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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:22 PM Original message |
Other Posters Here have Said it Better. Our Candidates are Playing to Win. |
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Levgreee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. No ones saying she shouldn't criticize. It's the manner in which she does which is a problem |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
67. And how is that? |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. Campaigning for McCain is far different than criticizing her opponent |
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Zorro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. What hyperbole |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
55. praising a dead man and praising your current opponent are not the same |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
60. Reagan is dead, and is not running. Get a clue. |
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Zorro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Don't get my point, do you? |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Uh, I'm fully awake, and no one controls me. You think we're.. |
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Zorro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. So if character is more important than policies and positions to you |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
3. Are you suggesting praising McCain's experience while |
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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Of Course, for this reason: |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. IF she had compared her experience ONLY to Obama's, I'd agree |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. You, my friend, are interpreting what she said to fit your own |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. she has said, repeatedly, that Obama would be better than any republican |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. You keep apologizing for her, and I don't think she deserves one. nt |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
35. WORD! |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
26. kinda like praising Reagan and dissing Clinton.. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. You will now hear paragraphs and paragraphs of self justification |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
6. She's only criticizing Obama because she's a racist. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
34. and he's only dissing her 'cuz Bill turned him down for a weekend of sex and drugs |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. There's a song we'll be hearing a lot if BO's the nominee: "COCAINE" |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
7. I agree, espcially since BO supporters here have been saying she |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
8. It's politics. Tactics are necessary. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. She's done remarkably well in keeping Obama from obtaining enough delegates |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Remarkably well? She was practically crowned before the race began. |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. So far. But she entered primary season as the prohibitive favorite |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Exactly. This should have been a cakewalk for her and she has practically snatched defeat... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. name rec. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. And her failure to capitalize on that is telling. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. I'm more struck by the closeness in the number of folks who've actually cast their votes |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. What's noteworthy for me is the general similarity of both candidates. |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
54. Well said. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. I agree to an extent |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. I agree with you to an extent, also |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
42. Her tactics weaken her for the general election |
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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
11. Random: Yes, of Course she knows that nobody who despises McCain will ever vote for McCain. |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
36. They can't hear you. nt. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
43. ...and, in her fit of "strategy", she slit her own throat if she's the nominee. |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
12. Because she attacked a fellow Democrat by lauding a Republican over him nt |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
13. Don't you think she could have highlighted her "vast experience" without praising McCain? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. because no one could possibly see for themselves that McCain has more experience in these issues |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Yep, he's question her judgment. He hasn't said McCain's judgment is BETTER. n/t |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
14. Yes, he needs to be more assertive, but bashing the other Dem |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
15. It's not the criticism, it's the unfavorable comparisons to McCain. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
18. Obama has been bashing Clinton from the beginning of this campaign |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. In what way? I can list a few of Clinton's sleazy jabs...can you provide some of Obama's? |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Yes. but first, a bit of truth |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. O.K., by the numbers: |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
21. Sure, if you think trying to winning |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
22. Because the chances are almost zero that it works. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
23. I don't believe that she is playing to win - that I would respect |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
31. Oh please..hilary's Scortched Earth Policy |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Let's talk about Obama's resume. . . he has used one (1) speech to |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:04 AM Response to Reply #41 |
66. Amen. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
39. If we become just like our opponents, what have we won? |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
40. This is what everyone gets who tries to post something reasonable. |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Do you think we should get out of Iraq? |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. We get you spitting out |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I generally do spit out red herrings, because I just am not a big fish fan. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
46. I have a problem with the strategy. |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
47. Oh puhlease. This is the primary, not the general, election. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
49. K and R |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
51. I just sent you to the greatest page because you are so right. |
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quiet.american (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
57. Take aim at your opponent, yes, but don't shoot yourself and your party in the foot doing it. |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
58. Good. We need a candidate who doesn't just roll over |
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pointsoflight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
59. I've never seen a dem favor the republican nominee over a fellow dem. |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
62. The Rethug's candidate is playing to win, too. |
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Nine (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
68. Thank you very much for saying that. (nt) |
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