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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:16 PM
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It is mathematically impossible for Hillary to win the nomination.

Let's count the ways that Obama is winning:

1.) Pledged Delegates: (Using AP's numbers, with Obama's count in parenthesis)

Obama: 1,390 (1,411)
Clinton: 1,248 (1,250)


2.) Popular vote: I updated this post with results from Mississippi. I took out the Texas caucuses just to give this the best pro-Clinton spin possible, though I still think the caucuses are a separate contest and need to be accounted for. (Obama ended up winning Mississippi by over 100,000 votes.)

Obama: 13,614,204
Clinton: 12,801,153


3.) Primaries Won: There are 37 total primary contests. All Obama has to do is win three more and he notches the lead in these contests. He can do that easily with just three out of Montana, South Dakota, Oregon, Indiana, and North Carolina.

Obama: 16
Clinton: 12


4.) Caucuses Won

Obama: 14
Clinton: 3


5.) Overall contests Won: It's a 2-1 Obama advantage (includes territories and Democrats Abroad).

Obama: 30
Clinton: 15


6.) Red and Blue States Won (including DC, not including territories or Democrats Abroad):

Obama: 16 Red, 11 Blue
Clinton: 8 Red, 6 Blue


8.) Money Raised (through February)

Obama: $168 million
Clinton: $140 million

So that leaves the Clinton campaign with what, exactly? Big states! Big states! Big states! I addressed that one yesterday.

Team Clinton has nothing except schemes of coup by super delegate, which they apparently think they can do by insulting entire Democratic constituencies and most of our nation's states.

But really, what else do they have? Their campaign is losing by every metric possible.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/13/134235/517/95/475879
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:19 PM
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1. C'mon...we're not talking about MATH
We're talking about how much Obama is a raging racist and want to destroy the White race. Get with the program...

:sarcasm:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:24 PM
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2. Right !
What's math got to do with it?
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:25 PM
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3. Two words: Jeremiah Wright. Hillary's going to be the Dem nominee
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:30 PM
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5. This won't help Hillary.
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 09:30 PM by cottonseed
It won't help Hillary. It will be back during the general though. I'm looking forward to working with all Democrats to beat McCain in November.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:03 PM
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15. Guilt by association seldom sticks
Hillary should know that as well.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:29 PM
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22. I understand that a manufactured "scandal" is all you have to pin your hopes on
but its pretty funny to watch.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:25 PM
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4. If I had $5 for every one of these sorts of pieces I've read
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 09:26 PM by depakid
I might be able to afford a trip to Belize.

If Edwards hadn't copped out- I might have even been able to afford Europe.

And If we counted all the Hillary inevitability threads from last summer and fall- I could have done it all by chartered jet!
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:44 PM
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24. belize
what a great place
mexico in english
if you want a great stay go to belize
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:32 PM
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6. Tomorrow is pi day.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:23 PM
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18. "Pi is an irrational number meaning it will continue infinitely without repeating"
Oh, sure. Trying to sneak an irrational post into GD-P. :D
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:27 PM
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21. Lol. That definition seems to fit GDP, except for the no repeating part.
:)
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:54 PM
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25. That was my thought exactly!
GD-P = irrational numbers of posters meaning we will continue infinitely with repeating. :spray:

One could say we are diametrically opposed...
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:33 PM
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7. You can add these as well
9) More donors

10 More endorsements by Govenors

11)More endorsemetns by Senators

12)More popular votes in the 7 largest contested primaries so far.


what does Hillary have?



Hillary has a speech
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:35 PM
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9. Hillary has ...

Hillary has the most loyal following amongst dittoheads.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:40 PM
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11. Hillary has the most intense combustable concentration of bitterness harbored by a group of
people who are completely convinced that they have been denied their historical reward.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:43 PM
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13. You haven't been paying attention ...

For some reason those Republicans you reference are supporting here ... hmmmm....

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:04 PM
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16. yes?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:35 PM
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8. Just scroll down and see #3 devoid of logic or perspective.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:42 PM
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12. "Pastor" Wright and Hannity may have fixed that
.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:53 PM
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14. nonsense as to popular vote - RealClearPolitics.com has Obama up 80 k incl Mich/FL
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 09:57 PM by papau
Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)* - 13,856,984 47.5% 13,776,339 47.3% Obama +80,645 +0.2%


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Add in PA and PR and assume close in 8 others and Hillary ends up with more popular vote coming into convention.

A redo of Mich/FL would help Obama by decreasing her margins in those states
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:12 PM
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17. This will be in the hands of the super delegates.
Bet on it!

And they will come to the inevitable conclusion that every prior election in recent history has come down to Florida and Ohio.

They will also realize that November 7th will not be a caucus. And they will find obama is not a Rocky, he's a rookie.

Then they will play Hail to the Chief-ess on the Capitol steps in January.
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From The Left Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:23 PM
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19. Obama Will Lock It Down May 20th. Buh-bye Hillary
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:27 PM
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20. Of course it's mathematically impossible; she doesn't care.
She gratuitously body-slammed John Kerry in 2004 when Kerry was miquoted. The Clintons have a long and distinguished history of stabbing fellow Democrats in the back, now a pattern of those running for president.

Rather I look to Obama's capacious coattails. Bill Foster who just won Hastert's seat was Obama's guy. Oh yeah.
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verelsol Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:38 PM
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23. It is virtually impossible. Not mathematically
Mathematically means that Clinton cannot win even if she got 100% of the vote in every election.

That is not the case. Let's not use the word "mathematically" where it does not belong.
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:17 AM
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28. yep
though I wouldn't even say virtually impossible. I would just say improbable at this point. Anything can happen between now and the next primary to shift voters' and superdelegates' preferences.
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:58 PM
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26. "Clinton has nothing except schemes of coup by super delegate" Say it again, why math don't matter.
It's the Clintons. It's about them, NOT the party!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:06 AM
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27. K & R
:thumbsup:
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:25 AM
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29. looks bad for Hillary
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:34 AM
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30. You forgot about the 796 superdelegates
Right now it is still not clear who would have the best chance of winning the Whitehouse.

Superdelegates will look at the popular vote totals - especially in blue states and battleground states.

They will also look at all kinds of national and state-level polls.
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