experienced they would have chosen Joe Biden or Bill Richardson.
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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:58 AM
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26. I *am* Irish
am resident in Ireland. I can tell you that she played a significant if low key role in the Irish Peace process. Trimble has a chip on his shoulder - like many posters here, it must be said.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:01 AM
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27. she says she helped, the article says she helped
big shit
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laban Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:22 AM
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28. John Hume Nobel laureate: She played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace
\"I am quite surprised that anyone would suggest that Hillary Clinton did not perform important foreign policy work as first lady. I can state from firsthand experience that she played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland,\" said former SDLP leader and Nobel laureate John Hume is a statement responding to critical press reports.


\"She visited Northern Ireland, met with very many people and gave very decisive support to the peace process. In private she made countless calls and contacts, speaking to leaders and opinion makers on all sides, urging them to keep moving forward,\" said Hume.


This would appear to be an important point. Press-based criticism of Senator Clinton has been based on the public record, and what has been recorded by both Clintons in their respective autobiographies.


Hillary, some would certainly argue, knows more than what has been made public thus far about what went on behind the scenes as the peace process gathered steam.

http://www.irishecho.com/newspaper/story.cfm?id=18626
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:32 AM
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29. There's peace in Northern Ireland?
Seriously, this is just a case of certain foreigners trying to make themselves important off the primary season.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:37 AM
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30. jefferson_dem: Please note the DU copyright rules
Excerpts of copyrighted material should be limited to four paragraphs.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:43 AM
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31. John Hume -Nobel, Gandi Peace & Martin Luther King Award vs Baron Trimble
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 09:44 AM by Alamom
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965993


Nobel Peace Prize , Gandhi Peace Prize, Martin Luther King Award. The only winner of all three Awards

speaks along with others: Hillary's Irish Leagacy

John Hume

I included both men's bio below due to Baron Trimble giving a different opinion


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hume
(SDLP)
John Hume (born 18 January 1937) is a former Northern Irish politician, founding member of the Social Democratic and Labour Party and co-recipient of the 1998 Nobel Peace Prize, with David Trimble.

He was the second leader of the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP), a position he held from 1979 until 2001. He has served as a Member of the European Parliament and a Member of Parliament for Foyle, as well as a member of the Northern Ireland Assembly.

He is regarded as one of the most important figures in the modern political history of Northern Ireland and one of the architects of the Northern Ireland peace process there. He is also a recipient of the Gandhi Peace Prize and the Martin Luther King Award, the only recipient of the three major peace awards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Trimble


(Conservatist Party)
William David Trimble, Baron Trimble, PC(born 15 October 1944), is a politician from Northern Ireland who served as leader of the Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) and the first First Minister of Northern Ireland. He shared the 1998 Nobel Peace Prize with John Hume of the Social Democratic and Labour Party. He served as Member of Parliament for Upper Bann from 1990 until 2005, when he was defeated in the British general election and resigned the leadership of the UUP soon afterwards. On 6 June 2006 he became a member of the House of Lords as The Right Honourable William David Trimble by the name, style and title of Baron Trimble, of Lisnagarvey in the County of Antrim.<1> On 17 April 2007 he announced that he was to leave the UUP and join the Conservative Party.<2>


edgr
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:43 AM
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32. Thanks...K&R
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:03 AM
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33. Translation from polite Irish: "She's a wee bit of a bald faced liar" nt
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Cogito ergo doleo Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:44 AM
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35. K&R
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:45 AM
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36. No surprise here. nm
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:54 AM
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37. HIllary in Ireland:
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 11:57 AM by wlucinda
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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:59 AM
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38. Trimble
is a sectarian and a has-been who got his Nobel prize on John Hume's coat tails.
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