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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:21 AM
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WOW, JUST WOW! He's knocking one out of the park by telling PURE TRUTH we haven't heard ever
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 10:24 AM by HamdenRice
Yup, black people are angry sometimes. He won't reject them because of that, any more than he would reject his white grandmother's sometimes bigotted remarks.

White working class people have been shafted. They also sometimes are angry and blame black people.

Meanwhile the corporations are robbing us blind.

"Your dreams don't have to come at the expense of my dreams."

The media is feeding you distractions.

Don't tell me that Hillary Clinton could ever have put this much hard honest truth in a speech -- or really in her entire lifetime.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:21 AM
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1. perfect.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:15 PM
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123. Atlantic's Marc Ambinder reports that he wrote every word himself over the last two days and nights
18 Mar 2008 12:03 pm

This wasn't a speech by committee... Obama wrote the speech himself, working on it for two days and nights.... and showed it to only a few of his top advisers.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/speechwriter_of_one.php
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:31 PM
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132. wow.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #123
161. Your post inadvertantly makes it sound like Marc Ambinder wrote every word himself...
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 03:20 PM by hisownpetard
Had to read the body of the post to make sure that Obama's the one who wrote it, which I suspected and hoped.

How amazing, and awesome, and wonderful!!!!!
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:24 PM
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200. Oh Bullshit. I wrote that speech several years ago. He copied it word for word.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:20 PM
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214. No you didn't...the ghost of Lyndon Johnson wrote it and then dictated it to HRC in a seance
n/t.
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pauldg0 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:01 AM
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242. I am very upset with hime now...
...now our party is simply fractured!!!

Thanks Obama!!!
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #1
145. The crowd outside was rocking!


And the speech was moving. He hit a chord that no one else could touch.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:13 PM
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159. WOW-I kept thinking I wished I was there! It was historical!
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:25 AM
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255. Bill Clinton made a nearly identical speech in 1995
http://www.cnn.com/US/9510/megamarch/10-16/clinton/update/transcript.html">Transcript of President Clinton's speech on race relations

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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:56 AM
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260. Bu,,bu,,,but "It's Historical"
The Kool-Aid is definitely spiked with moonshine




:dunce:...... :dunce: ......:dunce: .......:dunce:......... :dunce:
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:22 AM
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2. is it on TV or just the internet?
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:23 AM
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8. its on all the news channels
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:22 AM
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3. All the Hillbots will
get from it is that he mentioned Ferraro. The outrage! It's not fair, Hillary is a victim, nominate her!!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:24 AM
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13. He said it was a distraction, just like Wright. (nt)
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:26 AM
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28. Doesn't matter
he mentioned her. That's all they'll cling to, what else in the speech do they have? They must distract from the central message. If it wasn't this, it would be something else.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:27 AM
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30. If so then there's no reasoning with them...
so... oh well.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #30
36. Exactly
My point was only to predict the angle they will use to show Obama is persecuting Hillary. Most of their claims don't have a reasonable basis.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #28
150. But your so-called prediction
that some will be so irrational and fanatical seems, to me, equally irrational and fanatical. And I LOVED the speech.
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jjr5 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:28 PM
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186. Yeah, I agree with your comment. It was a great speech . . .
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 04:35 PM by jjr5
One that I think he felt the American people deserved to hear.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:28 AM
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35. The Hillbots are waiting to hear from Rush so they can all parrot him.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #35
107. Wow. And isn't that sad and true...
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #107
213. is it true? i mean honestly.
i think this Hillbot/Obamabot business is pure shit.

stop adding to it.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:58 PM
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175. Cut it out with "Hillbots"
You are going against the message of unity that our candidate preached so eloquently this morning. Take the pledge, join the moratorium: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5138048&mesg_id=5138048
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:11 PM
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182. THIS
"You are going against the message of unity that our candidate preached so eloquently this morning. Take the pledge, join the moratorium: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... "
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #175
184. Sorry, I'm not a pledge type. I prefer to be independent and not take part in group think mentality
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plantwomyn Donating Member (779 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #184
188. Yet you post this...
"The Hillbots are waiting to hear from Rush so they can all parrot him."
No group think there.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #188
190. Yep, no group think, just honesty. When people start using Limpballs...
Shammity, and newsmax as a source to prop up their candidates, then they are hillbots.
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plantwomyn Donating Member (779 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:21 PM
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199. ?
What "people start using Limpballs, Shammity, and newsmax as a source to prop up their candidates" in this thread?
I think the use of "hillbots" is a way of tipping your hat to group think. Why use a derogatory name for everyone you disagree with? If you are truly an Obama supporter, why do you refuse to follow YOUR LEADER and post about inclusion, unity, hope and change?
Come on people!

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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #199
202. Obama is not my leader. I haven't followed anyone since I left the Army. I'm......
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 05:29 PM by Exilednight
voting for Obama to speak on my behalf as the head representative of my country.

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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #184
209. You mean like the DUer here supporting obama who used the Clinton's kill people meme
That kind of speak?
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #175
198. I think it is fair to refer to them as Hillary supporters, BUT they are biased
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 05:20 PM by rosebud57
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NickMorgan Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #175
217. I agree -- Let's All the Hillbots Forgive All the Obamanoids and just be Glad for our great party
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #35
244. Enough with the Hillbot cr*p already!
They are Clinton supporters and fellow Democrats. Calling them names does not help Obama win in the fall.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:05 AM
Response to Reply #244
253. The DU 11th Commandment
Thou shalt not call thy fellow Democrats names. Namecalling is reserved for the right-wing nut jobs on the other side of the aisle, e.g., Bushbots, McCane Toads, etc.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #3
58. Obama showed that he wasn't going to use Ferraro's devisive statements as a campaign tool.
Just shows you why Obama is a new kind of politician. He makes the Hannity's and Limbaugh's of the world look SO SMALL! Obama is a brilliant man who deserves our praise and our vote. He sure as hell has mine.

GObama!!!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #3
62. who cares -let them remain in the past-it's time to move this country forward
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #3
149. I loved the speech
but why say hillbots? I like Hillary, too. I just dont get the divisiveness.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #149
173. Autonomy GETS it! Woo-hoo! I support Obama, in part, because I want to see
an end to the extreme divisiveness and because I want that I will NOT call anyone who likes any other candidate names.

Dear Fellow Obama Supporters - If you want an end to the extreme divisiveness, then let's stop contributing to it - no matter what anyone else says.

Peace.
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ksquire Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #149
235. it's not hillary, it's the EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!! folks
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #3
227. Give them a chance.
Most of these people will turn around.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:20 AM
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243. You lose
Nance Gregg's corollary to Godwin's law - if you call someone a Hillbot or Obamatron, you lose automatically.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:11 AM
Response to Reply #3
256. I don't know what the hell you're talking about,...
...and it seems pretty clear that you don't either.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #3
261. yup
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:22 AM
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4. THAT man is our next president. He undoubtedly won the presidency today.
.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #4
12. He either won it or lost it utterly
I'm satisfied either way.

It was honorable.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:26 AM
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26. No - not lost it. America is READY for this. Bushies have been so blatant in their disregard
for these matters that the American people are starved and ready to be nourished positively.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #12
82. Precisely.
> It was honorable.

Precisely.

Tesha
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #12
106. I agree.
He'll either win big or completely collapse after this.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:26 AM
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22. I completely agree. Anyone who sees this will vote for him
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:26 AM
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24. I agree! NT
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:59 PM
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196. I love the way the Rude Pundit put it...
Bottom line: that was a motherfuckin' speech by a motherfuckin' President of the United States. You remember what that's like? No, not here either.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
// posted by Rude One
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:22 AM
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5. it is wonderful - glad you are enjoying it!!
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:22 AM
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6. I'm speechless.... a man this decent and wise can't be elected here.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:23 AM
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9. That's my only fear! It's too honest and decent for most Americans to get nt
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:37 AM
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I hear you, but don't underestimate the compassion of the American people.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #6
18. I don't believe that. I think this is what so many people have been hungering for.
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 10:26 AM by redqueen
People I talk to are too jaded and cynical... over a decade of finger pointing from the left and right have left them confused and apathetic.

The right tried 'unity' and gave us bush. Now it's our chance.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:35 PM
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141. You are so right. Well put. We "hunger" for it -because it is an issue of survival.
We are almost over the cliff.

Even dumb animals have a survival instinct. People have caught on. Obama is simply receiving the benefit of the inevitable corrective force that comes from the power and distortion of the last 7 years.

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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #6
34. Cynicism? NT
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crud76 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #6
230. What did you say
about decent and wise and not get elected?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:22 AM
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7. I can't believe it.
It really really is not what I expected at all. I love it.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #7
20. neither can i... not only is he speaking more honestly than any politican
I've ever heard, but on a subject no GE politician has ever touched.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:23 AM
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10. He did it! He even exceeded my wildest expectations! WOW! nt
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:29 AM
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40. I started crying at the part about his grandmother. How any of the hatemongers can
watch this and still spew vile, racist speech is beyond me. As such, I doubt I'll be able to read DU today.

It just feels too good, for the first time in a long time, to feel the hope and unity Obama feels and wants for us.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #40
168. Me, too - tears, chills, the whole thing. I have a friend whose mother is white and father
was black, and to this day he still remembers his mother watching some show on TV and making a derogatory comment
about black people, although she adores her son.

Obama's honesty and willingness to discuss a subject that is anathema to most politicians (especially while engaged in a campaign
such as this) is nothing short of amazing.

I feel like riding around town, beeping my horn and smiling at people!!
It's gonna be a great 4-8 years!
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:13 PM
Original message
no, what they seem to be
saying is that somehow it is wrong for obama to compare his grandma to the reverend. wtf is that. how is it different. he is talking about the place these things come from. it is a similar place, in that it is based on each of these two individuals history and understanding of the world. but the reverends statement is 'hate speech' apparently. as if this man and many other black people his age don't have any reason to be bitter and angry.

i was so moved by barack obama's speech today. it speaks to all of us, not just blacks or whites. but some only will see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. and that is sad. because I have heard my family and friends make comments that i find distasteful and disgusting and wrong. and sometimes i don't say anything and sometimes i call them out on it. but i do not stop talking to them. i see the whole person, and i see that what they say comes from a place of fear. because anger comes from a place of fear.

i hope that people are able to listen to the speech for themselves instead of the snippets followed by the filters who intend to skew it the way they want. but i fear most won't. because most don't have the time to investigate this stuff for themselves. they rely on the news media to tell them what's going on. unfortunately, the media has their own agenda and ideas.
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:23 AM
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11. Really an excellent speech!
:patriot:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:24 AM
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14. K & R
:thumbsup:
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:24 AM
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15. She has not to my memory.
Tell it like a REAL Representative of Democratic Party OBAMA! A leader explains the way it is as well as convinces you just why their plan is the best, not just taking the popular road.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:25 AM
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16. Wrong. We have all heard these same or similar words and sentifments before.
Even from Bill Clinton and from civil rights leaders since kingdom come. He has not apologized for being associated with the gutter statements that were personally hurtful and hateful to Hillary and the Holloways. He is just stating the obvious. I challenge anyone to find something that no other politician has said during course of your political lifetime.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #16
25. You're just sad.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:13 AM
Response to Reply #25
257. Not being impressed by rhetoric makes someone sad?
How pathetic that anyone is.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #16
38. i said it too about fifty times...doesn't matter. NOW is the time to hear it and drive it home
you just don't get it.

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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #16
61. No, no we have not. This was an inspirational speech
like non before him have given. It pertains to his own and our common experiences. The others may have given fine speeches but in comparison to this, they were only giving us lip service.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #61
116. I invite all to this site to explain what I mean by we have heard this before.
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nanatois Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #116
172. You are correct
Bill Clinton did express very similar sentiments as Obama's speech today. However, after watching the speech today in its entirety on MSNBC I was very impressed. It acknowledges the often unexpressed anger and fear that is at the core of many of us. But it also expressed such hope at the progress that has been made and can continue to be made. It was truly great and inspirational. So was Bill Clinton's speech expressing the same isssues and the need to move forward with the more unity. Thanks for the link. Obama has my vote
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #172
201. Welcome to DU!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:59 AM
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scrucon Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:43 PM
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203. That's right. He did not apologize for choosing to listen to that gutter man for 20 years.
Without the apology for choosing that church, the rest of the
speech is hollow.  His pastor, the man that he says is like an
uncle to him, hates America.  Like Obama, I'm half black.  But
I've never heard vile speech like Wright's in my life.  This
makes me wonder about his 'judgement'.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:37 PM
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222. Oh please. I find that hard to believe. nt
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:27 AM
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263. We have heard bits and pieces of a sermon over and over. Do you
really think Rev. Wright gave the same message every Sunday for twenty years? I think not.

Sen.Obama could have walked out, given up and not listened. Whether or not you agree with Rev.Wright's statements, it is true many people feel as he does. That was Sen.Obama's point....plus he understands why people like that feel as they do. Not listening will not end the problem. Kudos to Sen.Obama to speak out.
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ksquire Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:22 PM
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236. good points.
if one candidate is peddling fear, and the other one offering hope, go with the one offering hope. that was bill clinton. too bad hillary's not listening.

a house divided can't stand... ok i guess quoting influential figures is "bad". it's called "good speech writing". i'll let you draw whatever conclusions you would like from there.

but if you seriously think that anyone in the last 50 years has made a better speech on race in a presidential election, you're nuts. i'll donate $50 to hillary's campaign if you can show me a better speech -- or analysis for that matter.

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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:25 AM
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17. Maybe my favorite part...he just said it
For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle - as we did in the OJ trial - or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:29 AM
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41. Me too! nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:31 AM
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49. He said so much...
I wanted to quote my favorite parts... there were too many! :hi:
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jjr5 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:34 PM
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187. Yeah, I liked that part too. :)
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:25 AM
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19. wow i know
this is amazing
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:25 AM
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21. This is a historic speech. Amazing and comprehensive.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:28 AM
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31. One for the textbooks which I would use in class
Out of the ballpark and one for the history books
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:57 PM
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155. My mom, a 40 yr. + elementary school teacher assured me this speech will be part of
many cirriculums for a long time. A hillary supporter, she thinks Obama has what it takes to be president.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:26 AM
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23. I hate to say this: It's up to the media now.
How are they going to spin this?
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:28 AM
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32. yup
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:26 AM
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27. Yeah, this honkey is thoroughly chastised
Please give me a cult application so I can "unite" with you all.

Hillary does not need to put together such a speech. Sounds like (I'm listening on the radio) he's had the empty suit cleaned real nice for today's event.

Please Obama supporters what do I have to do to "unite?" Think of the man the way you do?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:29 AM
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39. Accept the historical context of his speech; he is right, you know,
whether you want to accept that or not.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:30 AM
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43. Yet, another sad individual for the Ignore list.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:33 AM
Original message
How can you be a cult without an ignore button ??
Yes irgnore everyone else then insist on unity!!
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:00 PM
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156. I'm only putting you on psuedo-ignore bceause you're so entertaining. Did you say something?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:15 AM
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258. That you're in a cult.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 08:29 AM by Deep13
Apparently this is demonstrated by many Obamists unwillingness to admit to the possibility that O. can be criticized for anything.
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jjr5 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:42 PM
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191. I won't ignore you. You're views do matter!
We're all in this thing together. :)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:33 AM
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52. What? Where did that chastised honkey stuff come from?
Honestly - what made you say that?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:39 AM
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64. I don't get the reactions I've read
and seen so far. I was not inspired. The speech was a must. He had to say something about Wright. Nothing new in the speech, a cynic might detect a note of desperation. There was a preconcieved notion among many that it would be a great speech (just check out DU yesterday) ergo it was a great speech. I've heard better at High School oration contests.

And I'd just love to know how someone who isn't supporting Obama today is supposed to "unite." It seems its all take and no give on behalf of his supporters. And that has really pissed me off for months now.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:55 AM
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93. You didn't answer her question
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:58 AM
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95. Who says anyone is "supposed to" unite?
Whether or not it was inspired or inspiring is subjective, so that has to be taken into consideration.

I know it's the most over-the-top stuff that leaves a mark and stays with us, but I hope you don't consider me to be an Obama supporter who's all take and no give. I hope you don't think that describes the majority of his supporters.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:13 PM
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183. Here, have some metamucil
and a hug. ^_^
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:33 AM
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53. At the end of the day, it was a speech. Just a speech, even if a very good one.
What has to change are people's attitudes, opinions, and beliefs. I somehow doubt that any of those have changed since this morning.

Let me ask this: for those DUers who said yesterday that they do not trust "white America," do you now, suddenly, trust white America? For white Americans who were outraged at the statements of Rev. Wright, is your outrage now assuaged?

Only time will tell.

Bake
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:23 PM
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128. At the end of the day, it was just a post. Just a post, even if a lousy one.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:24 PM
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129. if only there where someway to change attitudes and opinions
We all know that speeches dont work. Only beatings.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:44 PM
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151. Apparently you do not understand the power of ideas. Or perhaps
you are so burned out on the shallow and meaningless speeches given by * these last 7+ years.

Either way, if 'a speech is just a speech', then 'words are just words', and there's no point in reading or writing them here, right?
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:08 PM
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157. Of course I believe in the power of ideas.
I guess I'm just reacting to the hype of Obama "hitting it out of the park and around the moon ..."

I read the full text of the speech again, just now.

"I Have a Dream" ... it isn't. THAT was a powerful speech, one that even 40 years and countless readings/hearings later, still brings me to tears. Obama is really just a pale imitation of a REAL leader.

Bake
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:24 PM
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166. 'Pale imitation of a real leader'?
Some choice of words there.

So too appeared many Presidents before they were elected. Then we found that the leaders they 'imitated' were the leaders they really were.
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Annoyingly Logical Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:04 PM
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207. Is that the best you can do
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 06:06 PM by Annoyingly Logical
If the best the Obama haters can do to convince themselves that this morning's speech changed nothing is attempt to belittle him by comparing him unfavorably to MLK then all I can say is........Mission Accomplished!!!

Obama did what needed to be done. He didn't attempt to drown out the mainstream echo chamber by offering shallow apologies and denouncements; instead he called for all Americans to do something that his opponents don't want them to do.....think for yourselves.

His speech, history will bear out, is an important step toward our nation shedding the ugly emotional baggage of centuries of racial/ethnic/and gender issues.

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jjr5 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:46 PM
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193. However, I think that times like this are very important.
People need to do/say something in order to begin a process of change. I have to say, I felt guilty when Sen. Barack Obama mentioned harboring bad feelings against Hillary Clinton because of Geraldine Ferraro. I now understand that that stuff doesn't matter. I feel that the speech helped.
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scrucon Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:56 PM
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204. You said it the way I would of liked to.
Thanks.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:51 AM
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85. Hillary's speech before Congress for the Iraqi War
"It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.

Now this much is undisputed. The open questions are: what should we do about it? How, when, and with whom?
This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.

And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation. I want this President, or any future President, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war. Secondly, I want to insure that Saddam Hussein makes no mistake about our national unity and for our support for the President's efforts to wage America's war against terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. And thirdly, I want the men and women in our Armed Forces to know that if they should be called upon to act against Iraq, our country will stand resolutely behind them."
http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:20 PM
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163. That was a sickening speech Hillary gave, wasn't it?
That alone should disqualify her from the nomination.

Sometimes when I think I'm too hard on her, I remember that speech. :grr:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:03 PM
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180. She got her advise from Clark who was wrong
and is still wrong on some points about Iraq
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:15 PM
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219. Well, re Hillary Clinton's war vote . . .
These excerpts from her speech certainly make crystal clear that she understood her vote
could enable Bush to go to war . . .

QUOTE . . .

This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.

i want this President, or any future President, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war. Secondly, I want to insure that Saddam Hussein makes no mistake about our national unity and for our support for the President's efforts to wage America's war against terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. And thirdly, I want the men and women in our Armed Forces to know that if they should be called upon to act against Iraq, our country will stand resolutely behind them."
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gort Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:56 AM
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94. I am here because of Ashley
Sorry the speech did not move you.

Mustard and Relish sandwiches sound really good, now!

"And Ashley said that when she was nine years old, her mother got cancer. Because she had to miss days of work, she was let go and lost her healthcare. They had to file for bankruptcy, and that’s when Ashley decided that she had to do something to help her mom.

She knew that food was one of their most expensive costs, and so Ashley convinced her mother that what she really liked and really wanted to eat more than anything else was mustard and relish sandwiches. Because that was the cheapest way to eat.

....

So Ashley finishes her story and then goes around the room and asks everyone else why they’re supporting the campaign. They all have different stories and reasons. Many bring up a specific issue. And finally they come to this elderly black man who’s been sitting there quietly the entire time. And Ashley asks him why he’s there. And he does not bring up a specific issue. He does not say healthcare or the economy. He does not say education or the war. He does not say that he was there because of Barack Obama. He simply says to everyone in the room: “I am here because of Ashley.” "-Barack Obama speech excerpts


I am here because of Ashley
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:20 PM
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212. that part (because of Ashley)
did bring a tear to my eye....and I was at WORK!!!!!
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:45 AM
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109. I'm sorry if you thought the speech was chastising honkies.
I'm a honky myself, and I thought he really spoke to the rationale behind fears of reverse discrimination and the struggles and legitimate concerns of white people. Did you not hear that part of the speech, or do you just not dare to believe that he meant it?

It's all right if you don't want to "unite" with people who think Obama is a great politician who would make a great president. We'll be all right, I'm sure, whether you decide to support Obama or join the Limbaugh legion and try to tear him down.

As for making you "think of the man the way we do" I don't think that's really possible, do you?
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:24 PM
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146. Rehashing the Cult Meme. How sad.
If you weren't just trying to manipulate people I would feel sad for you.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:26 PM
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147. Self Delete
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 02:27 PM by dbonds
Website database error said to resubmit. Caused dupe message.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:26 PM
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167. Oh, for the love of decency!
It's not a cult. It's called leadership. I realize it's hard to recognize after so long without any, but please get a new meme already. This cult shit's getting old.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:54 PM
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234. OKKK...
Sorry, my KKK button seems to be freaking out.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:26 AM
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29. I know, I know. Obama DUers will say he hit it out of the park...
...and Clinton supporters will say he's mouthing platitudes, or lying.

I think he's doing really well, but I'm an Obamite.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:28 AM
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37. I'll have to catch it on YouTube or something.
I don't expect an unbiased review here.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:28 AM
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33. This is the best I have ever heard him....
...much of my past support of Obama and cheering for him has been due to what a horrible person I believe Hillary Clinton to be and I see her as more of the same ~~ to wit, Bush Lite.

Watching and listening to Barack Obama...I am not merely against Hillary, but solidly for him at this time.

GOBAMA! :applause:
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:31 AM
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46. Me too! nt
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:30 AM
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42. Great speech.
A lot of truths within.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:30 AM
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44. NPR is calling it a major major speech on race
and the excerpts I've heard sound like it.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:30 AM
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45. He fucking killed it. n/t
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:31 AM
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47. It was....
good! I have to admit it.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:33 AM
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55. Wow, thanks coming from someone with a Hillary avatar! nt
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:31 AM
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48. I read the speech and it is fantastic
One for the ages.

The naked racism leading up today makes me sick, but we can't heal and deal with what is hidden in the shadows. Hats off to Obama for not backing down and facing these attacks head on. I wish Kerry had done the same with the swiftboaters. It is indeed a new day.

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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:41 AM
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73. Thank you....
...your honesty and gracious remarks about this subject are what will heal the divide in our party.

A hug from this Obama supporter to you! :hug:
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:51 PM
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137. And back to you :-)
We're all in this together.

:hug:
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:42 AM
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76. Thanks to another Hillary supporter for your objectivity nt
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:17 AM
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103. I suspect that Clinton will have to address the issues of race in an analogous speech.
Competition is good. Perhaps we'll even extract some concrete promises from one candidate or the other!
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:46 AM
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110. "what is hidden in the shadows"
That's what really struck me about the speech. He was bringing up things that people believe intensely but don't say "in polite company." That is dirty laundry that really needs to be aired if race relations in this country are going to move forward in any meaningful way.

People of every ethnicity say absolutely vile, racist shit that they nonetheless feel very strongly. Unless we address that reality and its causes with an unjaundiced eye, things will stay as they are.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:28 PM
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131. I agree
my only hope is that we can stop the divisiveness and start talking again about healthcare.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:32 AM
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50. I'm in tears. I've been a provisional Obama supporter....
more of an anti-Clinton supporter than a pro-Obama supporter. He just made me a full supporter.....going off to contribute.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:37 PM
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169. I am thrilled at how many times today I have heard people make this remark.
It feels so much better to be "for" someone, rather than "against."


:hi:
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:32 AM
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51. Incredible! A VERY powerful speech. I would be so proud to vote for this man for President.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:33 AM
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54. who wrote the speech?
Did he thank his writers?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:36 AM
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60. Reports are that HE was writing it until early this morning
I'm sure he didn't write it alone though.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:39 AM
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66. Obama does, with help from one guy...nice try. Article here:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:52 AM
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87. you appear to be wrong
From your link:

"So it was Favreau who led the team that wrote Obama's victory speech in Des Moines last week—a moment that prompted the TV pundits to drop months of skepticism about Obama's candidacy to make breathless comparisons with the Kennedy era."

And:

"Now Favreau has his own team: Adam Frankel, a 26-year-old who worked with Ted Sorensen on his memoirs, and Ben Rhodes, a 30-year-old who worked with Lee Hamilton on the 9/11 commission's report. Together they had just three weeks to work on Obama's game-changing speech at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Iowa and even less time to work on Obama's victory speech last week. Weaving together lines from previous speeches—and even Obama's books—the team now knows the themes and language that reflect the candidate's voice."

Mine was a serious question, not a ding, by the way. Every major player on the stage has a team of speech writers. I think it's just too silly when people ooooh and ahhh about a politician's words. They are CRAFTED by people skilled in politics, often poll tested prior to delivery, and the perception is driven by propagandists who are deployed with the message of the day.

That's just the way it is.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:19 AM
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104. I stand corrected; more people are helping now, but Obama does
have a lot of influence on the speeches he gives. I imagine now that he isn't campaigning relentlessly, he's more involved:


The pitch worked. Favreau and Obama rapidly found a relatively direct way to work with each other. "What I do is to sit with him for half an hour," Favreau explains. "He talks and I type everything he says. I reshape it, I write. He writes, he reshapes it. That's how we get a
finished product.

"It's a great way to write speeches. A lot of times, you write something, you hand it in, it gets hacked by advisers, it gets to the candidate and then it gets sent back to you. This is a much more intimate way to work."

Some speeches are much more the product of the candidate himself. Obama e-mailed Favreau his draft of his announcement speech in Springfield, Ill., at 4 a.m. on the morning of the campaign launch last February.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:50 AM
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113. I think he wrote it himself.
He was making revisions to it right up until he gave it, and the way he delivered it...

I'd say this was an Obamariginal.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:12 PM
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218. Look above - he wrote it himself. n/t
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:33 AM
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56. Kick for excellent speech!
And for trenchant commentary by HamdenRice. K&R! GObama!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:34 AM
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57. Our next PRESIDENT!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:35 AM
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59. He did it again!!
He blew me away...
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HopeforChange Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:39 AM
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68. WHOOPS HE DID IT AGAIN ... SORRY HILLARY YOU AREN'T EVEN IN THE SAME ROOM WITH THIS GUY. n/t
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:39 AM
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63. K&R. n/t
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:39 AM
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65. It was an honor to listen to this speech live. A moment I will remember.
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:39 AM
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67. ....
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 10:44 AM by DeschutesRiver
This is the kind of character I am looking for in a candidate.

All of the candidates have flaws, just like the whole pool of humans from which they were selected. But I need to someone willing to both figure out what is needed and do the necessary to achieve it. Who knows the difference between conflict for the wrong reasons, and confrontation for the right reasons. Who hasn't lost his voice in his fear that a position of power might slip his grasp if he does so, like what has happened to Clinton.

This is speaking to me on a level I understand, about subjects that are not easy, and that for others, would be swept under the rug to fester and erupt some other day. Like his answer, or not like his answer, it is important to me that a candidate give me his or her thoughts on such matters. He appears to have no fear of doing so and so maybe this is about judgment - the formation of it, the ability to execute it, and to continue to understand the critical need to continually hone it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:03 AM
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99. Leadership.
Hi DeschutesRiver, and welcome to DU. :hi:
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:16 PM
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143. Good post--thoughtful and well-expressed!
Welcome to DU, BTW, from one who lives not too far from a River Called Deschutes!

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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:40 AM
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69. I will work my keister off
to get Barack Obama elected President.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:55 AM
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92. I'm proud to say I'll be here a lot less because I'll be staffing Obama's PERMANENT office in OH!
I start tomorrow. Will keep you all abreast. I hope others here will join me in getting a man with vision elected our next president. :hi:
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:58 PM
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231. That's awesome!
Please keep us posted.
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:40 AM
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70. I will work my keister off
to get Barack Obama elected President.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:41 AM
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71. MSNBC: Sally Quinn: "unprecedented" in American politics
Commentators look stunned...including Joe Scarborough.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:41 AM
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72. One of the most 'real' speeches I have heard. nm
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:41 AM
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74. Hillary is no were NEAR this guy...Hell, she looks down at her speaches!!! My GOODNESS!!!
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:54 AM
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89. he uses a TELEPROMPTER, for Christ's sake
Geez. People here sound as if they've fallen off the turnip truck.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:35 PM
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134. your expereience
Should allow you to see not only the importance of the spoken word in politics but also the caliber of speech this way in contrast to the other great political speeches we have seen.


The technical details are secondary.
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Patriot Abroad Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:22 AM
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249. After 7 years of watching Bush stumble through speeches . . .
It's a pleasure to see someone use a teleprompter effectively.

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:17 AM
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259. She's not running for head preacher. She's running for president. nt
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:42 AM
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75. Your last line undermined the rest of your post.
I don't think that was worthy of such an excellent speech about unity.

Just sayin'.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:04 AM
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100. Agreed. (nt)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:38 PM
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223. EXACTLY what I thought
distasteful and un-called for
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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:43 AM
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77. the media have to be hanging their heads after that.....
truth!
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AllexxisF1 Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:44 AM
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78. Best Speech In the Modern Era.
This speech has won Obama the Presidency of the United States.

This speech will make the rounds and even the bastards at Fox will have no choice to understand just how amazing this man is.


Hillary supporters need to understand that this has to end and end now.


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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:53 AM
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115. I hate to say it, but he reminded me of ... Ronald Reagan.
It was a great speech, delivered by a powerful orator.
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NYDem Observer Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:45 AM
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79. Unbelievable!!!
Going off to donate
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:45 AM
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80. This is the man we need.

DONATE to his campaign, so that Howard Dean will know who's behind him.

We will not let the enemies of progress stifle Barack as they did Dean and Kerry.

Stand up, Dems!

Support this man.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:46 AM
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81. the TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.
I guess there is "truth" in that saying. What does the other party have divide,conquer and hate, I think it's time to get back this country before we lose it right before our eyes. WE THE PEOPLE.
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:58 AM
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96. I still can't get over it
What a remarkable young man.

Clinton needs to make a note of it. This is the elusive quality in a person that you cannot manufacture, instead you encourage its full development. I will be more than happy to watch the progress as the years go by.

As for that tired old line of "I have the experience and am ready to go on day one" - experience comes to all with time, and many presidents including some of our greatest, didn't have much of that. And still others with vast amounts of experience appear to have had it do them no good at all. It isn't the amount of experience, it is the quality of how a candidate responds to their experiences that shapes them. Obama is able to make full use of that which he experiences and without hesitation and learn something in the process; Clinton has never been able to do the same.

Clinton cannot hold the illusion of being viable any longer - though I don't know how long it will take for her to understand what has already happened. I am hopeful that some in the Democratic Party can begin the ldifficult process of educating her about what she should already know, and letting her come to terms with it, without bitterly ruining what is not hers to hold anymore.

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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:16 PM
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144. Great post. Thank you for that, D-River.
:hi:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:50 AM
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83. This is why our family supports Obama and has from the beginning..
This is the message of hope that so many quickly jump on to denigrate. Because we realize that no amount of program plans and policy statements are worth the paper they are printed on if people don't believe they are understood, included, or valued. T;his man has learned more about the nation and the world than all the years in DC committe meetings and cocktail parties can school one. This is the type of experience the nation needs urgently because we have been hammered relentlessly for years now and are shattering along faultlines formed and preserved by the political machines. He gets it. And we do too.
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:51 AM
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84. Great "one out of the park" speech. And this is coming from a Hillary supporter
To think otherwise is because you don't want to or you are a GOP wing-nut.
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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:52 AM
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86. Can't say much more than he did! He spoke the truth and said it well!
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:53 AM
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88. K&R
:kick:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:55 AM
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90. Joe Scarbourgh just said it was one of the greatest speeches in 25 years
that he had heard, Pat Buchanan didn't like it, it grated on him.....
gee, you guess?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:47 AM
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111. Unfortunately Joe Scarbourgh is a Republican
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nanatois Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:01 PM
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177. And many Republicans are voting Obama
Many registered Republicans(in my family and at my church) have stated to me that they would vote for Obama. They don't like the Clintons but are tired of the war so their choice is Obama. My mother was wavering but then I showed her McCain on You tube doing the Bomb Iran song and she actually sat down and wrote a check for Obama. And this was a lady who thought Goldwater was too liberal. And that is why Obama will win the general election. He appeals to many.
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Oslo Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:47 PM
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238. He occasionally praises Obama but I still don't trust Joe.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:55 AM
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91. It was a great speech. I'm going to watch it again... n/t
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:59 AM
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97. group hug!
He's bringing it back together, despite the rightwing's attempts to divide-and-conquer.

An idea whose time has come.

GOBAMA!

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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:11 AM
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101. I really feel that we were listening to
What our country could be if we are brave and bold enough to grasp on. We have a maybe once in a generation chance to move ourselves forward and be the best of what we can be as human beings. I hope and pray we don't let the voices of those who want to keep up down and divided to deprive us of this opportunity to have a President who wants to bring out the best of us for the present and the future.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:14 AM
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102. They turn us against each other so they can steal our money.
n/t
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:17 PM
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125. another tactic in the rove playbook.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:29 AM
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105. Had to attend a meeting just as he came on. Will it be re-broadcast in entirty?
If anybody has info on rebroadcast or pod cast, could them post AND pm me? Pretty please?

Thanks gang!
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:52 AM
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114. kos has it- link here:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:35 PM
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133. Many thanks!
:loveya:
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:45 AM
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108. "telling PURE TRUTH we haven't heard ever"?
What ? He has said nothing we have not heard for over 100 years , JFK and RFK and MLK said the same things . Ignorance , did you ever read history or a book or have civics class ?
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:48 AM
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112. proof of the generation gap right there.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:01 PM
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118. LOL. I'm probably old enough to be your father.
I lived through the days of the segregated south and civil rights movement.

Maybe you weren't listening closely enough to hear what was new.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:13 PM
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122. there has ALWAY'S been generation gaps . nt
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:00 PM
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117. No, actually it was very different
In general, there have been two "sides" or perspectives on race issues in this country, with commentators taking one side or the other to varying degress.

What I found most profound about Obama's speech is his positioning himself as both an outsider to all groups and a member of all groups, and thereby being able to see it from both sides.

I've rarely seen anyone treat as equally legitimate, African Americans' reactions to the long history of racism and the objections by white workers of immigrant background that they had nothing to do with slavery in the same speech.

THAT's what was groundbreaking.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:05 PM
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120. Great comment
"positioning himself as both an outsider to all groups and a member of all groups..." - thanks for this.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:58 PM
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241. That really does hit the nail on the head, I agree.
Well put.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:11 PM
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121. Yes that's true to that one point
But why is it that Obama had to be called out before he ever addressed any of this before today ? If he felt he has such a clear persective from both sides on the issues of race then why now , damage control , a purely political move .

On top of this there are many half black , half white citizens in this country or half of any two races for that matter . He just happens to be the first running for president .

These are still issues of well known facts that go back many many years and now that the people who belong to black churches have come out in Wrights defense have said that many black churches have these same sort of events what they have done is heat up the racial divide within the racist groups , this presents a problem .
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scrucon Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:14 PM
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210. Clear perspective?
If he had clear perspective, he should of responded on day 1. He took such a long time to respond because he's good at making speeches, not at responding on the spot. That's what is disappointing to me about Obama. I have to tell you, I'm half black and I never heard anything like this in my church. I'm sorry that Wright and Obama are making black churches look bad. That's not the change that I'd been looking forward to.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:25 PM
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130. I agree with you. He saw everything very clearly.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:44 PM
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171. Great comment. Thanks so much for that!
:thumbsup: :hi:
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Annoyingly Logical Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:13 PM
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266. New Generation
If you are not at least 50 years old you never heard JFT RFK and MLK deliver a speech live.

I will be 40 years old this July and MLK was assasinated 4 months dead before I was born.

If you are my age or younger, you would've only heard snippets of speeches of this ilk in your "civics" class (I think nowadays they call it History class).

I think the difference in this speech vs. those of the past is that he isn't condemning racial bigots, but rather regular people who have unresolved racial issues in their makeup (the best example he used was his grandma). Instead he gave historical context for their flawed thinking, and offered a roadmap to our future together.

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sloppyjoe25s Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:03 PM
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119. Bingo
Shock and Awe! Barack Rides Again!!
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:16 PM
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124. donations are gonna spike today.
wait for the news on this.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:20 PM
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127. GREAT IDEA-ON MY WAY RIGHT NOW!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:18 PM
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126. BEAUTIFUL - Thank you President Obama!!!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:47 PM
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135. Where was Obama when Edwards was speaking about the poor & middle class?
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 12:49 PM by TheGoldenRule
I'll tell you-he was silent! Obama is only speaking up to cover his a$$ and his real corporatist leanings!

FYI-your premise is bullshit. I don't watch the mainstream corporate media-I don't have cable and refuse to watch the crap on the networks. So how am I being distracted by the media? Ridiculous. :eyes:

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:48 PM
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136. self delete
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 12:49 PM by TheGoldenRule
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:04 PM
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138. Kick for the truth.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:22 PM
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139.  K and R
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:31 PM
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140. Well, many many years ago,
while others were out giving speeches about the poor and working class, Obama was in Chicago trying to get their jobs back and their lives in better shape. More than Edwards or Clinton, he has both talked the talk and walked the walk. He has much more to learn and do, he is a young man still. But this shows me more promise of future good deeds.
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biglefthander Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:44 PM
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142. Great speech, great man
Every Democrat should be proud to have this man leading our party. Our future and that of America is looking very bright indeed.:patriot:
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:29 PM
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148. Barack's divided past
His upbringing and life experience is eerily parallel to my own, and I am pure whiteboy. I see things like Rev. Wright AND like Barack's grandma AT THE SAME TIME. Yeah, he spoke to me today. I love what he said.
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BigD_95 Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:51 PM
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152. The man is
simply amazing!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:54 PM
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154. Totally amazing! Sen Obama wasn't my first choice but I'm glad he is my final choice!
I was worried about his experience at first, but today he proves he is beyond expectations-He's Presidential!
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treehuggnlibrul Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:53 PM
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153. I hope the media doesn't bury this.
Healing truth... he takes a light and shines it on what other politicians sidestep in the dark.

I'm supposed to be working, and I'm sitting here crying.

Beautifully done. Historic. I am so glad to hear this in my lifetime.

Now let's see what the media does.

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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:09 PM
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158. Thank you, Barack Obama! I knew you'd do us proud!
:toast:

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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:19 PM
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160. This was his moment, and he made the most of it.
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 03:21 PM by Spiffarino
I've been inspired by many a speech in my life, but few times have I taken away as much from one as I did today. His words went straight to my heart.

I'm sorry he had to condemn Pastor Wright's words, but it was necessary. He disagreed with them and it had to be said. But at the same time he denounced his words he announced that his love for the man himself will remain intact. How very, very Christian of Barack Obama, and how very proud I am of him today.

Edit: Big K&R number 80. You now have a well-deserved five-star thread, my friend!
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:20 PM
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162. kick
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:21 PM
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165. The only way he is going to be elected is by telling the truth
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:21 PM
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164. Yes, my ears have been ringing since his speech. I think that sound is the 'ring' of truth!
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CaliforniaDreaming Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:37 PM
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170. It was a fantastic speech.
I just hope enough people hear or read it in its entirety. The corporate media scumbags won't touch the stuff about corporations.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:57 PM
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174. It was a good speech.
'Course, we already knew he could give a good speech.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:59 PM
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176. A president willing to listen to everyone
and I have to say he is the best orator I have heard in a very very long time.
America needs a skilled communicator who can unite our divided country. Not that we can agree on everything, but we can start to treat each other with respect, and this man knows how to inspire respect.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:11 PM
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181. your subject line
is the essence of what makes him special in my eyes. Listen to everyone, not doing so is arrogant.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:02 PM
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178. my mom just called, she was the last Hillary supporter in the family, he won her over.
She's 84 and the most wonderful woman on earth but we've treated her like a crazy uncle for her support of Hillary (excused her really as she is the original feminist).

so, she just had to tell me.

He won her over with this speech.

(oh she also wanted to tell me how good the market was today...no old dottering full her)
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:48 PM
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194. What a lovely anecdote! Thanks! nt
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:02 PM
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179. Great speeches are never accidental
Never. And they are never delivered by dunces like * because * doesn't have what it takes to even understand what the speech was about.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:17 PM
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185. This type of thing is pure poetic justice.
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 04:18 PM by truedelphi
I am so glad that i lived to see this happening.

I get chills thinking about Obama as President.

Chills.

Like many on DU, I grew up in a racially segregated area -- in my case a Chicago neighborhood. The only black person that ever entered my parents home when I was a child was the cleaning lady.

And now my parents have had African American neighbors; my son grew up with kids of all ethnicities.

We might have Obama as President. The thought inspires me on some level that my cynical soul no longer thought existed inside me.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:36 PM
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189. Yes indeed!
:applause:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:43 PM
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192. I'm donating right now!
For Ashley, and for ALL of us!
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:51 PM
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195. Yes! Yes! Yes!
The Corporations are robbing us blind!

That's something that Hillary Clinton would never say!

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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:16 PM
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197. It was pure, it was real, it was the TRUTH. America needs this
man to become the 44th. POTUS.
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weezie1317 Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:00 PM
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205. Great post!
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:02 PM
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206. Two of my Hillster friends just crossed over
He's the man. Neither Clinton is in the same star system as Barack.

And ya know? He WILL become pres.

Reserve a piece of your next paycheck for a donation!
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:13 PM
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208. Correction
"any more than he would reject his white grandmother's sometimes bigotted remarks."

That should be, "any more than he would reject his grandmother, that sometime made bigotted remarks", thank you.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:17 PM
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211. I read the transcript here at DU this morning
At 7:45, as I was heading off to work.

All I could think about all day was how true his statements were and how I had never heard a public figure (who wasn't a comedian) speak so truthfully about this country and it's people. This man is special and in a special postion racially, socially and politically to help us heal from a number of long national nightmares. IMHO, We'd be utter fools to reject this chance.




K&R, Hamden. Thanks.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:04 PM
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215. THIS is what is so dangerous to the establishment; uniting people . . .
"Meanwhile, the corporations are robbing us blind" . ..

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:30 PM
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226. I was surprised by the anti-corporate twist in a race speech! nt
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 08:30 PM by HamdenRice
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:25 AM
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245. No -- so relevant . . . !!!!
If it weren't for those few who think they own the everything --
there would be no exploitation of humans based on various myths of inferiority . . .
neither gender, nor race, nor sexual orientation, nor spiritual beliefs.

Teaching racial inferiority is the way that oppression is put in place ---
for those who benefit.




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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:07 PM
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216. Choice
You can't choose your grandmother, but you can choose your pastor and spiritual adviser.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:30 PM
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220. We all know over here that everything is for sale in the US
So, being from Denmark I just want to know:
What do I have cough up, for you to give that guy up and ship him over here?

Second choice would be a fastracked citizenship so I could donate to his campaign.

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:34 PM
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221. Never Have the Words "JUST WOW"
been more appropriate or more eloquent.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:39 PM
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224. Incredible speech.
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mhoran Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:26 PM
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225. Need more evidence...
...as to Obama's ability to unite? Thanks so much to the Hillary supporters for their gracious acknowledgments. It's been easy to feel discouraged by the bickering we've seen between some Obama and Hillary supporters around here recently. We all must stick together, however this all plays out.

That said, I am again inspired by Barack Obama's grace, intelligence, courage, and decency.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:43 PM
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228. welcome to du
it will all fall together soon enough
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:44 PM
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229. Yep, historic
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:18 PM
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232. Nope - he's fallen short - by a long shot...
It's NOT going to "go away" no matter what you obamabots wish!

HA HA!

Say goodnite to him - he's DONE...
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:22 PM
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237. Glad to see your so happy with your HOPE that the racial divide never goes away.
:puke:

You should be proud of yourself, all wrapped up in your warm blanket of despair.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:52 PM
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233. You got it, man.
Hit it right down Broadway.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:49 PM
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239. Awesome speech !! Go obama !!
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rontun Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:29 PM
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240. Dare we share his Audacity of Hope?
Senator Obama, I believe, successfully appealed to the best within us by having the courage to challenge our worst instincts. His message of unity, of common purpose, promises to transport us beyond the divisive politics that have crippled our nation’s progress.

For those who are dissatisfied with the absence of any “real solutions” in the text of his speech, I believe you’re missing the underlying principles of Obama’s campaign and his promise for substantive change.

The substance of Senator Obama’s appeal to the American people is that we work together to forge solutions to our problems, and that only by the collective will of the American people can we be successful. While he does offer a broad vision of what he believes America should pursue if it is to come closer to achieving its ideals, he recognizes that the path to success requires the inclusion of everyone’s ideas in crafting workable solutions.

The Senator is obviously an idealist, but also a pragmatist, placing much more emphasis on trusting the American people to coalesce around approaches reached through honest discussion and debate than on offering set prescriptions that ignore the advice and considerations of a large segment of the population.

Might I add that I believe the success of his campaign, which has been built almost entirely on the grass roots level, will be instrumental in his ability to effectively govern and lead the nation. He’s had over a million people contribute to his campaign, and has amassed a data base of millions more supporters, most with active email addresses.

I can foresee a time when he will tap into that base of supporters when he needs advocates for his proposals in Congress. Can you imagine the reaction of the members of the House and Senate should their email in-boxes be flooded with messages of support for Obama’s programs from their own constituents?

Not only is the man an incredible verbal communicator, but he’s also mastering the art of communications in an ever evolving age of technology. Senator Obama is, more than any other candidate, firmly implanted in the 21st century.

He’s white, he’s black, he’s a Christian with Muslim heritage, and a product of both public school and Ivy League education. One cannot ignore that his perspective is unique, and embodies both America as it is, and as it hopes to become.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:03 AM
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252. Thanks for that thoughtful reply -- it deserves a thread of its own! nt
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:56 AM
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246. put the same words in hillary's or mccain's mouth and you'd be shitting all over them. that's the r
reality of it. the whole O frenzy is nothing more than a cult of personality. you may not see it, but GE voters will.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:35 AM
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247. Obama said unity. Axelrod said "Hillary is a b-word who cheats"
To me Obama's words are just words if his campaign is making ugly gestures like that to ensure that Hillary will be too mad to make any gesture of reconciliation back.

To me it looks like Axelrod said "Go out and act like you want unity, I will fan the flames since all this baiting is so good for our numbers "

And I see no unity at DU.

Axelrod is a creep, straight from the Daley mold.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:21 AM
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248. K&R. (nt)
:-)
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:06 AM
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250. Whatever. His Rev was right.
The cock is crowing.
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mountain mama Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:42 AM
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251. Obama Speech
I want him to be my President. This message has needed to be talked about for years. He's a healer.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:23 AM
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254. kr
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:20 AM
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262. K&R Go Obama!!!
:kick:
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:48 AM
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264. K & R
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:32 AM
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265. This speech puts things into perspective a bit
There is anger and resentment in the black community, but there's a historical basis for it and I think Obama explained it quite well. Once we recognize this (as opposed to exploiting division for political gain), and become a true post-racial society, this country will be able to stand tall. Hopefully that day comes sooner rather than later.
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