It's all so clear. Hillary's gotten her "high negatives" the hard way: she's earned them.

[hisownpetard]

After the behavior she's exhibited in the last couple weeks, it's easier for me to understand why Hillary Clinton has always had such "high negatives."

She's earned them - e.g. by saying how "honored" (x3) she is to be sharing the dais with her opponent and then stabbing him on his way off the stage.

She has reached the level of being George-Bush-duplicitous; and, like Bush, shows no remorse but, instead, keeps repeating the offensive remarks.

Her praise for McCain proves that she puts her own aspirations above the good of the people and the Democratic party, promoting
the candidacy of a war-hungry Bush-loving Republican robot over Obama, rather than face off squarely and take part in a clean fight.

(And, btw, has anyone noticed that, until the series of debates was over, she referred to the major other candidate as "Barack," but since then she only refers to him
as "my opponent"...)

And now she wants to disregard the rules when it appears that the rules are not in her favor. She wants FL and MI to be seated - even though the rules
were laid out and approved before those two states decided to disregard them. Makes no difference to her that the penalty for disregarding the rules was known
in advance of their actions. Makes no difference to her that Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan, and no campaigning was allowed in either state.
Hillary wants to disregard all those bothersome little facts and have Fl and MI seated. Why? Because she says so!!

I ask you - does this not sound like someone who might sign a bill into law with a dramatic flourish and then, as soon as the cameras are gone, pull
a "signing statement" from the drawer and negate everything she just promised?

We've already had 7 years of a President who doesn't give a damn.

We don't need another one, even if it's a "she" who has a "D" after her name.

I'm for Obama all the way.

[zalinda]

1. Sorry, to burst your Obama bubble

but the ONLY reason Hillary has high negatives is because the media has been giving her non stop negative coverage. She has been vilified as a power hungry woman from the first day she got into the White House. She has been called every name in the book, whether or not it has been deserved. She has had more negative press than ANY other person in government, including Karl Rove. I'm guessing it's because she didn't act like all first ladies before her, so therefore she was power hungry and must be stopped.

She has done nothing to deserve all the animosity that has been shown here and in the media.

zalinda

[hisownpetard]

2. Been out of the country for a while now, have you?

[against all enemies]

7. That's pretty funny.

[hisownpetard]

8. .

:hi:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. And yet you think this person is our best chance in the GE, why?

Regardless of where the negatives come from, she has them, in spades. Why would you want to take a chance with such a polarizing candidate?

[hisownpetard]

11. Exactly. Hillary had earned a lot of respect from people, including me, who had previously

really disliked her. However, in the last few weeks she's reverted to form and disspelled
whatever good had accrued to her during the campaign.

[Beregond2]

4. Press

The only people who have "vilified" Hillary have been right-wing nutjobs like Limbaugh. And yes, they were totally unfair, and very effective. Which is exactly why she should not be running at all. She has as much chance of being elected as Bin Laden does.

As for the MSM, they have done everything but hand her a scepter and crown, giving her a pass on all her absurd claims to experience, praising her for her ridiculous "3AM" ad, falsely giving her a "win" in Texas, etc.

Take your feminist filters off and see reality!

[hisownpetard]

10. Yup. And welcome to DU!

:headbang:

[IsItJustMe]

59. self-delete.

[GarbagemanLB]

6. Hillbots sounding like Republicans: Blame the media!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. you have got to be joking. DU has been blaming the media for liberal candidates not winning

since the inception of DU

[RaleighNCDUer]

19. Now, if she was only a liberal candidate the shoe might fit. nt

[hisownpetard]

27. It's nice that she wants to be a McCain supporter, because I think he left his

at the gym.

[JTFrog]

92. Well she has had a lifetime of experience supporting dicks. n/t

[hisownpetard]

95. I'm not gonna touch that one...

:blush:

[hisownpetard]

25. I say, if they want to keep drinking wine, more power to them!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

33. oooh so clever

:eyes:

[hisownpetard]

35. Tanks!

:headbang:

[hisownpetard]

45. Indeed.

[sniffa]

9. She's certainly acting power hungry

Damn you media!!!1!1!

[hisownpetard]

46. She's throwing in the kitchen sink but should have included the faucets, so we

could turn the stream off!

[NJmaverick]

17. How do you explain the negatives she has generated at DU?

Seems to me that people have been quite specific over what statements and actions she has made, that have generated negative feelings toward her. None of these specifics have anything to do with the media. It's been her own public statements.

[hisownpetard]

28. Well put.

:headbang:

[IsItJustMe]

61. How right you are. The media has been very quiet about her McCain statements.

[hisownpetard]

66. Well, I was beginning to think exactly what your screen-name says.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more outrageous I find it that the press has made so little
of a remark, repeated many times now, that is really about as disloyal to the party as you can get.

Add to that the fact that she now insists that Fl and MI should be seated, in spite of what the DNC has put forward,
and you have someone who, in my eyes, cares not an iota what she can do for her party but only what her party
can do for her.

I'm getting angrier by the hour.

[IsItJustMe]

73. It's in the msm interest to see her do well right now. They want to keep this charade going as long

as possible. After each primary or caucus their ratings go way up. If this ended tomorrow, they wouldn't have their ratings.

I think that is another reason why the msm spun Hillary's win in Texas. The truth of the matter is that it was no win at all, and yet why all the babbling spin. They want this to go on and on and milk it for all it's worth.

So basically, as of right now, there is a basic black out of negative news from HRC as far as our msm goes.

This is my take on it anyway.

[hisownpetard]

75. I think you're right. Can't think of any other logical explanation except that

it gives the talking heads another 6 or 7 weeks of air-time and keeps the headlines in bold print.

[TheZug]

18. I am swayed by your incredibly powerful words!!!

Or, maybe not.

[hisownpetard]

29. Heh heh - yeah.

:hi:

[RaleighNCDUer]

23. It wouldn't have anything to do with voting for the IWR, and lying

about her motives for doing so? Touting NAFTA for years, until it became politically expedient to not do so? Claiming the mantle of gay rights, while promising to do 'something' about DADT, and overturning one HALF of DOMA? Running on her strength as a fighter, while simultaneously playing the victim? Promising universal health care, while offering universal health insurance? Claiming her First Lady years as "experience", while disavowing all unpopular stances taken by her husband's administration?

Nah. It's all unreasoning hatred. That must be it.

[hisownpetard]

30. Wow. (This should have a thread of its own).

:thumbsup: :hi:

[HeraldSquare212]

57. You don't recall a full year or so of press about how she had the best campaign team and was

the best campaigner and would roll over the opponents in the primaries? That was her campaign strategy, and the media stated it as fact over and over again.

[IsItJustMe]

58. So did she become what people were saying about her; or, was she already like that and they were

reporting on her correctly. Interesting as hell.

[hisownpetard]

70. I now believe that she was like that, learned to cover it up and soften her voice and be

the good candidate many of us perceived her to be.

However, that only lasted up through the final debate.
And then she dropped the Hillary mask of congeniality and showed the world her true face - and she looks
more like Zell Miller than I ever would've imagined.

[IsItJustMe]

74. That's my take on it also. When I think back to her White House days I never gave her much thought.

But one thing keeps coming up in my mind. That clip where she says she was no Tammy Wynette (stand by your man). When I think back to that moment and go over it in my mind, if I would have really thought about it at the time, I could have perceived how divisive she really was and what a ignorant reply that really was. I just never really sat down to think about it all. I have in the last couple of weeks though. That's for damn sure.

[skater314159]

67. Suuuuure, it's not 'cause people DON'T LIKE HER...

... it's always got to be "something".

I'm beginning to wonder how many Hillary supporters who make statements like yours are either co-dependent or have an "enabler personality". Seriously.

If someone doesn't like her, it's NEVER because of something Hillary did... it's always because the person is "sexist" or "supports rape" or "is a member of the patriarchy" or "is an Obama sheeple" or whatever BS they happen to come up with at the moment.

That is classic co-dependent or enabler behaviour... don't hold Hillary responsible for her statements, behaviours, and actions, and be sure to blame or shame anyone who dares to disagree with Hillary.

[hisownpetard]

68. That's why I said (elsewhere, not on this thread) that I almost wish Hillary were running against

another woman. Automatically, half of her arsenal would go down the drain.

She couldn't accuse people of being sexist for not liking her, or complain when people refer to her voice as shrill
or her laugh as a cackle.

Maybe if she runs again in 2016, she'll be up against another woman.
I can imagine how her claws would come out in that catfight.

[skater314159]

78. Wow... that's a great idea.

Wait... I don't want to have to go through all this tsurus again in 2016 - not even to see if she tries to pull the same shit all over again!

But it would be interesting to see what she would accuse another woman of...

[Hepburn]

90. Could it be....

...the Hillary the lying POS, McCain supporter has earned the negative coverage???

Shocking thought, huh? Maybe if you take your blinders off that come with your Hillary '08 supplies, you might see reality and get Clue One as to why she is so hated.

Whadda novel concept....

[Splinter Cell]

91. Uh...no.

[Laelth]

5. Hear, hear!

If she wants to lead the Democratic Party, she needs to start acting like a Democrat.

-Laelth

[hisownpetard]

47. First they have to unhook her from McCain's white-knuckled grasp.

[Laelth]

55. Eeeeew ...

That is an image I could have happily lived without.



:puke:

-Laelth

[hisownpetard]

56. I know - McCain as Snuffleuppagus.

[skater314159]

69. The interesting thing about that photo...

... is that reading the body language of McCain... even he is revolted by touching Bush. That has to be one of the stiffest hugs I have ever seen...

Just a Chaplain's opinion...

[hisownpetard]

71. I hate to say this, but it's not only his arms that are stiff...

[skater314159]

81. Eeeeewwwwww....

:spray:

:rofl:

[hisownpetard]

84. I know. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

[vssmith]

89. But look at his face--is he having a climax?

Maybe something besides his arms is stiff

[hisownpetard]

94. ..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4967978&mesg_id=4979189

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. she started getting high negative when she was fighting for health care in the 90's

i am sure that was AWFUL of her.

how dare that bitch? :sarcasm:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

14. Maybe if she'd handled it a little better she might have won.

A lot of the blame for the debacle lays with her, like it or not.

[hisownpetard]

49. I agree. If she'd been able to present her case in a better way, it may have turned out differently

[hisownpetard]

20. I totally agree (if you ditch the "sarcasm" thingie).

[La Lioness Priyanka]

40. i expect it from you

[hisownpetard]

42. It's good to have high expectations.

:headbang:

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. Has anyone else noticed that it is only republicans, trolls and Hillbots

that call her a "bitch"?

[hisownpetard]

31. And Dick Morris (ewww).

[Carolina]

76. the same Dick SHE and Bill hired to help Bill triangulate

in 1996

[hisownpetard]

86. Yes, the man who has parlayed getting fired into an entire life-long career.

Uch. Just the thought of his voice and that twitching lower lip makes me queasy...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. and its only idiot obama supporters who repeat right wing slogans against hillary

[hisownpetard]

36. Is "idiot" worse than "monster"?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

37. isnt that what obama's people called hillary. thankfully your candidate had the grace to get rid of

her.

[hisownpetard]

38. D'oh.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

39. your arguments are getting more and more infantile.

[hisownpetard]

41. In keeping with your rebuttals.

[IsItJustMe]

62. I for one call her untrustworthy.

[hisownpetard]

72. I, for two. Makes me think I should trust my gut feelings more and not try so hard to be open

to the possibilities of someone changing their stripes.

She is who she is.

[RaleighNCDUer]

43. Can you please point to any time that I have used a RW slogan?

If I was any further left I'd have to move to Cuba.

Does the right decry her support for the war? Her economic and military imperialism? Her being beholden to the MIC and international corporate interests?

Can you support your slander? Or are you just throwing poo?

[hisownpetard]

44. Judging from the lack of a response, I think the latter holds true.

Duck!!:hide:

[Carolina]

77. if the shoe fits...

[Medusa]

15. Until about 2 months ago, I was a huge Clinton family fan

NO more. I know believe pretty much aything the GOP says about her judging what she's done to DEMOCRATS from her own party. I've had it up to here with her sense of entitlement and her playing victim every chance she gets. Who exactly does she think she is? We all know that if it had not been for her last name she'd never been elected in NY--I think a lot of Dems there felt, as I did at the time, sorry for her and wanted to stick it to the GOP by electing her to the office. Little did we know she'd turn into a Republican-Lite to the point she'd vote for a war, keep funding it, and make nice with Murdoch, Rove, and McCain. WTF is that all about exactly? Forget it, she's history to me and history is where she belongs. She is not our party's future.

[Yael]

16. Who does she think she is?

Why, Hillary Rove McClinton of course. The Queen of the Triangulating DINO Democrats, soon to be coronated as Queen of the Wooooooooorrrrrld!

[hisownpetard]

21. Said in true Keith-like tones!

:hi:

[tekisui]

22. I keep hearing this. Her divisiveness has reached a critical mass.

I am turned off by her campaign in BIG way.

[hisownpetard]

32. She was at her best when she was acting as a unifier. (Key word here is *acting*)

Too bad that, when push comes to shove, she's all elbows.

[hisownpetard]

24. It's a shame that she's willing to heap praise on a lunatic like McCain, rather than

face the possibility of losing to Obama.

I guess her principles are disposable.

[Carolina]

79. principles? if she ever had any....

[hisownpetard]

48. Well, even though she's turned me against her as a Presidential candidate, I do think

she's done a good job as a junior senator from NY. And I think she should continue
in that capacity, to prove she meant it when she said her only ambition was to serve out
her term as Senator, helping NY.

[zalinda]

50. Wait a minute, what about Obama

didn't he say he wouldn't run for President in his first Senate term? What was his word worth?

zalinda

[FrenchieCat]

51. so fucking true.......

Now I see what folks were talking about!

[hisownpetard]

52. Yeah, I've heard a lot of people saying that lately.

:hi:

[AnnieBW]

53. I have to agree with you

I have a co-worker who is a fire-breathing Hillary-hater. Just the mention of her name sends him into a rant about how sleazy she is, and how she'd do anything to get elected. Up until the past few weeks, I'd just roll my eyes and ignore him, thinking that he has a problem with women in positions of authority. I hate to admit it, but I'm starting to think that he's been right all along.

The whole thing about "I want a woman President, just not THIS woman" is making more sense.

[IsItJustMe]

63. Scary isn't it. A Republican is like a clock that don't work. Even it is right twice a day. Or,

another analogy, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then.

[Kurovski]

54. K&R. (nt)

[hisownpetard]

64. Thanks. (The children are both yours, btw. They have that purple birthmark over their left eye,

in the shape of Denmark, just like you).

[Kurovski]

87. I'm not in the shape of Denmark.

Just because I gained a few pounds, that's no reason to resort to such accusations.

[hisownpetard]

93. Oh, so you'd be happier if I said 'in the shape of Italy', like those high-heeled

boots you liked me to wear on 'special' nights?

[Kurovski]

96. Florida would be the most accurate...

AND YOU KNOW IT!

[hisownpetard]

97. O.K., ok, I give! I just hate remembering Florida and all those early bird specials

with the limp stringbeans and carbonated meatloaf you made us eat there,
sitting in the booth with the torn vinyl seats and the stuffing coming out...

[Kurovski]

98. There, there...

it's all in the past now.

[hisownpetard]

100. You're right. Guess I need to spring forward, and not fall back!

Hey - I like that! Catchy, right?

[Kurovski]

101. Lay off all those chocotinis,

and you may yet achieve your goal. :hug:

[AtomicKitten]

60. K&R

:thumbsup:

[hisownpetard]

65. Thanks!

:hi:

[cooolandrew]

80. Actually Barack started the "opponent " thing my faultreally I emaled him to say no names noquote.

Although he has had to start referrring to her again to defend himself it would be too vague otherwise. Folks may actually notice that I say things on here first, next thing he seems to say them. Although I did sway to DK when his healthcare plane was far superior to all candidates. This guy listens folks that is very improtant. The power f the email is mightier than the sword. You can connect so many dots with an email I love this technology. Folks on here will know I have been campaigning for Barack even before he mentioned it. Everyone was going Barack who? I said you'll soon know. Another cool thing is I backed McKinney for pres and whAddya know. If your mind can conceive it you CAN achieve it.

Reporter 2007 " the momentum behind Barack has even taken him by surprise" ;)

[milkyway]

82. Queen Negativity has also decided that the nomination should be decided by the total popular vote--

forget about those pesky delegates and all those confusing rules. Let's just add up the popular vote in each state and whoever has the most gets the nomination.

[istopforcookies]

88. What!?

Claws? Catfight? Queen Negativity?

Keep digging the hole.

[milord]

83. Seconded

I agree with everything you said. Hilary did a despicable thing, praising McCain in order to belittle Obama.She just lost herself any chance she might have had for the nomination, as far as I'm concerned. As a matter of fact, now she can go to hell. She's cooked her own goose.

[hisownpetard]

85. And I hear that's the only thing she's ever cooked herself!

:hi: :headbang: :yourock: :headbang:

[AJH032]

99. sorry, but Hillary's negatives are more than a couple weeks old

and the high negatives she got stuck with in the 90s were NOT earned at all.