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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:18 AM
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Can Someone Explain to me what "The Fellowship" Is?
I've heard posters mention it in other threads, but have never looked into it. And what does it have to do with Hillary Clinton?
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:19 AM
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1. I haven't look into it closely. Always seemed like a conspiracy theory
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:20 AM
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4. It's not a "conspiracy theory" Hillary supporters can dismiss as nothing. It's documented.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:20 AM
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2. Something about hobbits, I think
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:20 AM
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6. yeah, make fun of it. But it's still real, documented fact.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:45 AM
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15. k that's funny :)
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:32 AM
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31. Damn you--you beat me to it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:20 AM
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3. Here.....
what may startle people, including her supporters, is that the group she has associated herself with since 1993 which sponsors these groups as well as the National Prayer Breakfast is very conservative and exclusive. Known now as the Fellowship, it is a group that reporter Sharlet knows very well given his past investigative pieces in Harper's Magazine several years ago, and a Rolling Stone piece about Sam Brownback in 2006. Digby has written about this group as well. Even though Mother Jones will not post the piece online until Tuesday, I have been given permission to post segments of the piece in the extended entry. I encourage all of you to buy the current issue and read the piece for yourselves, because Hillary’s association with the Fellowship may lead some to question her judgment and true beliefs, given what the group stands for. http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/010937.php


Hotline-- Sept 2006

Hillary Clinton: The Faith Angle

Hillary Clinton’s hiring of “faith guru” Burns Strider as an adviser to her presumptive presidential campaign, reported two days ago in the Hotline, draws some rare attention to Clinton’s religiosity, as yet unexamined in the same way that ’08 heavyweights like Mitt Romney and, through his high-profile meeting with Pastor Rick Warren, Barack Obama have been.

In Clinton’s case, there’s plenty to examine: religion seems to be the only part of her life that hasn’t undergone rigorous scrutiny.


Though Strider, as a onetime staff member for Nancy Pelosi, is squarely in the liberal camp, Clinton is part of not one, but two, prayers groups with distinctly conservative bents: an exclusive Senate prayer group that meets on Wednesday mornings, and a women’s prayer group that she’s been a part of since her early White House days. The women’s group is run by Holly Leachman, a layperson at the McLean Bible Church in Virginia, itself magnet for prominent conservatives, including former independent counsel Kenneth Starr, Republican senators John Thune and James Inhofe, as well as several Bush staffers and their families.

Leach's prayer group includes many prominent Republican wives, among them Susan Baker, wife of Iraq Study Group co-chairman James Baker, who along with Leachman ministered to Hillary Clinton in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. (Leachman, mentioned briefly in Clinton’s memoir, Living History, is the wife of Washington Redskins chaplain Jerry Leachman).



Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics
For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating—or living her faith?

September 01 , 2007

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."
<>These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. Though weighted Republican, the breakfast—regularly attended by about 40 members—is a bipartisan opportunity for politicians to burnish their reputations, giving Clinton the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular.

Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum. But Clinton has also joined the gop on legislation that redefines social justice issues in terms of conservative morality, such as an anti-human-trafficking law that withheld funding from groups working on the sex trade if they didn't condemn prostitution in the proper terms. With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobs—say, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics.

Clinton has championed federal funding of faith-based social services, which she embraced years before George W. Bush did; Marci Hamilton, author of God vs. the Gavel, says that the Clintons' approach to faith-based initiatives "set the stage for Bush." Clinton has also long supported the Defense of Marriage Act, a measure that has become a purity test for any candidate wishing to avoid war with the Christian right.
http://www.motherjones.com/cgi-bin/print_article.pl?url=http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html
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Most of the prayer groups are informally affiliated with a secretive Christian organization called the Fellowship, established in the 1930s by a Methodist evangelist named Abraham Vereide, whose great hope was to preach the word of Jesus to political and business leaders throughout the world. Vereide believed that the best way to change the powerful was through discreet personal ministry, and over his lifetime he succeeded to a remarkable degree. The first Senate prayer group met over breakfast in 1943; a decade later one of its members, Senator Frank Carlson, persuaded Dwight Eisenhower to host a Presidential Prayer Breakfast, which has become a tradition.
<>
Hillary Clinton’s proficiency in this innermost sanctum has unnerved some of the capital’s most exalted religious conservatives. “You’re not talking about some tree-hugging, Jesus-is-my-Buddha sort of stuff,” says David Kuo, a former Bush official in the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, who worked with Clinton to promote joint legislation and who, like Brownback, has apologized to her for past misdeeds. “These are powerful evangelicals she’s meeting with.” Like many conservatives, they are caught between warring dictates of their faith: the religious one, which requires them to embrace a fellow Christian, and the political one, more powerful in some, which causes them to instinctively distrust the motives of a Clinton. Everyone in Washington experiences their dilemma at one time or another—the lack of an Archimedean point from which to judge Hillary Clinton.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200611/green-hillary







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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:26 AM
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9. Mother Jones and Harpers Magazine have done articles on it!!!
WOW! They're not just some tabloid newspapers posting sensationalism...
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:30 AM
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10. Yeah, so like I said, it always seemed like a conspiracy theory to me
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 12:30 AM by Drachasor
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:34 AM
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13. The Atlantic, the Leftcoaster, MotherJones, and Hot Line......
meaning bonafide news sources, as opposed to Newsmax and Fox.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:25 AM
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21. Please see my post below.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:09 PM
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35. That is enlightening
If nothing else, I learned where that "Presidential Prayer Breakfast" came from; why don't we keep religion completely out of politics?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:20 AM
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5. They are a group consisting of four hobbits, an elf, a dwarf, two men, and a Wizard.
Their goal is simple: Deliver the One Ring to Mount Doom.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:20 AM
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7. Maybe kind of like friendship?
But different somehow.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:31 AM
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11. Exactly. More like "fellows", but women are ok too.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:53 AM
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26. No it's a Women's Prayer Group; sexes are segregated. Sounds sexist to me!
HRC endorses "separate but equal" when it comes to religion. Well, well, well - where are all Las Clintonistas screaming about feminism and sexism now?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:44 PM
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32. so basically helping repug assholes pass terrible legislation because
she truly believes and setting us up with bush doesn't bother you. You are either bindered or a troll.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:22 AM
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8. Here you go:Hillary's spiritual mentor is Doug Coe who leads this Fellowship of Theocrats
When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:44 AM
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14. JESUS. FUCKING. CHRIST.
I already oppose her vehemently - how can I oppose her MORE for this insanity?

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:31 AM
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12. It's one scary group! And something ALL Democrats should know about!
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:11 AM
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27. Wow, they organize in "cells" just like terrorists.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 07:15 AM by Unbowed
The Theocracy Watch article is very eye-opening.

There should be more scrutiny into this organization, not only because of Clinton, but because we have a right-wing theocracy growing in our country in cells. That is some scary shist.


edit to add: Everyone should read this article! This quote sorta sums it all up:

"This is about more than business. This is about maintaining a certain kind of power, a certain view of how power should be distributed. The Episcopalian Old Boys Network was a lot more easygoing than this. This is a lot more militaristic. Really at its fundamental core, almost monarchist. We would be told time and time again, "Christ's kingdom is not a democracy" This is their model for leadership. They would often say, "Everything you need to know about government is right there in the cross - it's vertical not horizontal."
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:50 AM
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16. It's a nutty right wing power lovin' anti-american religous cult
Hillary the triangulator, joined so that right wing nutty christians would be less opposed to her 2008 presiduncy.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:48 AM
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28. If it were triangulation, I might be O.K. with that.
The Mother Jones article suggests Hillary is a true believer.

"The Fellowship isn't out to turn liberals into conservatives; rather, it convinces politicians they can transcend left and right with an ecumenical faith that rises above politics. Only the faith is always evangelical, and the politics always move rightward."

...

"The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan."

...

"When Clinton seeks guidance among prayer partners such as Coe and Brownback, she is not so much triangulating—much as that may have become second nature—as honoring her convictions. In her own way, she is a true believer."


And this was a thoroughly researched article that came out of a year-long investigation. I could hardly believe it.

:scared:

-Laelth
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:27 AM
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29. indeed, and Hillary supporters want to sugar coat it.
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pageman551 Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:55 AM
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17. A group established to help Frodo Baggins destroy the One Ring
Memebers included Gimli, Legolas, Aragorn, Boromir, Frodo's Hobbit buddies
Mary, Pippin and Sam, and of course Gandalf the Wizard.

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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:02 AM
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22. Who had furry feet for walking softly in the forest?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:46 PM
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33. mock it at your peril.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:02 AM
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18. They rule the world from the shadows
It would have to be the shadows...otherwise we would see them and say "hey - you guys aren't really the rulers of the world, are you?"
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:05 AM
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19. bookmark the thread......
good information on it, about what appears not to be a conspiracy, but an actual group of folks who like to pray together, for whatever reason.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:51 AM
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20. Here's more
Los Angeles Times, Sep 27, 2002
Showing Faith in Discretion
The Fellowship, which sponsors the National Prayer Breakfast, quietly effects political change. It acts with the blessing of many in power.
by LISA GETTER
For the last two decades, a Virginia mansion has been a private hideaway for world leaders, members of Congress, and even pop star Michael Jackson.

Located on a quiet residential street, the $4.4-million estate called Cedars sits at the highest point of the Potomac River, with spectacular views of Washington beyond the pool and tennis courts. It is owned by the Fellowship, the nonpartisan Christian group that sponsors the National Prayer Breakfast.

While the annual breakfast is a widely known event attended by a succession of U.S. presidents and foreign dignitaries, the Fellowship's part in the breakfast is low-key. Most attendees think the event is sponsored by Congress or even the president. Likewise, the Fellowship's role in diplomacy and current events has remained in the shadows. That's the way the organization wants it, for philosophical and practical reasons.

"If you want to help people, Jesus said you don't do your alms in public," Douglas Coe, the group's leader, said in a rare interview.

A Los Angeles Times review of the Fellowship's archives, which are kept at the Billy Graham Center at Wheaton College in Wheaton, Ill., and an examination of documents obtained from several presidential libraries reveals an organization that has had extraordinary access and significant influence on foreign affairs for the last 50 years.

Eight members of Congress, including Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.), live in a grand house on Capitol Hill, which is owned by a sister organization of the Fellowship. The house, which is registered as a church, routinely hosts gatherings for lawmakers and ambassadors. Members of Congress have traveled around the world on the Fellowship's behalf, sometimes mixing matters of state with religion.

The Fellowship was a behind-the-scenes player at the Camp David Middle East accords in 1978, working with President Jimmy Carter to issue a worldwide call to prayer with Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin and Egyptian President Anwar Sadat. During the Cold War, it helped finance an anti-communism propaganda film endorsed by the CIA and used by the Pentagon overseas.

Last year, the Fellowship helped arrange a secret meeting at Cedars between two warring leaders, Democratic Republic of Congo President Joseph Kabila and Rwandan President Paul Kagame--one of the first of a series of discreet meetings between the two African leaders that eventually led to the signing of a peace accord in July.

Then-Sen. David Durenberger retreated to the mansion in 1986 when he began having marital problems. GOP strategist Lee Atwater came seeking spiritual guidance in 1990 when he learned he was dying. Jackson and his children stayed in October, while in town for a benefit concert for victims of last year's terrorist attacks.

Jackson's visit came about as a result of a call from "a friend from the White House," Coe said. The call came from David Kuo, deputy director of the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives, who helped put together the United We Stand concert. When Kuo learned that Jackson needed a place to stay, he thought of Cedars. "It's a private unknown place that offers anonymity in a peaceful environment," he said. "Part of the whole Fellowship
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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 04:11 AM
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23. Billy Graham?
quote from above. "...A Los Angeles Times review of the Fellowship's archives, which are kept at the Billy Graham Center at Wheaton College in Wheaton, Ill., and an examination of documents obtained from several presidential libraries reveals an organization that has had extraordinary access and significant influence on foreign affairs for the last 50 years.

See the post on what Billy Graham thinks about some people in our nation and then tell me what you think Hillary thinks.... SEE THREAD The Pastor and The President ---Graham, Nixon, Bush

Other common names: Illuminati, Bilderbergers, Tri-lateral Commission, etc. etc. etc.

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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:05 AM
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24. Coe?
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:41 AM
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25. There is no Fellowship anymore,Bush has the ring.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:31 AM
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30. In short, she's a conservative Kool-Aid drinking fundie.
It's been explained in detail in other posts, but yeah, I think the term fundie describes her faith well.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:47 PM
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34. She's buddies with Sam Brownback and Rick Santorum.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 12:48 PM by Vinca
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