If Barack has to respond to race questions...

[ColbertWatcher]

...should Hillary have to give a "chick" speech?

Please explain your answer.

And, should McCain have to give an old coot speech?

[papau]

1. Does Hillary have 20 years of attending "chicks" speaking hate toward any group?

[ColbertWatcher]

2. You mean like what Ferraro did? n/t

[LisaL]

3. Ferraro is the child of the sixties.

[anonymous171]

5. So is Wright, actually.

[LisaL]

6. Yeppity. That's what Obama is saying to explain

Wright's sermons.

[ColbertWatcher]

7. I don't understand...

...sorry, but what does that mean?


She's a child of the sixties...and?

[Drachasor]

25. Believe it or not, there was a time before the Civil Rights movement

Wright lived through it. You don't think that living through a period of such obvious hate and racism has a profound effect on how you look at the world?

[angie_love]

9. SNAP!

[ClassWarrior]

20. Double SNAP!!

NGU.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

4. You've watched all 20 years of sermons, have you?

Or are you just making that blanket statement based on 20 seconds of tape you saw on TV?

[papau]

10. good point - the DVD outtakes appear to be only 6 or so sermons - but they are sold every week at

the church - sort of a "best of" collection.

but other sermons were I am sure more on God and less on "liberation" motivation.

[jasmine621]

17. The folks at Trinity are smart enough to not post the really incindiary

DVD's but I have most of them because i watch Wright most Sundays and record him when I am not at home. Belive me, there will be more to come. I just don't know how a speech will be able to head off the fire storm that will be coming. I am one who finds Wright's sermons very enlightening, heady, and fearless of telling the truth and saying the things the power structure does not want to hear. Half my family dislikes him and the other half adore him and some are members of his church.
Believe me when I say, MOST of the congregation agrees with Wright.

[Two Americas]

23. absolutely

I agree completely with you jasmine621. I am afraid that there are a lot of people in this country, including ironically many who support Obama, who are in ignorance or denial about how things look from outside of the American dream suburban fantasy world of illusion and deception.

"Very enlightening, heady, and fearless of telling the truth and saying the things the power structure does not want to hear."

Indeed.

"Believe me when I say, MOST of the congregation agrees with Wright."

Yes, that is true in my experience in other AA churches, as well. I agree with Wright. It is difficult to imagine how anyone who considers themselves to be in any sort of opposition to the power structure in even the mildest way could be shocked by or object to Wright's remarks.

[papau]

26. I don't disagree all that much - but as religious speech, as motivational speech it is a

turn off to most

We like to listen to those that say what we believe - and if blaming others is the Wright sermon, the question becomes is this the "hope" that Obama is referring to - indeed is this his religion?

Indeed Obama is being introduced to the nation outside of Illinois - and Wright makes for a tough sell.

You and I may nod our heads and say tell it like it is - but that is not America - and I'm sure that as we nod our heads that there are parts we are thinking "that's a bit nuts - but go on"

Wright is a cancer on the election that Obama has to stop in tomorrow's speech.

[Two Americas]

31. "blaming others?"

That is an odd take on racism.

By that loigic, we are "blaming others" when we criticize the actions of the Bush administration.

[papau]

24. to tell the truth - I understand his position (except for AIDS) as its much like my own on many

points - but not all.

Bill Cosby, not the variation that sells the idea that the AA community is forever lacking, but the one that tries to issue a call to action that can inspire and motivate underachieving blacks to improve their lives, is more my taste. Blaming never achieves anything - there is squat to motivate in a discussion about how bad others are.

[JVS]

11. Well there was Ferraro's racism and Gloria Steinem thought it would be fun to mock POWs.

Then again the media didn't make such a field day out of Steinem.

Ferraro did get some attention.

[papau]

12. And Hillary had these ladies speak to her every week? - mentored - guide the family?

[JVS]

14. They were both involved with her campaign at the time.

And I am positive that Gloria Steinem holds a prominent place in the ideology of so great a feminist as Hillary Clinton.

[ColbertWatcher]

15. True about Steinem...

...but they'll drag that out closer to the general election against McCain.

[JVS]

19. They'll make good with that too. Remember the purple heart bandaids?

Steinem will get a currently fractured republican base to unite around McCain. McCain likes the god, but he's got the guns. And defending the honor of POWs is the kind of thing GOPers get really big boners/ get really wet about.

[ColbertWatcher]

21. True...

...these people are bastards...


McCain will be a good GOP boy if he "forgets" the work he and Kerry both did together.

And if does try to minimalize what he and Kerry did together for POWs he will have proven himself to be a tool.

[izzybeans]

16. Has she ever read the SCUM Manifesto. If so, she better drop out now.

Right? Because clearly she's a Manchurian candidate for lunatic who thinks all men should die. :sarcasm:

[papau]

28. Valerie Solanas ? - learn something new every day - never heard of this at the time!

[KittyWampus]

18. she's in a Prayer Cell of an extremist rightwing, Theocratic Power Cult headed by Doug Coe

so actually, I'd like her to give a speech on that.

How's that?

Better?

[ColbertWatcher]

22. I would like to have them all give speeches...

...denouncing the rabid Evangelicals!

That would be a great speech!

[papau]

27. Obama co-hosts that cult's meetings - perhaps a joint speech?

[2rth2pwr]

8. Obama doesn't "have" to do anything

why are implying that he has to?

[ColbertWatcher]

13. You're right...

...he doesn't have to do anything.

Boy, this is going to be a very, very long six weeks until Pennsylvania...

[UALRBSofL]

29. I can assure you he wont be making these statements tomorrow

The following quotes are excerpted directly from Barack Obama’s memoir
“Dreams from my Father”:

“I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”
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Obama swore that he would

“never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself…”

What attributes can be found in "the black man" that cannot be found in the white? Or vice versa? Isn't one of the primary principles of this country that men are created equal, regardless of race?
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He also concluded that

“certain whites could be excluded from the general category of our distrust.”

I certainly hope that the "general category of our distrust" has changed for Barack in the time since he decided that he would like to become the president of a nation whose majority of citizens are "whites."
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Speaking on the groups he associated with in college:

“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos."

In short, Obama chose his friends based on their race and ethnicity. I wonder if John McCain could have published that he chose all of his friends based on the criteria "must be white" and still be taken seriously as a potential president of the United States?

“It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”

Show loyalty to the black masses by striking out? I assume since it was "blacks" Obama was seeking to get approval from, it was members of another racial group, targeted specifically because of their race, he was striking out against.
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Describing his boss when he was a community organizer in Chicago:

“There was something about him that made me wary...a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.”

Well, there it is. A blatantly racist statement. There really is no getting around that one.
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http://thevolublemajority.com/2008/03/07/barack-obama-on-racism-part-2.aspx

[JeffR]

30. Oh my

this Brocko Bama sure sounds scary.