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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:33 AM Original message |
All The Proof You Need That Caucuses Do Not Represent The Will Of The People: Texas. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
1. So the Rush Limbaugh Hillary voters didn't turn up to caucus. |
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fedupinBushcountry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Bingo!!! n/t |
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hueyshort (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
229. My handicapped Aunt isn't a Rush dem |
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AnarchoFreeThinker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
36. exactly. By the way, what are they hiding? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:02 AM Original message |
Yes, All 2.7 Million Of Them. Talk About Your Silly Ass Arguments. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
51. Poor OMC, people just don't like your candidate enough to drag their lazy asses out to a caucus. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #51 |
73. Or maybe they |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Amazing how you people continue to float that bullshit excuse |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #79 |
105. First |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #105 |
132. Now you're resorting to exaggerations and red herrings. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #132 |
141. I'm using your logic |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #73 |
217. dissing the working class. what a pile of rot. you assume that the |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #73 |
232. It's amazing anyone votes in Texas....... |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #73 |
268. Wow |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
163. So What You're Saying Is That 96% Of Obama Voters Are Uninformed And Unmotivated? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #163 |
169. Your candidate informed us that only she and McCain passed the CIC test -& Obama failed |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #163 |
170. 97% of Clinton supporters are as well. Keep spinning, OMC. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. According To You And Your Insane Theory Anyway. But That Still Means 96% Of Obama Supporters, |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
52. I think your candidate is appealing to the republican base. "Welcoming voters of all persuasions" |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. And they care enough to come out and caucus. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #59 |
109. Depth of commitment |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #109 |
122. Ummm... check that. Caucuses are explicitly intended for those ... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #122 |
178. What's wrong with democracy? |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #178 |
248. If people want reform in the nomination process, I'm right there with them. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
252. FACTS 58% of "registered" TX Republicans voted for Obama...67% of "registered"Dems voted for Clinton |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #252 |
260. Got a link for that? |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #260 |
266. here is one....Wolf on CNN qouted these numbers too |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #260 |
269. I've heard a couple of different numbers. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #269 |
272. read this article from the Houston Chronicle.......... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
2. Caucuses represent the will of people who can follow simple instructions. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Guess those member of the Texas national guard in Iraq just couldn't follow instructions |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #37 |
61. Yeah too bad. Would have been even more votes for Obama. nt |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #61 |
70. I couldn't care who someone votes for in them, it's the point of how undemocratic they are |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #70 |
130. There are 20 million people in Texas. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #130 |
139. It's more democratic than a 2 hour caucus is as far as opportunity to participate |
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rcsl1998 (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
312. Sometimes The Victory Go To Those Who Vote Twice |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
3. Well, obviously if working class people can't afford to take off work or hire babysitters |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Do you actually believe that most of those attending |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #5 |
39. Well they didn't have a problem with all those "trust fund babies" caucusing |
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ctaylors6 (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
222. Absolutely not, but I do believe caucuses exclude some people who'd really like to vote |
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tyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. The American public |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Obviously, my post went over your head |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
306. And they all support Hillary, of course. |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. When my mother went to the caucus to vote for Obama, one of the most exciting things to her was |
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thevoiceofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Our caucus, in an affluent part of Houston |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Unvalidated claims on the internet are not "empirical support" |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. So keep that in mind the next time you are going to post some of your invalidated claims. You know, |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. It's a fact that there are people in dire financial situations |
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thevoiceofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. They are if they are personal. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
85. "Caucuses are unfair because Hillary says so" is not empirical support either. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #3 |
34. People brought their kids to the one I volunteered at. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
149. That's why there were a bunch of kids at my caucus |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
158. I took two toddlers to a caucaus.. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
174. The Maine caucus was on a *Sunday* had *absentee* ballots & *proportional* delegates |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
16. Stop The Childishness. The Points In The OP Are Solid. Is All You Have Ad Hominem Attacks? |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. do I agree with everything about our electoral system? No |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I've Yet To See Anyone Claim They Should Be Undone NOW. I'm Talking About The Future, And |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #35 |
45. so what is your course of action going to be then OMC? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. I've Said Several Times That We Should All Lobby For Their Removal Prior To The Next Cycle. |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #53 |
86. If it were a national primary I can see it |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #86 |
134. Pretty Narrow Minded Perspective You've Got There. |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #134 |
142. narrow minded huh? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #142 |
148. What's Naive About The Perspective? Do You Think Such A Flawed And Unrepresentative Process Should |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #148 |
161. I'm fine with every state doing it they way they want |
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TheDoorbellRang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #16 |
146. Your logic is facetious |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #146 |
159. My Logic Is Spot On. Your Example, However, Is Tragically Flawed. |
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TheDoorbellRang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #159 |
182. Of course it is flawed. Reread my post |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #146 |
168. great post |
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TheDoorbellRang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #168 |
194. Yes. This whole process has drawn the attention of |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
179. "Is All You Have Ad Hominem Attacks?" "You got it in ya?" |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #179 |
197. yea JPak |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:29 AM Original message |
Stupid post |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
7. It shows the Hillary supporters are not that excited about her |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Some people just aren't able to caucus for work/financial reasons |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Irrelevant. The Will Of The People Is The Will Of The People. No Person's Vote Counts More Than |
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bigscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. and in texas |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
54. Then they should have participated too. You are making excuses for them. nt |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #54 |
75. Wrong. What You're Doing, Is Making Excuses For A Process That Disenfranchises Millions Of |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #75 |
106. I like the idea. It makes people get involved, not sit on their asses |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
305. You are way wrong about |
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Justyce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
9. Good post. I'm in Texas, and here's |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. The people at the Texas Caucus site on TV looked to be all old people. nt |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #12 |
43. You mean they weren't all latte sipping 20-somethings with trust funds? |
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murbley40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #9 |
129. Exactly, |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
11. That's neither here nor there. The fact is that |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
137. I Haven't Said Anywhere That I Won't. But The Argument Of The OP Is Still Solid. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
233. yes, and if O doesn't get the required # of delegates, the "system" allows for other considerations |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
18. It shows that Obama's supporters will vote for him twice. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. You Fail To Realize That Your Argument Is Irrelevant. We're Talking About Will Of The People Here. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
38. No. It shows that people can change their mind. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #38 |
50. What In The World Are Ya Talking About? Do You Have Any Idea How Ridiculous What You Just Said Was? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #50 |
84. Take your meds and then reexamine your logic. |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #84 |
119. Excelent point! Thanks for making it! nt |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #84 |
144. Both Your Arguments Are HIGHLY Irrelevant And Borderline Irrational. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #144 |
160. It's as likely as your hypothesis that 80% of Texas Democrats work at night. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #160 |
171. I Have Said No Such Thing. That Is Not My Argument. The Numbers Are The Argument, And The Numbers |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #38 |
115. Very good point! nt |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
25. I hate, HATE caucuses!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I'm Right There With Ya. Who The Candidates Are Is Irrelevant. It's About The Process. |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #27 |
93. To some the idea of fair elections means little |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #25 |
63. Thank you, Beacool. Why do people defend this system? Hmmm.... n/t |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
26. A Democratic Party primary caucus is not meant to represent the "will of the people." |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. You're Parsing, And It Doesn't Change A Thing. Call It Will Of The Democratic Party Then. |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #29 |
90. No, I think it's an important point. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #90 |
150. If You Want To Go The 'Democratic Party' Route, Hillary Wins That One, Doesn't She? |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #150 |
156. I thought this wasn't about Hillary and Obama? But about caucuses? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #156 |
166. It's Not. |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #166 |
176. And, like I said, |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #26 |
48. Obviously I meant the will of the majority of democrats |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
121. I was responding to the OP, but you may see my response to him in post 90 |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #26 |
57. Thank you! It's NOT a democratic entity then. Thank you for admitting it. n/t |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #57 |
118. We have a representative democracy in this country, not a pure democracy. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #118 |
133. Thank you for proving our point! n/t |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #133 |
140. So we agree. What's the problem? nt |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #140 |
147. Oh, I didn't say we agree about caucuses, did I? n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #140 |
237. thank you for admitting the caucuses are for the PARTY,not the people. n/t |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #237 |
240. Um, duh. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #240 |
243. Um, go read my posts. Your post doesn't make any sense. n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #240 |
244. And some people get to vote twice-- what a system! n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #240 |
245. and LOTS of other people beside me think the caucus process stinks because... |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
28. We have a hybrid caucus/primary in Texas |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Could You Possibly Have Missed The Point More Entirely? |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. No, it isn't clear |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #44 |
81. That's Ridiculous. |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #81 |
152. No, it isn't absurd |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #152 |
316. Don't confuse NJ boy about facts with TX... |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
32. What does the "voice of the people" have to do with |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Good. Then I Hope We Don't Hear Any Complaints From You If The SD's Choose Hillary. Thanks. |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #40 |
103. Oh but you will. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
238. Complaints? no. I just won't be voting for her. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #238 |
250. You'd Really Rather McCain Be The President? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #250 |
319. Don't see enough of a difference |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #32 |
102. My point exactly. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
33. I will be willing to get rid of caucuses after we get rid of super delegates.... |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
41. Caucas requires dedicated voters - measures real commitment |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #41 |
68. First Off, That's Kinda Bullshit. Second Of All, It's Irrelevant On It's Face. |
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milkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
42. What it shows is one candidate knows how to manage a campaign & the other candidate is a fuck-up. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
46. Here's proof you are wrong |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #46 |
88. You Call That Proof?????? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #88 |
125. Mindless people |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #88 |
157. As much proof as your OP: 2.8 million votes, a 100K diff. and Hillary couldn't close the deal |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #157 |
177. Actually, The OP Has Real Proof, Whereas Your Link Was An Illogical Mess. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #177 |
186. Who got more delegates in TX, Obama or Hillary? n/t |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #186 |
189. What Does That Have To Do With The OP? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #189 |
200. Why are you afraid to answer the question? n/t |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #200 |
201. There's No Fear In Answering The Question, Since It Is Readily Known. But It's Still An Irrelevant |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #201 |
210. Care to answer the question: who won TX? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #210 |
212. Again, Your Post Is Completely Irrelevant. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #212 |
234. yep; the desparation of his/her dodge is so obvious. nt |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
47. OMC, I thank you for drawing attention to caucuses. I am not a HRC supporter, but.. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
49. Question - are the caucuses open like the primary or closed? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #49 |
58. They are open to anyone who voted in the party's primary. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Thanks - next question - what did they vote on in the primaries (machine wise)? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Depends. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Thanks, RQ! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. My pleasure of course! |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
64. I think you need to be stamped "Democrat" to participate in the Caucuses. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
55. We are a Representative Democracy, not a pure democracy |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
56. Excellent post, Operationmindcrime. You made the perfect case for doing away w/ caucuses. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #56 |
80. Also a perfect case for doing away with the Senate, the House |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #80 |
91. What On Earth Are You Talking About? |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #91 |
104. You want Democracy? You want the will of the people? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #104 |
153. That's One Of The Most Illogical Replies I've Ever Seen. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #153 |
183. Sour grapes n/t |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #183 |
190. You're Sour That I Blew Your Warped Arguments Out Of The Water? Sorry To Hear That. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #190 |
211. I'm winning, you're whining. And you say I'm sour? LOL! |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #211 |
213. Your Logic Was Decimated, And There's Not One Post Of Mine In This Thread That's Whining. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #213 |
218. Get over yourself |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #218 |
223. Actually, There Are Things In Motion To Do Away With Them. |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #223 |
277. Like YOU? nt |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #277 |
279. Sure. But There's More Than That Too, As Per A Poster In This Thread. |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #104 |
276. Yeah, its like he is a petulant child who didn't get his way! nt |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #276 |
282. So Do You Have Anything Of Any Merit Or Substance To Say, Or Just Stupid Shit? |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #282 |
284. Does that apply to you too? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #284 |
289. I've Responded Countless Times In This Thread With Logic And Intellect. You? Not So Much. |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #289 |
292. I'm not out to prove anything - YOU are. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #292 |
295. I've Already Proven My Point. |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #295 |
299. You have? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #299 |
302. Yes. My 500 Responses In This Thread Have All Been Towards People Who Agree. |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #91 |
275. Is this supposed to be one of your "intelligent responses"? nt |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #275 |
283. Coming From You, That's Pretty Funny. |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #283 |
285. Another "intelligent response"! nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
60. Not sure why this wasn't an outrage when Bill did well in them. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. It wasn't. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #60 |
71. it's not "bellyaching" if you want attention drawn to the caucus process itself. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Cause the're used to it? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #74 |
96. keep guessing....n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. What difference does it make, really? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #97 |
101. Hmm...I guess you are really onto the "problem", eh? n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #101 |
108. If you mean the "problem" |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #108 |
128. BINGO! It's all geared for the party insiders and elders to call the shots. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #128 |
135. Well again, doesn't really matter. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #135 |
143. And you can't change it because the powers that be want to keep it in place, right? n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #143 |
145. Did I say that? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. However, I beg to differ. It's "bellyaching" if it's tied to a particular candidate's results. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Nope, I'm been trying to drawn attention to them for some time on DU. I am DEFINITELY NOT a HRC |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #83 |
94. If you were up in arms over it before this primary season |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #94 |
98. I do think people need to listen to EVERYONE calling attention to caucuses, no matter which |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. I think there's a time and a place. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #100 |
107. I disagree - this is the PERFECT time to discuss it. Hopefully, it can be changed. n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #107 |
113. I dunno... |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #113 |
127. that's the whole point! The "party insiders" decide. Joe Democrat doesn't n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #127 |
136. Not all "party insiders" are the same. e.g. Howard Dean. |
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NDambi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #60 |
82. Amen..amazing no one complained about caucuses until now . |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. a lot of people didn't really understand the process until now. There has been an awakening. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
181. I'm Not Sure Why Either. I Don't Know Why Democrats Who Have Known How These Work, Haven't ALREADY |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #181 |
196. Shame on anyone who disagrees? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #196 |
202. Yup. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #202 |
205. Hah... so shame on anyone who participates in US politics? |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
66. We've got two proofs. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #66 |
95. What bullshit. |
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Ronnie (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #95 |
180. "retirees, who have all day to caucus" |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
77. OMG! Pigs are flying. I have to agree with the HRC supporters that the caucus system needs to go. |
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NDambi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
78. Problem with caucuses...change the rules after the GE...until then STFU! |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #78 |
89. That's fine. No problem They need to be changed. n/t |
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NDambi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #89 |
99. Okay if people feel that way...but all the whining now doesn't and won't change the system.. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #99 |
116. Drawing attention to a problem isn't "whining". Before a problem can be fixed, people have to be |
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NDambi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #116 |
151. Some are drawing attetion. Some are whining because their candidate is losing.. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #151 |
164. well, I think attention should be drawn to the flaws in the system--whoever is |
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NDambi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #164 |
199. I won't flame..you appear to be a reasonable and sensible person...its just that I question motives. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
92. Get rid of the caucuses. Have a primary. Let the people decide. n/t |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
110. Excellent point - anybody who thinks that a caucus is a "fair" system is joking themselves |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #110 |
120. Thank you, Hugh. Yes, the caucus system needs to go. n/t |
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not_too_L8 (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
111. thinking differently because Hillary lost? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #111 |
188. Nope. YOU'RE Thinking Differently Because Obama Won. That's Why You Don't Care. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
112. Ummm.... Texas' "prima-caucus" system was designed as it is ... |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #112 |
226. Amen and thank you! |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #226 |
241. That excitement you relate is another reason some states go with caucuses ... |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #241 |
271. Absolutely. n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #226 |
317. "A lot of the criticism here is from people who don't caucus" -- and you know that, HOW? n/t |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
114. Maybe the popular vote was reflective. |
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Leafy Geneva (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
117. Caucuses certainly DO reflect the will of the people. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #117 |
191. I Still Consider This To Be Such A Dumb Argument. |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
123. k |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
124. Down with caucuses. Thanks for the example. (eom) |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
126. OMC, I thank you for the discussion on this thread. I have tried to draw attention to the whole |
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FlyingSquirrel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
131. Obama is ahead in popular vote of ALL the primaries combined including FL/MI |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #131 |
192. Well Yay For Him. What's Your Point? |
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shaniqua6392 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
138. I hope our re-vote in Michigan is not a caucus. |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
154. Keep it rockin' OMC. Kick. |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
155. Mostly Agree With You |
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mimitabby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #155 |
167. I love the caucus! |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #167 |
175. Hopefully you didn't attend one of the 3 caucuses whose votes were thrown in the garbage. |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #167 |
184. So Do I |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
162. Your numbers are wrong. Over 1 million Texans attended the Caucuses. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #162 |
195. I Was Going By CNN, And Regardless, The Number Is Irrelevant. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #195 |
208. The Number is not irrelevant. You are just plain wrong. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #208 |
215. As It Relates To The Argument Of The OP, It IS Irrelevant. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #215 |
224. You still do not understand that a Primary and a Caucus are meant to gauge different things |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
165. Caucus = Cheap - Cheap - Cheap |
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Liberal Gramma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
172. I heard, on Air America, a Texas pol |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #172 |
185. You do know that more Republicans voted for Obama than Hillary, don't you? |
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Liberal Gramma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #185 |
259. I think there's some of both |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #172 |
198. fact 52% of "registered" Texas Republicans voted for Obama...67% "registered" TX Dems for Clinton |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #198 |
203. WOOHOOOOOO FOR FACTS!!!!!!! |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
187. Boo hoo, Hillary sure thought caucuses were fair when campaigning hard in Iowa |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
193. You could save yourself some grief here. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #193 |
204. I'm Talking About Caucuses Period. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #204 |
221. And I'm saying they are useful. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #221 |
225. Since The GE Contains NO Caucuses, I'd Say That The Primary Part Is Far More Reflective Than The |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #225 |
231. It's becoming obvious that you are not interested in learning about this. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #231 |
235. I Like Facts As Opposed To Opinion. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #235 |
314. The problem is this; you don't want to deal with all the facts. |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
206. Once again, Hillary loses a caucus, so it's undemocratic. Yawn. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. Wrong. You Are Responding Ignorantly And In A Knee Jerk Fashion. Try And Snap Out Of It. |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #207 |
214. Again I say, yawn. |
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Ronnie (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
209. FYI: |
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RockaFowler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
216. Why are there 2 votes in Texas?? |
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CampDem (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
219. My caucus in Alaska was a freeze your a** off, walk 1/2 a mile joke!!! |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
220. It's only "well known" by people shilling for the Clinton campaign. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #220 |
227. It Is Well Known By Anyone With Even Basic Knowledge Of Caucuses. |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
228. BAHHHHHHH ROARRRRRRR SNARFFFFF GARBLE GARBLE ROARRRRRR!!!!!! |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #228 |
236. See Lyny Skyny, That Only Works When The OP Is Spouting Blatant Lunacy And Completely Warped Premise |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
230. very good analysis, OMC. it's obvious that caucuses only represent the extreme activists among |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #230 |
239. LOL. Did you see the turnout? I had 400 at my caucus. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #230 |
247. Yeah, you should have SEEN the "extreme activists" at MY caucus |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
242. I was at a Texas caucus |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #242 |
249. A friend who WAS, exactly supports the o.p.'s points. |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #249 |
254. Caucuses measure grass-roots support |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #254 |
321. No they don't . They measure FANATICS/cults. n/t |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #242 |
251. That's Relevant To The Argument How Now? |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #251 |
253. OMC, you really need a new line |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #253 |
262. Then Stop Posting Nonsense. |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #262 |
274. Talking to yourself again? nt |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #251 |
273. You really should learn how to keep an argument COGENT. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #273 |
278. Sorry Honey, But My Post Was Fine. Their Argument Made No Sense And Had No Relevance To The |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #278 |
286. Anyone with a point against Hillary "makes no sense"... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #286 |
293. LOL At Your Inability To Provide ANYTHING Logical. You're Nothing But Empty Childish Retort. |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
246. As crazy as the two-step was, it did, indeed, make your point. |
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Slagathor (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
255. I can't be bothered to search your posting history... do you support the superdelegates? |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #255 |
281. That won't stop him. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #281 |
301. Awwwww, That's Cute My Little Pet! Now You're Making Up Accusations. ADORABLE!!!!! |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
256. Caucuses clearly measure the strength of support for the candidate. Either way, those are the rules! |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
257. Texans want Obama. Obama could turn Texas blue |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #257 |
263. Wow. Another One Thinking That Stupid Link Does Anything To Overcome The Facts Of The OP. |
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theredpen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #263 |
267. Sigh. *PLONK* |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
258. Rush Limbaugh's cronies were too cowardly to show up at a caucus. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #258 |
264. You Realize How Weak And Ignorant Of An Argument That Is, Right? |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #264 |
270. I can tell from your snark that Radical pissed you off... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #270 |
287. LOL Wow Is Your Perception Off. Hilarity Doesn't Equal Anger. |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #287 |
288. You aren't lauging. You are PISSSED... nt |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #288 |
298. Okey Dokey Skatey Watey! Whatever Makes You Feel Like You Have Worth! |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #298 |
315. Keep trying to convince us you don't care... |
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pdxmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
261. Caucuses, in one form or another, have been around for over 100 years. I |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #261 |
265. Ad Hominems Are Worthless As It Relates To The Validity Of The OP. Care To Try Again? |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
280. Open voting doesn't represent the will of Democrats either. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
290. Why weren't Hillary's voters allowed to caucus? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #290 |
296. Miss The Point Much? |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #296 |
303. Not much, and I didn't here, either... |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
291. I voted for Obama in the TX primary |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #291 |
297. Thank You For That. |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
294. All the proof I need that Republican crossover voting... |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
300. Huh? The numbers are proof ? |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
304. Your analysis is |
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AJH032 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
307. You are correct |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
308. it has been that way for years, why complain just now ? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #308 |
309. Because I Just Learned About Them In Depth This Year. Duh. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #309 |
310. i know what caucuses are |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #310 |
311. What The Fuck Do You Think I'm Trying To Do? |
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rcsl1998 (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
313. What'll Happen In The GE When You Can't Override The Actual Voting Public... |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
318. A caller on AA today who worked the TX primaries |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
320. What if it's just the opposite, OMC? |
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Turn CO Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
322. And I suppose the Colorado caucus didn't represent the will |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
323. They represent the will of the doorbellers and phonebankers |
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Thepricebreaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
324. OMFG are you kidding? KO was right you people are really trying to do this... |
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