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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:20 AM
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Obama's big speech: Prepare to be raptured
It is clear from DU and elsewhere that Obama is a very divisive figure. his big speech moment will undoubtedly call for healing the wounds of the past and healing divisions.

It took him five days to speak on this crisis which doesn't say much for his crisis management skills but now he will wheel out the words on "the larger issue of race in this campaign".

And I am sure it will rapture in this prepared speech. When talking on his feet, in a press conference or television interview, he not so effective.

This won't be all the evasive and clumsy responses to awkward questions - the crazy uncle and he "wasn't there" and all the other lame excuses but rather soaring rhetoric to heal the sick and raise the dead. Rather than being a candidate on the run he will be the prophet on the mountain top.

He always tries to convey that he is the embodiment of racial healing. And for sure there is a lot of need for that about - merely witness the last two weeks. Let alone the much broader and longer picture. Yet the reality is he is a most divisive figure. A most divisive figure - not in himself biologically, but in his attitudes, and most especially in his more abject followers who take every question about him not as a slight or concern but a full frontal attack. Even when he is ahead they react as sore winners and need to demean and destroy the opposition as enemies. And they use the weapons of division to do it - age, race, gender.

Obama appears to offer "racial healing" which is exactly why his two decades of cleaving to the teachings of a ranting racial hater so shocking. The body blow impact of gratuitously cruel pastoral rants contradicts the promise of healing and unity and bringing us together.

That is the dilemma Obama is in. no doubt he will rapture us with his words. And there is much that he can say that would be helpful. An apology to all those who have been consigned to the racist bin for questioning his suitability for president would be an excellent start. He could follow with a heartfelt apology.

This speech follow a formula and we have seen hints of it in the interview with Gwen Ifill.

But all the great words in the world will mean nothing is he continues the politics of division and carve and conquer. And all the great words do not make him the perfect political prince who is ready to ascend to the presidency. They might help the racial divide by bringing new understanding. but actions speak louder than words. He has some years ahead to start that hard work.

Gobama for 2016

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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:26 AM
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1. Ride the wave!!
I'm gonna grab my vague generality and high-flown language board and shoot the tube.

(That last phrase may be literal. I can't even stand to hear TV even when I'm just walking by one.)
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:39 AM
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10. Shoot the tube. yes
A policy we can almost all support.
(perhaps with a sneak at jon stewart and colbert once in a while?)
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:07 AM
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19. A WORD CLOUD OF YOUR POST JoFerret says much more about what you fear.......
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 07:17 AM by ThatBozGuy
Interesting thing about word clouds they measure frequency of word use but they often uncover hidden agendas or even hidden truth.

If we remove the most common this and that. The highest frequency words make a pretty cohesive sentence by frequency of use the order is by frequency.

The human subconscious is a very powerful beast and it can know more about us than we can ever know about ourselves.

Heres your cloud for that post Jo.


his speech will for healing him to speak on this crisis which say much but he words not be all racial



Good luck with that complex there JoFerret.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:29 AM
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2. Your username should be "jokeferret"
I don't even know where to begin with your post...
:dunce: :+ :dunce: :+ :dunce: :+ :dunce:

:freak:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:44 AM
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15. I thank you
I do not aim to please but it is wonderful when I do.

No jokers allowed in obamaland?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:29 AM
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3. Shorter Ferret: I hate Obama

Yeah, we know that, ferret. Will you vote for him if he's the dem nominee?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:45 AM
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17. The hate comes from you
Gobama in 2016
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:48 AM
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18. No, I return your hate
I don't start posts like your filth. And you didn't answer the question. Will you vote for Obama if he's the nominee, or are you someone who just doesn't give a shit about the SC, torture, the environment and so much more?
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DaDooRonRon Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:58 AM
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30. That is quite the loaded question there
"are you someone who just doesn't give a shit about the SC, torture, the environment and so much more?"

You are assuming, then, that someone who votes outside of your pre-approved parameters somehow is either willfully ignorant or just plain evil?

I would argue that there are hundreds of thousands of people who will cast a pox on BOTH mainstream houses, and they will do so precisely because of your small minded views.

I often wonder why folks who spew such nonsense do not understand that they hinder their cause far more than they will ever help it.

But then again, they call themselves "progressives" in the mirror (since no one is there to take them to task), and this makes them all aglow.

Heck, I'll bet you even attended an anti-war rally and buy organic.

Bear Stearns thanks you, as do the corporate candidates on both sides who will trip over themselves to bail out the next in line.



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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:37 PM
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48. ...
:thumbsup: :applause:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:53 PM
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51. The belief seems to be that there is only one answer
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 08:53 PM by JoFerret
to all questions. And that answer is: Obama. A very dangerous collective swoon in my opinion.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:40 AM
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25. That's actually a valid and interesting point. The people who aren't
"raptured" by the "Obama experience" are subject to some of the most offensive vitriol I've seen in a while. It's almost .... professional... in its intensity!
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:46 AM
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28. If you are not in a swoon you must
...hate Obama. To disagree. To raise a doubt or a question is equated with being racist and a hater. You will be subject to virulent attack.

I don't hate Obama. i think he is far better than many of his supporters in real life and on DU.
One day he will, or may, make a great president.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:50 AM
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29. Neither do I. The comparison with Jesus is apt in one regard, I suppose...
and that's in the way Ghandi described the fellow. To paraphrase quite loosely: Jesus, he seemed like a great guy with some swell ideas...some of his followers, though....eh! Not so hot!
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:21 AM
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33. He had something similar on western civilization as i recall.
When asked what he thought of it - on a trip to London - he said he thought it would be a good idea.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:30 AM
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4. Cynical aren't we?
Have you any interest in healing the racial divide we have in this country?

I see no solutions from your side, only reveling in division.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:31 AM
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5. The man never said he was perfect, but you just keep doing Clinton's dirty work
And rot with President McCain. :mad: :mad:

I thankfully live overseas, but I feel bad for the rest of my fellow Americans. You are in for some serious shit.
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:32 AM
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6. Divisive is right ,Labeling Bill Clinton And Ferrarro as racist is despicable
Now because of the revelation that hes connected to racism,and has been comfortable with it for quite a while. Now it hurts him politically he so speaks up.
Hes a hypocrite whos speaking now to save his own ass.just a few days ago he was the one pointing his finger and creating division.
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:36 AM
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7. In other words hes a phony.Today we see his MLK impersonation.I want the real MLK not an imposter
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MojoMojoMojo Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:40 AM
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11. Speaking of devisive ,just look at his supporters ,their "new kind of politics "means acting vile
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:41 AM
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13. take a look in the mirror
what hypocrisy. The OP is a picture of divisiveness and hate.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:28 AM
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22. Just like Hillary supporters to think they can insult and disparage
Obama and his supporters and he and we are supposed to just sit back and take it..LOL!

There goes that damned white privilege again. What is sad is you're not even aware of it, but then most who think they are privileged people have no clue.

No one's trying to change any minds in this forum. Which is a good thing because shit-starters like the OP has nothing good to say about her candidate, just nasty snide shit about someone else's.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:30 PM
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36. DUBamas, ObamaNation, ObamaBabies, ObamaTools, Obamites
and from yours truly Obama Assholes.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:39 AM
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9. Too bad for the prevaricators that Obama never said any such thing
and he is not connected to racism except in the "minds" of delusional hater hillbots. And hillypoo is done. Get the fork.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:17 AM
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20. Somehow his surrogates and followers did it it for him
You were one of them as I recall.

Let the healing begin
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:41 PM
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37. February 19, 2008 -- wasn't that around the time Hillary was able to pay staff again? nt
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:38 AM
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8. And we will be caught up in the clouds
to meet the Lord Obama in the air
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:40 AM
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12. Or you can just keep kneeling at hilly's feet and kissing them
in adorataion as you have done for ages.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:47 AM
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34. Cali, some people will refuse to come together for a common...
cause, they feel THEIR cause is more important than anyone else's! They will remain asleep at the wheel until they crash and THEIR FAMILY is affected. I wouldn't waste your time and positive energy on folks like this, these kind of people live and thrive off of their fighting and disruption. Sometimes when a immature child acts up, they do it for the attention, just ignore these folks and they will find themselves lonely and miserable.

I am not saying not to refute things when they are misrepresenting the facts to others but educate those they try to poison and ignore the immature children. Maybe after everyone stops giving them attention, they will wake up to reality and become a part of helping the country. If we are enablers to these people, we are just as guilty, don't help them spread their hate. If no one responds to their nonsense, what will they do, keep replying to their own post, talking to themselve? Let them, it just shows how unstable they are!
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:37 PM
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38. No. They refuse to fall in line and suspend their
critical faculties. Can you not accept that reasonable good people can arrive at different conclusions from you? Or belief that some people do not feel Obama is the best person to lead the country for the next four years?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:42 PM
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41. Hear hear!!!
I really don't see a great deal of difference between Clinton and Obama... I think some here are going to be sorely disappointed.

I must have unknowingly taken a large dose of anti-Hillbot AND anti-Obamaniac potion because the Kool Aid has no effect on me at all.

You're right... critical thinking is a must!
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:29 PM
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44. Wow, read the post again, never even mentioned Obama's names?
You are only proving my point more, you didn't even pay attention to what was said and you tried to turn my reply into an Obama versus Clinton reply? If you cant comprehend what someone says, you shouldn't even reply, it is making you look more and more ignorant each time you speak!


I saw a post that said responses to posts brings them to the top, I didn't know that so this is my last response to you unless we meet again in a positive post.

Good luck to you and yours and flame away, your ignorance is not worth my time.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:39 PM
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49. !!!
:thumbsup:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:42 AM
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14. A cheap and tawdry little argument
The only sore and childish attitude is yours.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:43 PM
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43. I think there's enough to go around...
.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:44 AM
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16. How offensive
I will remember all you haters when McCain is elected.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:42 PM
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42. LOL
The Hillbots say the same about the Obamaniacs...

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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:27 AM
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21. "It is clear from DU and elsewhere that Obama is a very divisive figure"
You pretty much have to be an idiot to start your post that way.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:09 AM
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27. I am also - and more accurately - a racist atheist
.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:30 AM
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23. NO. It is not clear that Obama is divisive.
Do you ever listen to yourself. Pitiful. Just damned pitiful.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:39 AM
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24. Dude, the jig is up
It is clear from DU and elsewhere that Obama is a very divisive figure. his big speech moment will undoubtedly call for healing the wounds of the past and healing divisions.

Gobama for 2016

Can someone explain to me why a person would say Obama is a very divisive figure and then claim to want to vote for him in 8 years?
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:02 AM
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26. Take a look at the word cloud above it will show you why
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 08:03 AM by ThatBozGuy
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:39 PM
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40. Not just that. They want him on the VP spot!
He's horrendously un-ready to be President, yet they think he'd be just great a heartbeat away from the POTUS. :crazy:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:06 AM
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31. your whole arguement is silly
"It is clear from DU and elsewhere that Obama is a very divisive figure. his big speech moment will undoubtedly call for healing the wounds of the past and healing divisions."

is this why he is ahead in the delegate count,ahead in the popular vote,and has positive numbers in defeating johnny boy?

it`s extremely difficult to take any argument seriously when one starts off with that statement...
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FyurFly Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:06 AM
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32. twenty years too late n/t
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:00 PM
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35. I choose hope and the American dream over cynicism. To each his own.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:39 PM
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39. He spoke on the news same day it broke on all main news channels
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:34 PM
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45. Yes, We Need His Divisiveness in The VP Spot! (And His 70% Positive Rating)
Just because a bunch of wild-eyed supporters will criticize anything that Obama does hardly signals a larger pool of voters.

People have very high ratings for him on the positive-negative scale. Clinton has some of the highest negative ratings of ANY national figure, in politics or wherever. That's divisive.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:35 PM
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46. K&R
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:37 PM
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47. The speech was a good one
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 06:41 PM by JoFerret
Obama may have done the country a good service with his remarks today.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:40 PM
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50. I didn't hear much if any "soaring rhetoric" it seemed like a very conversational speech.
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