I think Obama supporters are upset that their guy didn't think of the 3 AM phone call first

[mtnsnake]

Wow was that the ad ever effective!

Then again, a commercial like that wouldn't have worked for Obama. It only works for candidates who have attained real-life experience and know-how.

Anyway, the ad worked for her. In one week, Hillary went from being behind Obama in the national Democratic polls to ahead of him among all Democrats across the nation.

The other good thing about the ad is that McCain will never be able to use a similar ad against Hillary when he runs against her in the General Election because she has already gotten word out there that she can handle those calls, and she convinced the American people that she is competent when it comes to national security. The lady is always thinking ahead. :smoke:

[tabatha]

1. Nope. He would never have used it.

It is the old politics of fear.
That is NOT what he about - from the beginning of his campaign he has decried people who use 911 for political gain.

So many people JUST MAKE STUFF up.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

5. He Did Use It.

He sent it right back, but with his own commentary.

[JackORoses]

71. but would he have originated it? nope.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

74. Doesn't Matter. He Used It.

[JackORoses]

84. actually, it does matter. You must not be a fan of context. Most Hillarites aren't.

Yet you still go on vainly defending the indefensible.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

86. Doesn't Matter. He Used It.

It may make Hillary in more violation, but he's still in violation. Acting like he's clean is highly ignorant.

[mtnsnake]

7. With his lack of experience, he couldn't have used it if he wanted to.

[flpoljunkie]

41. Hillary, like Bush, aims to win the nomination by fear mongering. Shame on you, Hillary Clinton!

Aren't we sick enough of Bush/Cheney fearmongering? It may work in the short run now, but it is a long way to the nomination. It is despicable and it will backfire.

[mtnsnake]

"Fear mongering" is just how Obama supporters are defining it. The real world calls it "reality"

that she is ready to be Commander in Chief. Why the heck SHOULDN'T she take advantage of her competence? Anyone in her position would do the same.

[flpoljunkie]

51. What competence? What experience. Josh Marshall agrees...

Bringing It On Herself

The ChiTrib looks at Clinton's claims of foreign policy experience. And the verdict is not a good one. I refer back to my point from yesterday -- she doesn't need to be a seasoned foreign policy hand. But she's setting herself up for a fall when she claims to be.

--Josh Marshall

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/182303.php

[mtnsnake]

64. Here's a quickie: She's been to Iraq several times on fact-finding missions

with other Congresspeople. Only in Obama World would that not count. Jeesh.

[flpoljunkie]

67. Sorry, visiting the Green Zone does not qualify.

[mtnsnake]

68. yeah, that's why she had to dress in full armor during her last trip

and have a ton of military security protecting her.

[flpoljunkie]

73. Standard operating procedure.

[UndergroundEcoHound]

80. Maybe...

Maybe she wouldn't have to visit Iraq so much if she didn't abet the invasion. I think I would feel terrible enough as the death toll keeps rising to spend a little bit of time there.

[UndergroundEcoHound]

79. As has been said before...

If her role as First Lady is to be included in experience, was she not in the White House to answer calls regarding the lives of over one million Rwandans? I forget...to be a Hillary supporter nowadays you have to go into mental lock-down and pick and choose through all the "experience."

[rodeodance]

48. Our nation does face real threats out there. Stop with the dismissing of these threats

[mtnsnake]

54. Amen

I'm glad that one of our candidates' supporters are taking this "national security" issue very seriously. Thank goodness that out there in the real world, the majority of mainstream American Democrats are also taking it much more seriously than most of the disillusioned groupies here on DU.

[UndergroundEcoHound]

82. "disillusioned groupies"

Kettle met pot.

[SOS]

56. This ad ran in 1984, different scary enemy, same hack consultant

"The most awesome, powerful responsibility in the world lies in the hand that picks up this phone. The idea of an unsure, unsteady, untested hand is something to really think about. This is the issue of our times. On March 20, vote as if the future of the world is at stake. Mondale. This president will know what he's doing, and that's the difference between Gary Hart and Walter Mondale."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Mondale_Red_Phone.html

[SoCalDem]

61. and we all remember President Mondale, don't we?

:rofl:

[Hippo_Tron]

100. Yea, he was sooo ready to take on Raygun in November

Just like Hillary is ready to take on McCain in November.

[rodeodance]

76. too bad

[SOS]

91. Recycling the ads of failed campaigns is too bad.

[BumRushDaShow]

2. Pure

Rovian tactics. Of course one of the actresses in the 8-year old stock footage used in that ad is an Obama supporter. LOL

[Nitrogenica]

3. I disagree, if the election is about National Security, McCain

has a chance to win.

"The other good thing about the ad is that McCain will never be able to use a similar ad against Hillary when he runs against her in the General Election because she has already gotten word out there that she can handle those calls."

You think that the Republicans won't? That line is completely insane.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. He wouldn't have thought of it because he doesn't use fear to motivate people

like Republicans do.

[maddiejoan]

14. Mondale was a republican?

who knew?

[SOS]

59. Mondale was trying to scare people from voting for Gary Hart

Same crappy ad, different year.

[mtnsnake]

20. Hillary wasn't using fear. She was using trust

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

32. Right.

:rofl:

That was one of the most blatantly fear-based ads I've ever seen. Karl Rove couldn't have done better himself.

[SoCalDem]

57. Trust.. as in she's been up many times at 3AM waiting for a call from her husband?

:) so she would already be up?

[rodeodance]

89. its none of your business what she does at 3 am with her husband.

[SoCalDem]

92. She made it our business.. Hell she made a COMMERCIAL

to TELL us what she does/would do at 3:00 AM :rofl:

[Nitrogenica]

34. I'm sure he's chosen not to do that . It doesn't take a genius to do

that you know.

[Bake]

87. It's not fear, it's reality.

You're just pissed that your guy didn't think of it first. Outflanked again.

Bake

[ellacott]

6. What's stopping McCain from using a similar ad?

That makes no sense. Just because she put out a ad doesn't make it true. Some people may believe it now but McCain can use that ad to make a mockery of her claim, just like many of the editorial cartoons have already done.

[mtnsnake]

9. Nothing is stopping him, but Hillary just took all the effectiveness out of it for him if he does

because she used it before he could.

It's called being one step ahead of the opposition.

[ellacott]

27. So untrue

There is still a lot than will be done to negate the "effectiveness" of that ad.

To think that just because she put the ad out first means anything is naive.

[RazBerryBeret]

28. if you wanna believe that..

I'm sure I'll see it again, from McCain...
I've seen it before....just another throw back to the past.
I'm from Ohio, it didn't sway me or my friends.....

[ellacott]

36. I agree with you

This ad has been used in many variations. I was not swayed either. I feel that since Hillary used it has no bearing on whether it would be used again, this time against her.

[Hippo_Tron]

101. Yea, when Mondale used it against Hart it totally prevented Reagan from using it against him

:eyes:

[Not the Only One]

8. that last paragraph is perfect sarcasm

Because, as you know, there has already been a poll that has said that McCain wins the "who do you want answering the phone" poll among all 3 candidates. It was just as stupid when Mondale made the argument in the Spring and voters said Reagan in November of 1984.

[Dinger]

10. You, My Hubby Said That A Few Days Ago.

And he voted for Obama, and now regrets it.

[Bluerthanblue]

11. no, personally I'm 'upset' because it proved Hillary is as unprincipled,

desperate, and dishonest as I suspected she might be.

It is always upsetting to find out people are not what they pretend to be-

McCain would bury Hillary on experience and you and she know it. That is one of her weakest points.
Experience that is less than favorable is not something people use to their favor unless they have nothing else to work with.

:shrug:

you seem to be getting a little desperate yourself Mtnsnake-


peace~

[Spider Jerusalem]

12. ...

[mtnsnake]

15. lol

[RazBerryBeret]

13. That's crazy talk..

WHY does this mean McSame won't use a similar ad? Of course he will.
is it the same reason you guys think they won't attack Hillary on issues from the past? Of COURSE they will.
she's been "vetted"...when have you ever known a GOPer to be original, or give up an argument because it's from the past?
c'mon....

[mtnsnake]

16. See post #9

[mmonk]

17. Not really. The reason we had two terms of bush

is because of its fear insinuation and I want some kind of honesty and good government rule instead of fear.

[Yael]

18. He isn't running on fear mongering.

:shrug:

[mtnsnake]

23. Neither is Hillary. She's running on competence & Obama is spinning it as being a fear tactic

[scheming daemons]

99. We had another candidate that ran on "competence".... had a funny greek-sounding last name....

...how'd his election turn out?

[rodeodance]

88. She is not related to Cheney

[bowens43]

19. Fear, lies and distorions are you hillary folks have.

Obama is better then that. He's morally , ethically and intellectually superior to Hillary. He has more experience then hillary and he doesn't have to scream and threaten and scare and shriek like a banshee to get his points across.

It saddens me to see so many dems wanting another 8 years of bush/rovian politics with a lean to left. There is no difference between the tactics hillary and bush.

America is tired of that shit

[mtnsnake]

21. That it was "fear" is just Obama's way of spinning it. Hillary sold it as being "trustworthy"

and Democrats across the nation bought it because it's true.

[Yael]

25. No, some democrats in Ohio and Texas bought it

But for the most part, they erased her leads tremendously as I noted below.

[mtnsnake]

35. It was bought across the nation, according to the latest polls

Hey, that's only what MSNBC reported this morning...how in one week since the ad aired, Hillary went from being behind Obama in the popularity polls to being ahead.

[Yael]

22. Oh, and "in one week" she went from double digit leads to 51/49 wins

Spin it all you like -- but that is not a good thing.

[mtnsnake]

29. Im just repeating what the media said how in 1 week she went from being behind to ahead

in all the Democratic polls nationwide. There is no spin from me. Take it up with the media.

[Faygo Kid]

24. Thinking ahead so much she was fully dressed and made up at 3 a.m.

What a stupid ad, but the fearmongering works for her.

Karl Rove redux.

And who uses a phone with a cord anymore?

[mtnsnake]

30. Well she didn't want to give an entire nation wood by being in her nighty

C'mon, you can't be serious about her not being dressed for purpose of getting her message across, can you? Granted, it is a little bit funny how she's dressed up with a necklace and all. My wife pointed that out to me right away, too. :)

[Faygo Kid]

75. I like it!

Yeah, I understand, but she should have dumped the necklace, anyway. Glad we can agree on that.

Hey, maybe the nightie thing would have gone over well. A peignoir, perhaps.

Maybe a maid's outfit. Red.

I'm getting worked up here.

[Kahuna]

26. That's a really petty assessment. nt

[uponit7771]

31. Question: When has she EVER gotten up at 3am to address a national crisis?

Thank you in advance for your response

[mtnsnake]

33. Irrelevant. The ad is about who would be BEST ABLE to do it if necessary

It wasn't about if they had ever done it before.

[Liberal Veteran]

43. Based on her "vast experience" in greeting dignitaries?

:eyes:

[mtnsnake]

44. No. Based on her real-life experiences in Iraq, such as this one:

Senators Bayh and Clinton, Congressman McHugh Visit Iraq and Afghanistan

Our Congressional delegation trip provided me with an invaluable opportunity to evaluate the situations in Iraq and Afghanistan first hand. As I take these experiences back to my work in the Senate, my thoughts will also remain with the service members who we met on this trip, from the men and women in uniform fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan to the wounded servicemembers we saw in Landstuhl. As Americans, we should be proud of these brave young men and women and continue to offer them our full support. I am sure that my work on the Senate Armed Services Committee and in the Senate more generally will reflect the experiences that I had on this Congressional delegation.

http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/iraq/trip.cfm

[Liberal Veteran]

49. Well, you can't blame her for wanting see what kind of tribute her war vote garnered her.

And not to put too fine a point on it, but no sitting Senator has any "real-life" experience in Iraq.

A P-R tour under heavy guard is a mockery of what "real-life" is like in those places.

[mtnsnake]

63. Now that's just ridiculous. She has been to Iraq several times on fact-finding missions.

Read some articles on it and then maybe you can come back with something more reaonable than what you just did.

[Liberal Veteran]

65. And of course if one wants to find out the facts, a guided tour under heavy guard generates such...

....factual impressions?

McCain went on a fact finding tour as well. His impressions then must be valid as well?

[zabet]

37. Uhhhhh, one of Obama's aides says he isn't ready for a 3am call...

Susan Rice, a foreign policy adviser to Senator Barack Obama, discusses the foreign policy credentials of both Democrats against the tableau of Mrs. Clinton’s 3 a.m. phone call advertisement about who would be best prepared for an international crisis. (While your children are safely asleep.)

“Clinton hasn’t had to answer the phone at three o’clock in the morning and yet she attacked Barack Obama for not being ready,'’ Ms. Rice said. “They’re both not ready to have that 3 a.m. phone call.”

More and video at the link: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/obama-aide-neither-candidate-ready-for-3-am-call/

That is the best response the Obama team
could come up with? They are both not ready?
Why is he talking up the 3am call in his speeches
when his own advisers tell him he is not ready
either?

[mtnsnake]

42. Correct. One of the TV analysts even said that Obama's response to her ad wasn't effective

and that he needs to do better.

[ebdarcy]

38. See, I disagree.

I think the reason many Obama supporters are upset is because for the past 7 years, we've watched the bush administration use bullshit fear-mongering to justify atrocities and strip us of our rights. And then a democratic presidential candidate runs a fear mongering ad in order to boost her support. I think that's why the majority of us are upset.

[rocktivity]

39. This is what's wrong with the 3AM ad

If Hillary should be picked over Obama because she has more experience, shouldn't McCain be picked over Hillary because HE has more experience? Indeed, Keith reported last night that the McCain camp has made "a tongue-in-cheek request" that Hillary KEEP running the commercial!

:crazy:
rocknation

[mtnsnake]

40. Nope

If Hillary should be picked over Obama because she has more experience, shouldn't McCain be picked over Hillary because HE has more experience?

No. McCain might have more experience than her, but not by much. Having more experience doesn't mean that she doesn't have enough.

OTOH, Obama has little to none when it comes to foreign experience, so the ad is valid and effective from her veiwpoint, and McCain won't be able to touch her in a similar ad, just because you think that he has "more".

[rocktivity]

85. All I did was follow Clinton's logic out the window

Seeing that McCain is has been "tested" under actual combat conditions, I think that beats her in quality as well as in quantity of experience. Put another way, would you be impressed with McCain's experience if it involved looking over HIS presidential spouse's shoulder?

;)
rocknation

[rocktivity]

97. McCain couldn't "touch her with a similar ad?"

I rest my case.

[damndude]

104. it can be qualify however anyone trying to defend it wants.........

but in simple terms it was wrong.
bad for the party.
bad for reinforcing the idea that democrats are soft of security.
bad for suggesting there is something to fear from a black man in a power position.
wrong for scarring voters rather than inspiring them.
wrong for turning away potential voters.
wrong for reinforcing negative onions about her.
she didn't think this through.
is winning at these costs so attractive?

[RBInMaine]

45. Used by Mondale in '84 and Bush in '92. Clinton = UNoriginal.

[malletgirl02]

46. Plus ultimately ineffective

both Mondale and Bush lost their respective races.

[mtnsnake]

47. Good for her if she tweeked it and used it to her advantage. Smart lady

There just isn't very much that come out anymore that ISN'T 100% original, this being just one of many. So Hillary made it work for her in her own way. Kudos to her for taking advantage.

[Liberal Veteran]

50. So, her cries of plagiarism are somewhat hypocritical by your own admission?

[jgraz]

52. Another losing tactic from the Goddess of Peace

:rofl:

[JTFrog]

53. Hillary owns the politics of fear now. People will soon forget that this was a republican theme.

Thanks Hill.

[mtnsnake]

58. Obama is TRYING to spin it as a republican theme, when it's really an issue of national security

...not fear mongering, like he wants his supporters to think.

[JTFrog]

66. Oh JFC. Seriously. You have fallen down the rabbit hole. I guess now you approve of Bush/Cheney's

terra terra fear fear cries. After all it's really an issue of national security.

Defending this shit is way over the top.

[mtnsnake]

70. I'm glad you think the rest of the world loves us so much that we're not to take this seriously

[UndergroundEcoHound]

83. Hillary's role...

or more specifically, her not reading the NIE and authorizing Chimpy McNumbnuts wouldn't have anything to do with that...would it?

[UndergroundEcoHound]

81. Cognitive dissonance...

cognitive dissonance should be setting in.

[Liberal Veteran]

60. Yep. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

Booga-Booga! Vote for me or the hordes of Muslims will swim across the ocean and force us all to face Mecca!

Thank god Hillary is there to hold such a principled stand as happened when we last had a Clinton in the White House when they folded on DADT, DOMA, NAFTA, welfare reform, universal health care, etc....

[SoCalDem]

55. He's running a positive campaign.. why would he want to run a negative ad?

and he's also not trying to use the Bush-Rove Fear Machine tactics.

he gives the public credit for being able to realize that a president does not dress up in a suit & pearls, put glasses on, and sit in the dark all night, waiting for a phone to ring.


There ARE other people in the WH..they answer the phone, and then awaken the president if there is a crisis...probably AFTER they have called in the other necessary people who will consult on the "crisis"..

[CyberPieHole]

90. Obama called Senator Clinton a "MONSTER" and he's running a "positive campaign"???

:rofl:

[SoCalDem]

94. Obama called her a monster? when??

an UNPAID advisor said it.. he severed ties to her..

Obama calls her Mrs Clinton, Senator Clinton, and rarely, Hillary..I'm not aware that he ever called her Ms Monster

[Beregond2]

62. Ad

It wasn't effective. Hillary barely squeaked out a win in Ohio, where she had been massively ahead not long before. She lost in Texas, a fact that doesn't seem to have penetrated the thick skulls of her supporters. She became a national laughing-stock for recycling a tired old ad that only pointed-up how utterly UNprepared she is to be CIC. She revealed the depths to which she is prepared to sink in her campaign, and how much she is willing to damage the party. The result? She is being abandoned in droves by the SDs, her only hope for taking the nomination.

Only the most deluded, fanatical supporter could possibly see that ad as anything less than a disaster for her, and a complete embarrasment.

[Armstead]

69. Noooooooo. I'm angry that she decided to use Bush style emotion-based FEAR strategy

I expect you to support McCain if Hillary becomes the nominee when he starts making jokes and running smear ads about Hillary's military experience and how the Democrats are too wimpy to handle national security.

[npincus]

72. Maybe Skinner can start a new Group for you: "DUers for Fear Mongering"

We all seemed to hate it when B*sh & the GOP were scaring us to win elections, but it's OK when your candidate of choice does it? Obama promised to change those shitty politics and that mind-set that got us into Iraq (Fear & terra 24/7)... that's a MAJOR reason I suport him. That you condone or even feel proud of a Democrat using a B*sh taic to "scare" up votes is really really sad.

[Laelth]

77. LOL. Always thinking ahead?

Looks to me like she wasn't thinking past Super Tuesday.

-Laelth

[stray cat]

78. Hillary should write and finance more ads for McCain!

[anigbrowl]

93. Yes, because his whole campaign has been about fear and paranoia .nt

[Seabiscuit]

95. The 3 am call ad was very effective ...

There are a lot of various issues that a 3 am call could entail, terrorism at home or abroad, international crisis elsewhere in the world, national fires, hurricanes, earthquakes, bridge collapses or a break in a levy . Just the other day, some weirdo decided to bomb a military recruiting station in New York while on a bike (I bet Hillary got a call about this early that morning). The 3 am call is pertinent in today's world (thanks to George Bush), I didn't find anything offensive or alarmist about it but just realistic.

[ProSense]

96. "The lady is always thinking ahead." LOL! She featured a girl who plans to vote for Obama

Report: Girl "Safe And Asleep" In Hillary's 3 A.M. Ad Is Supporting...Obama!

It turns out that one of the kids who was "safe and asleep" in Hillary's controversial red phone ad would prefer that Barack Obama answer that 3 A.M. phone call in the White House.

A new report from King5, an NBC affiliate in Washington State, says that the first sleeping girl shown in the ad is a young local resident named Casey Knowles. King5 adds that the footage of her asleep is eight-year-old stock footage -- and that she turns voting age next month.

And according to the report, she is supporting Obama...

more

Brilliant!

[scheming daemons]

98. He has too much class.... he's campaigning on issues, not on tearing down Hillary....

...

But the Mr. Nice Guy stuff is ending now..... can't say she didn't ask for it.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

102. Wait, I thought she was "the goddess of peace."

:eyes:

[Hippo_Tron]

103. Nope, I just fell over laughing cause it looked like a Brinks Home Security commercial

Unfortunately lots of Americans are ignorant and Hillary played on their ignorance. But hey that's politics.