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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:00 PM
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Penn: GOP, Independents Deserting Obama
http://thepage.time.com/2008/03/09/penn-gop-independents-deserting-obama/

Clinton’s top strategist asserts to the New Yorker that Obama’s liberal views and inexperience are costing him.
“Independent and Republican support is diminishing as they find out he’s the most liberal Democratic senator… As they get more of a sense that he’s not ready to be Commander-in-Chief, a lot of Independents who were supporting him are disappearing.”
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:01 PM
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1. I want a hit of whatever Mark Penn has been smoking.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:02 PM
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2. It's Mark Fucking "Blackwater" Penn - campaign consultant of Hillary's
Who are ya gonna believe?

Certainly not Mark "I charge $10M to the Hillary Campaign to run it down to the ground" Penn

Hawkeye-X
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:02 PM
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3. I didn't have to read past "Clinton’s top strategist asserts" nt - garbage
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:02 PM
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4. I'm glad Penn can admit that Obama is more liberal than Clinton!
Finally!

:rofl:
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:03 PM
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5. nice unbiased source there.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:12 PM
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19. As opposed to Mat Drudge which seems to be the CULT of Obama's favored "source"
:evilgrin:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:16 PM
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24. Again, Id expect nothing less from somebody with piehole in their name.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:16 PM
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25. Whackjob.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:03 PM
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6. Hey, if Penn says it ...
... it must be true. It's not like he's got a million-dollar dispensing dog in the race.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:03 PM
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7. He thinks if he repeats it enough, it will be so.
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 09:03 PM by AtomicKitten
a la Goebbels
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:03 PM
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8. Whoever is recommending this is an idiot.
IMHO.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:03 PM
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Penn is completely full of shit.
You should know this by now.
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think4yourself Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:03 PM
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9. It's early yet.
Hillary is doing a fine job of imploding. Stay tuned. I was born and raised in PA. I'm going up to canvas for Obama.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:14 PM
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21. Don't hang out in any working class bars, you won't like what you hear
I just came back from western Pennsylvania and Hillary is far better liked.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:19 PM
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27. And it don't mean shit BillyBuck. In case you hadn't noticed,..
.. this thing is over. Except the fat lady is not singing. She's pointing her shame finger, and latching onto the puke train.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:05 AM
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53. It's over for the Democratic party if Hillary's opponent is nominated
An easy election sacrificed on the alter of political correctness.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:03 PM
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10. Did you expect him to say that Hillary is losing support? She does sign his paycheck.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:04 PM
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11. Bad, BAD Liberal!
Only in the Clinton campaign is being a liberal a problem.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:09 PM
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12. Question - will there be a Pennsylvania debate?
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:11 PM
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15. Answer: No.
20 debates is more than enough. MSRNC is hankering for another one - but Obama said enough is enough. Hillary is old news now.

Hawkeye-X
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:10 PM
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13. Me: Dems deserting Hillary
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:10 PM
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14. Finally, some people are opening their eyes to the sham of Obama's campaign.
:kick: and rec
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:12 PM
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17. you mean Penn? He'll come around to Obama.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:11 PM
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16. is that why he wins them...?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:12 PM
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18. Obviously an unbiased report....
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 09:12 PM by Hepburn
...ROFPIMPLMAO!!!

:rofl:
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:13 PM
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20. I couldn't help noticing
that Penn offers no evidence to back up his assertions. Is this another one of those "some people say" moments?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:23 PM
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Some people say that Hillary's secret deal with Satan to secure the nomination might hurt her chance
...in the GE.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:14 PM
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22. Well, I cant imagine Mark Penn being biased in any way...
...so it must be true. Darn.





:eyes:
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:17 PM
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26. ...
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:23 PM
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35. LOL
And the answer is: NO FREAKIN WAY would I buy a used car from him. :rofl:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:16 PM
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23. Penn? Who's on top today, Penn or Ickes? Bwhahaha!
She really should reconsider her spokesmen!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dylan-loewe/civil-war-in-hillaryland_b_90375.html

snip/

What we know so far about the Clinton campaign is discomforting. We know that Clinton's campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, remained in her position long after having squandered the entire campaign war chest. We know that Mark Penn, chief strategist of the campaign, has alienated nearly everyone he works with, often getting into profanity-laden arguments with fellow advisers. We know he is "openly despised" by many senior Clinton officials. We know that, in the face of heavy criticism, Mark Penn has tried to shift the blame, maintaining that he is just an outside adviser, with no real control of the campaign.

We know that Harold Ickes is eager to argue the point in front of microphones, where he has ungracefully laid the blame squarely on Penn. We know that, at the Arlington headquarters, the tension has built so high that Penn and Mandy Grunwald, Hillary's ad maker, got into a yelling match that prompted the political director to leave the room. And we know that we know that because it was leaked.

We know the media team fights with the field team, each blaming the other for Clinton's February losses. Perhaps worst of all, The Washington Post confirmed what many Democrats had feared the most: in South Carolina, Bill Clinton was out of the campaign's control.

A good measure of the relative functionality of a campaign is to watch how often inside information is leaked to the press. That we know as much as we do about the internal strife in Hillaryland suggests that the press is being wielded as a weapon in the middle of an all out civil war.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:19 PM
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28. Yeah right ! I suppose they're all just flocking to Hillary.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:19 PM
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29. She's a MONSTER. Willing to destroy anyone in her way.
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 09:21 PM by against all enemies
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:20 PM
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30. Penn's hitting the pipe again huh
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DaDooRonRon Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:20 PM
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31. Mark Penn is to truth what an iguana is to roofing felt n/t
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:21 PM
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32. Oh no, repugs are really liberals you see
But what does this matter anyway? Obama will vanquish the left/right political paradigm as we know it!
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:22 PM
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33. Penn Is Right About One Thing...
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 09:29 PM by JimGinPA
No he's not,just full of shit as usual.


MARK PENN
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:30 PM
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43. The Hutt Anti-Defamation League would like to lodge a formal complaint...
...for daring to suggest that a bill slimy ugly fuck like Penn is in any way Hutt-like.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:23 PM
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34. Wyoming never happened. Nothing to see there, move along, please. n/t
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dalloway Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:23 PM
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36. Actual, they are listeting to RUSH and crossing over so GOP
Can win in GE against the WEAKEST candidate....

Bill helping that strategy by showing up on Limbaugh the day of Texas primary. Don't think they don't know exactly what the hell they are doing and Penn is trying to make it look like the LOVE HRC instead of wanting her to win so they can beat her.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:25 PM
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37. Penn... ah yes. let's all believe him.. judging from his performance so far .....
HE HAS NO FREAKING CLUE WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:26 PM
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38. OMG BREAKING NEWS!! From Hillary's top strategist??
What a crock, thanks for making me waste a click.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:27 PM
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39. What did Teller say?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:28 PM
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40. He mimed "nutjob" and pointed at Penn.
:D
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:28 PM
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41. I would believe this piece of Scheeet...why? n/t
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:30 PM
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42. ... because Mark Penn is such a reliable source of opinion on Obama?
Um, yeah. Right.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:31 PM
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44. I swear to gawd, as political strategy this shit is not sustainable
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 09:32 PM by VolcanoJen
It might have worked in the three-week TX and OH campaign, to a kind of mixed result, but at one point or another most people (and Jon Stewart) really start calling this crap for what it is.

Seven years of Bush/Cheney have honed the nation's "cutting through the bullshit" skills, which is bad news for the increasingly cynical Clinton campaign as we go forward.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:35 PM
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45. Really? I mean Really that's all you got?
Oh praise the baby jesus, praise the baby jesus. :crazy:
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:36 PM
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46. and if Mark Penn says it....
it must be true.



:sarcasm:

It's more like he hopes that will happen, hence the kitchen sink strategy. I guess people don't seem to realize that since the Bush administration and all his lies, Americans tend to do research now on their own to find if something is true rather than take someone at their word. We learned that from Bush.
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:37 PM
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47. funny
hahahahahhahaha
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:45 PM
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48. Penn has money in McCain and Hillary being CEO of Burson-Marsteller
He's double dipping with being CEO of Burson-Marsteller doing Hillary Clinton's campaign and having a subsidiary company doing McCain's campaign.

More on this in another thread...
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:51 PM
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49. Penn... What a joke this bozo is

How much a month is her royal highness paying this dipshit

for his magical thinking.




http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/02/09/W_OBAMA_wideweb__470x287,0.jpg

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Obamaniac Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:52 PM
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50. Me: Logic, common sense deserting Penn.
nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:59 PM
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51. Oh....This is another Satire Post !!!!
Had me going there for a minute.

Thanks for the laughs!

:rofl:
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CampDem Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:09 PM
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52. Interesting!!
Hillary might draw some of the Ron Paul libertarians that are looking for someone to beat the neo-cons. Check out the libertarian blogger James Ostrowski's reaction to the Meet the Press today on the Lew Rockwell site.

Go Hillary!!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/019890.html
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:10 AM
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54. Is this another McCain endorsement?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:12 AM
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55. Does Penn provide any evidence? Of course not
He's simply desperately spinning. What a piece of filth that toad is.
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