Ken Burch
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Mon Mar-10-08 11:22 PM
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Why Obama is the only healthy, positive choice for the party now. |
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1) Obama is the only one who can now be nominated by positive, rather than negative appeals.
2) Obama is the only one who's nomination EXPANDS our voting base.
3) Obama has at least some independence from the Beltway and is the only one whose victory will allow the space for party reform.
4) Obama is the only one who actually inspires enthusiasm. A candidate no one feels enthusiasm or, yes, hope, when thinking about can't win. Mondale, Dukakis, Gore in 2000 and Kerry prove this.
Let's find unity. Let's win.
Let's take our party away from the Beltway and give it back to the people.
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Mon Mar-10-08 11:25 PM
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1. Trust of Obama is hard after Obama lies about Nafta meeting, and advisers saying |
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social programs and out of Iraq dates are not really expected.
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Ken Burch
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Mon Mar-10-08 11:27 PM
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6. He didn't lie about NAFTA, and this has now been proved. |
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Mon Mar-10-08 11:28 PM
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7. your post is a lie -Obama is on video saying there was no meeting - and that was a lie |
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Mon Mar-10-08 11:36 PM
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Mon Mar-10-08 11:25 PM
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Let's get one thing straight-- AL Gore won the popular vote in 2000-- he was the people's choice. He got at least a half million more votes than bu$h. He was cheated out of the election by bu$h's brother, bu$h's campaign co-chair (who was in charge of counting the votes in Florida), bu$h's father's appointees on the "Supreme Court", and a host of other nefarious characters.
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Mon Mar-10-08 11:26 PM
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4. He won the popular vote by a narrow enough margin to make Florida possible. |
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And I'm not bashing Gore in that, I'm making a point about campaign approaches.
I like Al now.
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Mon Mar-10-08 11:27 PM
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Where does someone get off claiming there was no enthusiasm for Gore?
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Mon Mar-10-08 11:28 PM
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8. There was enthusiasm when he was briefly populist. |
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There was none when the DLC made him go back to "eat your spinach".
If he'd stayed with "the people, not the powerful" throughout the campaign, Gore would've won in a walk.
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Tue Mar-11-08 12:26 AM
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14. One problem with Gore |
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was that it is hard to get people roused when they are relatively well off. Most people were doing fairly well at the end of Clinton's 2nd term, so it would not have been practical to run a campaign on "hope". Gore also had to contend with Clinton's overblown (pardon the pun) "scandals", even though he wasn't involved in them. What's more, nitwits disguised as political commentators. like Maureen Dowd, were belittling Al Gore every chance they got ("earth tones", "stiff", "boring", "too smart"), while essentially giving Junior a pass even when he made howling errors about even basic things.
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Mon Mar-10-08 11:26 PM
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Mon Mar-10-08 11:36 PM
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9. Ah, there's the distinction..one is |
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a healthy healing choice and the other is the Fear Card from hell.
Yeah, hilary you're scary enough. Boo.
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Mon Mar-10-08 11:57 PM
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11. And the worst thing is, there's nothing the HRC campaign fears more than |
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A strong, progressive, grassroots, enthusiam-fueled, and ELECTABLE Democratic Party.
There idea of heaven is the day Newt became speaker.
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Tue Mar-11-08 12:06 AM
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Tue Mar-11-08 12:11 AM
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13. Are you actually serious when you say the HRC campaign fears an electable Democratic Party? |
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What a frigging pantload that is.
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Ken Burch
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Tue Mar-11-08 12:30 AM
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15. You guys would be perfectly happy scraping into the WH with 50% and conceding Congress to the right |
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The Nineties prove this.
And the horrible posts equating Obama's supporters, who are guilty of nothing but enthusiasm and idealism, of being a violence-prone cult prove it as well.
You hate the idea of a party that attracts enthusiam.
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