Obama: "Words matter" so please tell us which words

[GoldieAZ49]

of Reverend Wright matter and which words don't.

Obama continues to say 'he strongly or deeply disagrees with some of Wrights comments, so what does he agree with?

The 'crazy uncle' line doesn't cut it. We don't pick our uncles, we do pick our mentors and spiritual advisers.

So what does Obama deeply agrees with Wright on?

There must be a lot, he is his protege after all. 20 years of allegiance with this pastor as his mentor he must have strong agreements with the man. What exactly are they?

Remember Words Matter

Anyone know what Obama does agree with his mentor on?

[displacedtexan]

1. I guess it's the "Just Words?" words.

Whatever that means.

Good question! What does Obama agree with his mentor on?

[Drachasor]

2. Breaking News! Some Americans have friends and mentors they don't always agree with!

[OhioBlue]

5. exactly. n/t

[GoldieAZ49]

7. Breaking News! You agree with something or you don't spend 20 years as their protoge

Words matter, remember?

Which words of Wrights matter to this man that wants to be POTUS and leader of the free world.

He is asking for my vote, I would like to know.

[Drachasor]

16. Look up "protege", Obama isn't Wright's. Obama has been very clear that he and Wright disagree

Obama has already denounced the controversial statements by Wright many times. This is a non-issue.

[GoldieAZ49]

22. I know what he says he doesn't agree with, I want to hear what he does agree with

Obama uses the word mentor, that makes him the protege


Look it up:

Mentorship refers to a developmental relationship between a more experienced mentor and a less experienced partner referred to as a protégé—a person guided and protected by a more prominent person.

[Drachasor]

28. What he agrees with? Probably almost all the other speeches. Those aren't inflammatory

The decades of normal stuff doesn't make the news, only a handful of speeches did. Think about that and how Wright talks every week (or more often). There's clearly nothing radical about what most of Wright says.

Wright didn't protect Obama. It's more of a student/teacher relationship (in a limited sense). Protege isn't the right word and it implies a level of subservience that doesn't exist (it's just too strong a word).

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

38. It would be impossible to list

I agree with x,y,z... when you have been in a church a long time.

Ive only been at my church 5 years but thats 250+ sermons I have heard each being about an hour and fifteen minutes... Thats nineteen thousand minutes (312 hours, or nearly two strait weeks!). Perhaps you can find something he said and limit it to that..

[GoldieAZ49]

55. It needs to be out there in the public view

there are all these tapes the church sells, I am sure Obama can release some of those clips


Hearing his spiritual adviser over and over saying GD America is only going to condemn his campaign

[Drachasor]

56. Good idea. Let's hope that is done.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

76. Its also patently ridiculous...

Its akin to calling him a pig fu(<3r just to make him deny it... Please point at something you want to know...

He is running for president and while I am sure Hillary supporters would love him to take 2-4 weeks off from smacking about their candidate to review tapes with a notepad but it aint gonna happen.

[blm]

75. HAHAH - the same ones Clintons reject from BILLY GRAHAM'S taped anti-Semitic remarks

My how we all forget the REALITY of this world and WHO the biggest influences on this world and country have been.

[bellasgrams]

12. Knowing the man and his feelings about whites and the US he

showed very poor judgement in attending that church for 20 yrs. There are plenty of respectible churches in Chicago. Who would even want their children exposed to that kind of person. Churches don't usually fill people with hate. At least I've never been to one that did. Very poor judgement indeed. He certainly doesn't need to be anywhere near the WH. As far as that goes if he and his wife hate America that much they should find a country they respect and run for president there.

[Drachasor]

17. A guy who gives a crappy speech once every year or two does not a bad pastor make

I'm sure Obama talked to his kids after a sermon he disagreed with. All the disagreeable speeches seem to be pretty recent too. There doesn't seem to be a bad judgment choice here. You are making mountains out of molehills -- most people don't always agree with their minister/pastor/etc.

[Mags]

30. How do you know he talked with his kids?

[Drachasor]

35. I used I turn of phrase that means I presume he did. Why? Because he seems like a good dad

Any good parent would talk to their kids if they heard someone they normally respect say something they profoundly disagree with. That just makes sense.

[Mags]

42. didn't know, I just wondered if you personally knew this.

[bellasgrams]

47. Mags, Don't his kids go to church? In BO's interviews he also

sounds like they have been friends for years. How many people find it necessary to keep their kids away from their pastor. Don't try to convince me that BO didn't agree with Wright they are tight.

[Drachasor]

54. I have good friends and people I respect and am close to. On some topics we profoundly disagree.

One of my friends regularly listens to O'Reilly and Limbaugh (and believes them, largely). Just because he is my friends and I respect him doesn't mean I agree with anything he says.

Similarly, I have had mentors at school and elsewhere that I have profoundly disagreed with on a number of issues. That doesn't mean I don't respect and agree with them on a great number of topics. That doesn't mean they can't provide me with good advice.

What a sorry state we'd be in if we could only associate or respect people who believed the exact same thing we already believed. Let's not demand that kind of insanity from our leaders.

Edit: Also, you were responding to me (as far as content goes). ;)

[bellasgrams]

37. If my minister talked that way about anyone I would more than

disagree. I would write or call the head of the UCC in which my son-in-law is a pastor, and would immediately call the local members of the church and there would be a vote to get rid of him. No matter the race of the pastor, or the race he was blasting. Again as in previous posts before all is came out and just hearing little tidbits I couldn't understand anyone attending a church for 20 years with a hate mongering pastor. What does that tell you about BO? It tells me plenty. I want no part of him or anyone that evil.

[Drachasor]

41. As far as I can tell, this guy only started doing this recently, near his retirement

After knowing someone for 15+ years you'd probably be less likely to do what you just said.

[Bake]

70. I've been in church my whole life

If my pastor said anything approaching what Wright said, ("G.D.A.") I'd be out of my seat and visibly/vocally out the door with resignation letter to follow.

I'm a Baptist, and believe me, we'll walk out if so much as don't like the preacher's suit or hair!

Bake

[Drachasor]

73. The question is: do you believe that is the ONLY acceptable course of action

[BlackVelvet04]

46. BULLSHIT.....

nobody in their right mind sits in a church listening to what they dont' agree with for 20 years, nor do they choose for their spiritual personal mentor someone they don't agree with on fundamental basics.

[Drachasor]

59. We are talking about a handful of speeches. All of them in the last few years it seems.

That's not listening to these sorts of speeches constantly. Apparently this guy hardly ever gave a speech of the kind you are talking about, and only did so after Obama had been in the Church 15+ years. Also, I don't think any of the speeches are fundamental to Christian belief (nor, since they were so rarely given and only recently given, are they fundamental to Wright's beliefs, it seems).

[Arkansas Granny]

48. Breaking News! Some Americans are not trying to get elected to the Presidency!

[Drachasor]

61. Are we really going to demand that any candidate never associates with someone they disagree with..

some of the time on some topics? That way lies madness.

[bellasgrams]

65. Do you really just not get it or are you just playing dumb. This

is a so called spiritual leader preaching hate of America and white people from the pulpit. That's a little stronger than not getting along because of politics, or the abortions issue, etc. We're talking racist hate mongering and the potential president attending the church and saying the man is like an uncle. He agrees with the guy or he wouldn't have stayed there 20 yrs.

[Drachasor]

67. I think you are playing dumb if you think you either 100% agree with someone or don't associate

If you uncle said "god damn America" and went on a rant, would you stop talking to him? Would you consider your uncle incapable of giving good advice or having any wisdom?

Again, Wright has HARDLY EVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THIS. The media is reporting on less than 1% of his speeches that are very radical. If 99% of what someone says is decent to good, are you supposed to hold the 1% that is crazy against them and stop associating with him because of it? That IS madness. (Additionally, these speeches are relatively new from what I've seen).

Would you like to be judged based off the craziest 1% of speeches that someone you look up to has said? Seriously, this IS madness. If you take your craziest mentor, and then take the craziest things he has ever said, then of course it is going to look bad. That is no reason to think you believe these things he has said, however.

[leftofcool]

3. good question

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

4. Goldie, Goldie, Goldie

I have said it before, and will say it again.

It is math. 1 = 1=2. Always have, always will. She can't and won't win.
I know this is not because you can't do math. I am a teacher and gently chastise 12 year old girls who say that they don't or can't do math, because they are girls. That is sexist hogwash drummed into their heads by sexist parents/

Let's quit shooting at other democrats and agree to do this.


Campaign fairly, be passionate about it, and vote for Barack when he is our nominee.
Support our candidates with our votes, with our time, with our money and with our time. Let's quit shooting a fellow democrats.

[JoFerret]

15. Vote for democratic nominee WHOMEVER it is

.

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

21. I agree and would vote for Hillary

As I I have voted Democratic the past 10 presidential elections since 1968.
Math, People, it's math it doesn't and will not add up for her. It just doesn't.

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

80. sorry

I teach Science, not English. You are just like the 6th grade Language Arts teacher, she corrects me also.

[bellasgrams]

23. You're kidding, vote for BO? He should step down, he'll be

drummed out of town if this hits the mainstream news in detail. But, there is that double standard. They can say anything inflammable about Hillary and get by with it but call out BO on the truth and get called racist.

[GoldieAZ49]

25. Give me something to defend with

I am not going to make excuses for Wright's words

Obama needs to give his supporters the words he found so inspirational from Wright to use. I have not heard any yet.

[damonm]

31. If you've seen his last book, you have.

Try the title - "The Audacity of Hope" - straight from Pastor Wright.

[NanceGreggs]

6. Here's something that DOES matter ...

The fact that a candidate's personal religious beliefs or practices are just that, personal, and should remain so.

I am no more interested in Hillary's religious leanings than I am Obama's, or anyone else's.

[Texas Hill Country]

13. these arent necessarily religious issues... they are worldviews and paradigms... big difference

[NanceGreggs]

53. Worldviews and paradigms expressed by Wright ...

... not by Obama. BIGGER difference.

[GoldieAZ49]

14. His pastor has made it clear that he has very strong political beliefs

Obama has made it clear that his pastor is his mentor.

That takes it out of the personal arena.

He continues to say what he doesn't agree with when his mentor gets bad press, he could just as easily say what he does agree with.

[NanceGreggs]

51. The fact that a politician ...

... has a relationship with someone in the context of the practice of their religion means that relationship is now "taken out of the personal arena"?

That's a reeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaalllllll stretch.

Obama didn't drag his pastor into the political arena - it's people who are trying to "dig up some dirt" who have.

"He continues to say what he doesn't agree with when his mentor gets bad press, he could just as easily say what he does agree with."

Why? Are all politicians now required to review everything their minister, rabbi, or priest has said over a lifetime, and state what they agree with, and what they don't?

Religion is not to be used as a litmus test for electing anyone to office, including the presidency. That's part of what separation of church and state is all about - or used to be about.

Sorry, people, but Hillary is not going to be the nominee. That's just the way it is. And grasping at straws like this is not going to change that.

[Rageneau]

24. Why aren't Ferraro's personal beliefs 'personal'?

Obamanians speak with forked tongues when they insist that the words of people in Hillary's campaign matter very much -- so much so that Keith Olberman devoted an entire 'special comment' to them -- but the words of people from Obama's campaign do not count.

How they can be so hypocritical.

First, out of necessity. Obamaniacs have to be hypocritical in order to criticize Hillary for the very same thing they insist Obama cannot be criticized for. Second, they have to be hypocritical in order to claim that Wright's words only amount to his personal, private religious beliefs.

Har, Har.

Wright is a racist who talks like a racist and he is 50 times closer to Obama than Ferraro is to Hillary.

[NanceGreggs]

33. Why aren't Ferraro's personal beliefs "personal"?

Because she expressed those beliefs in a political context, that's why.

[Iceburg]

36. The hyppocrisy of Obama supporters breaks new records every day/nt

[NanceGreggs]

57. The fact that you were reduced to calling me a hypocrit ...

... instead of explaining how I am being hypocritical, speaks for itself.

[bellasgrams]

63. Since when is it a personal religious belief to hate your country.

the country you want to be president of? "Personal religious belief", just doesn't get it. There's no excuse for a person, let alone a man running for president to attend a church where they say 'God damn America'. There's no way on God's green earth that can be acceptable. He should have known better a long time ago. He should not be allowed to make any decisions for the US. Where do his interests really lie. Does he want to be president so he can destroy what's left of this country?

[NanceGreggs]

64. Did Obama say he hated his country?

Link?

I obviously missed that ...

[Emit]

8. This is EXACTLY what Rush Limbaugh ranted about this morning

and is probably continuing to rant about right now.

[NYCGirl]

9. There are likely good words in Wright's 20+ year career that haven't been

played over and over by Sean Hannity. Ever consider that?

[GoldieAZ49]

18. Great! and That is what should be on the air right now

to counter all the negatives. Why isn't it?

[NYCGirl]

19. Because whoever is pushing this doesn't want those words on the air. NT

[tammywammy]

82. No logic allowed!

This is GD: P!



:P

[Nitrogenica]

10. I know one thing. I'm sick and tired of negative bullcrap.

You are now ignored.

[rucky]

11. You heard the same words everybody else has

so what do you agree/disagree with?

Words matter differently, depending on who's doing the saying and who's doing the listening. I don't know why you'd want Obama to make that determination for you.

[Joe the Revelator]

20. The frustration mounts for Hillbots...

still checking Drudge every ten minutes to see if this story is getting any attention?

[GoldieAZ49]

32. I never supported Hillary so that dog don't hunt

I have been behind Obama since January...now, not so much


I do believe Words Matter

and the words of the mentor are getting all the shock value needed with no effective response

[Mags]

40. You need to check now, it's there, link to WSJ

[zulchzulu]

26. Stick in your corner with the whiner and the cheating husband ferchrissakes...

This whole Wright thing is a non-issue because:

• Hillary isn't going to be the nominee anyway
  
• If McCain wants to bring up pastors, Obama will nuke him with his Hagee link

Keep bringing it up here. People outside this forum and in the real world don't give a rat's ass about Obama's former pastor...

[GoldieAZ49]

34. Never was a H supporter

If you don't think Obama supporters are questioning their choice you are delusional

[angie_love]

50. I'm an obama supporter and I'm NOT questioning my choice, however I am disappointed

in his pastor. I can differentiate between Obama and his pastor. I love some of my friends but I don't agree with everything they say. Sometimes I hate what they say. But their good overwhelms their bad aspects and thats why I'm still their friend.

[GoldieAZ49]

77. I have had mentors, and I cannot ever imagine having one that held the

views of Wright, even tho I would never seek public office

How they thought this would not come out is disappointing

[mrreowwr_kittty]

27. Hillary picked Mark Penn as an advisor. What does she agree with him on?

Professional soldiers slaughtering innocent people?

[GoldieAZ49]

39. Really catburgler I don't know

I have never paid much attention to the Hillary campaign because I have never been a supporter.

[stillcool]

29. I agree with his mentor..

and I agree that words matter.

[anonymous171]

43. I'll tell you whose words matter: Obama's.

[GoldieAZ49]

49. Exactly - so why isn't he telling us?

That is exactly what would be the perfect counter to all these clips


Tell us the inspiration from Wright that led him to hope, change, unity and transcending racial and political lines


I don't think that is asking to much

[rucky]

78. I think you can figure it out, when you compare an Obama speech..

with a Wright sermon.

[bellasgrams]

68. It's been over 24 yrs, havn't heard an escuse yet. Could be he

doesn't have one. He apparently agreed with Wright or he wouldn't have stuck around 20 yrs. As for the person that keeps saying all his sermons weren't that bad, how about his friendship with Lewis Farrakhan, that should have alerted more bells for BO. He isn't that stupid is he? That he would do all this innocently?

[Buzz Clik]

44. Here are some different words: "Throw some shit at the wall and see what sticks."

Are we there yet?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. How 'bout these words: Hillary's toast. Can't we at least agree on that?

[GoldieAZ49]

52. agreed, now to avoid the Dem party being toast in Nov with Obama

being silent or weak on Wright needs to be addressed and it isn't

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

62. Obama is starting to address this non-story, but in a way that does not make it into one.

But, I agree, he needs to undo the damage that Ferraro and Hillary have tried to unleash on him, which opened the door for Faux News and friends to add to add their voices to the race baiting.

[bellasgrams]

69. Why is it that anything that is truthfully spoken about BO is

racist or race baiting. There's that old douable standard again.

[greyghost]

58. The Patriots were going to be 19-0 too.

[Buzz Clik]

66. True. But most of that big talk had died down by the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl.

We're in the fourth quarter of the primaries. Have you checked the score?

[greyghost]

85. We're at half-time. I've been at this to many years to write off

either one. It's simply to close to call. If the Obama supporters really want to help their man they should stop hanging out here and get out and do it.

Most of the members of DU are either Kucinich or Edwards supporters. Hanging out here, repeatedly stating that Hillary has lost, isn't accomplishing ANYTHING. She can waltz right into Denver and come out the nominee.

BTW, I'm an Edwards supporter, who ever we nominate gets my vote.

[dcindian]

60. every one can only speak to their own words.

All of this lunatic posting on tying someone else's words to a candidate is Orwellian.

[VotesForWomen]

71. right, it's not like they were vague acquaintances; O *chose* to go to the guy's church for many yea

years; that means something.

[Buzz Clik]

72. You're drawing parallels between a man's religious views and his political views?

Goodness. Not very Democratic of you.

[GoldieAZ49]

74. Which view is worse

The political view that America is at fault for the 911 attacks

Or the religious view that it is in the Bible to say GD America

I don't think either is going over to well in middle America

[Buzz Clik]

83. Amazing. So, Wright says something wacko, and now it's Obama's.

Damn.

[rodeodance]

79. and poop Judgment in associating with Reszo for 15 years!

[Buzz Clik]

84. Yeah!

:eyes:

[cottonseed]

81. That's like asking Hillary to attend funerals for every victim of Cluster Bombing.

Now you're just being unfair.

Remember Votes Matter.