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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:31 PM
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troll, freeper, cyberpiehole, asshole, Hillarybot, Obamabot
and, of course, "talking points" and "kool-aid."

This is the problem with this forum.

Someone may post an opinion about one of the candidates. Instead of others debating the issues raised, many will respond with just one word - from the subject line, above.

If you don't have anything to contribute to the specific topic at hand - just don't post.

Most of us joined DU to debate but also to learn about topics, mostly about our Democratic representatives and candidates. There is vast knowledge on these pages, but too much of it just disappears.

Personally, I have always found individuals who liberally use profanity, or who just attack others with the one of the above word, to be of poor vocabulary and of thinking and conceptualizing abilities.

Just now, we have had several threads praising Obama's speech with which I, a Clinton supporter, agree.

However there are already "preemptive" posts about how Hillary and her supporters "should react." Why is that?

I personally do not visit Drudge, or Fox, or Limbaugh sites. Why give them extra hits so that they charge more for advertisers? But I appreciate the information that other DUers bring over. Many of our co-workers, neighbors and, yes, family members, do get their information from them so we need to be ready to respond with intelligent, knowledgeable rebuttal. Beyond "asshole."

For example, last summer I was grateful for the DUers who told me the correct etiquette when singing the national anthem or when saying the pledge of allegiance, and how these change in the absence of the flag. It helped me some months later.

And if one does not appreciate reading a post from Coulter, or Limbaugh, no one forces anyone to read them. As a matter of fact, if some find a certain post objective, the easiest way to ignore it is not to respond. It will sink fast enough.

I realize that the Internet provides an outlet for many angry and frustrating feelings. And, I suppose, it is better for our society for people to vent behind the anonymity of the Internet than to harass their co-workers, subordinates or customers, fight with their spouses and kids or kick the dog.

But can we please limit our comments on these pages to debating the issues? And, to a certain extent the image - I suppose we cannot completely ignore the images - without being catty?

And I don't understand the attacks on DUers with "low post counts." First the newbie status should be determined by the date joined, not by the number of posts. There are many lurkers here. Second, though, most of us joined to express our opinions, and even someone who just joined last week has a right to post. Or, is the way to "build up" the count is with one word responses like OMG, LOL and WTF? Again, if anyone disagrees, respond to the content of the post, not to the status of the poster.

And then we have the "ignore" function that I have never used, have no idea how to use it and how it would affect my visits here. I think that it masks comments of the ignored DUers and, again, I have to question why anyone would participate in a political forum while hiding opinion from other with whom they disagree. Does anyone think that in politics one can achieve anything by "ignoring" opposing view points?

One does not have to read everything. I doubt that it is humanly possible. One does not have to read every single thread and one does not have to read all the responses. And one does not have to have the last word on any debate. This is how often threads deteriorate with "I did," "I did not."

OK, end of rant.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:34 PM
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1. Good post
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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:35 PM
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2. the problem is....
with so many threads, people don't or won't read long posts so a lot is lost. Brevity is best. I agree, some are over the top but if you want debates then perhaps you need a place with less people or go to a coffee shop. And, sometimes, pictures are worth a THOUSAND words....

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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:50 PM
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3. Benjamin Franklin on Thinking Aloud

The miniseries' second installment, titled "Independence," begins in 1775 with that second congress. Adams still finds himself a respected but unpopular member of the club.

Benjamin Franklin (Tom Wilkinson) is talking to John Adams (Paul Giamatti) about the ways and wherefores of politics. Franklin chided JA about a speech JA gave in opposition to a vote, telling JA that he lost anyway, and all that was served was that he made enemies over it. The witty Benjamin Franklin cautions JA to be more "politic" in his pronouncements.

"Do you not believe in saying what you think?" Adams asks with some astonishment.

"No" the learned Franklin responds, "thinking aloud is a habit responsible for much of mankind's misery."



(Something perhaps worth giving some thought to.)
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:17 PM
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6. This is a great program
with excellent actors.

And, yes, "thinking aloud" seems to be the norm here.

Thank you for the reference.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:38 PM
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12. one of my favorite lines of all time.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:52 PM
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4. the Obama folks here really turn me completely off to Obama...that's a fact.......
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 12:57 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
you shut down any and all of the good feelings that he tries so hard to spread....sad

you do more damage than all the "Hilbots and the RWingers and Fox do


just stop it!!

and that goes for all of the faux Hillary supporters too!
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:45 PM
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5. Oh. I see. It is the entire group of Obama supporters who
do the terrible things you mentioned, but it is only the "faux" Hillary supporters who do so.

Interesting mind set.

Think about it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:43 PM
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14. It says a lot, the wording people choose to use. (nt)
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:39 PM
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13. i actually agree on both ends.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:21 PM
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7. Well, considering your thoughts in the post, I don't see why you don't use ignore.
Quite simply, I don't use it to hide people whose opinions I disagree with. I use it to hide people who do as you say-- a one word mean reply who have not contributed anything to the discussion. I use it on people from both camps. I think there is a different way to slice the people in DU. Not Obama / Clinton, but mean people / nice people. Or, substantive discourse vs. drive-bys. So I think my judicious use of the ignore button goes a long way to making this forum more bearable. :D
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:05 PM
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8. Interesting observation
I guess I do not look that close at every post to divide DUers by their responses.

For example, is the person who just calls someone else "asshole" does it all the time, or does s/he have more worthy posts? (I guess I do hope that most DUers are intelligent, smart people who just get carried away on occasions).

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:23 PM
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9. Well, there's usually a pattern.
"You're mean," ... "Still mean," .... "Yes, still mean" ... ignore.

That said, I do sometimes check on what Ignored is saying by logging out or using a different browser. 9/10 they're being an asshat, but sometimes it's okay. I don't get the feeling I am missing a lot. Especially because, if you look at it, it's pretty easy to distinguish gratuitous and unthoughtful 'mean' from genuinely insulted or unhappy 'mean.' I don't have OMC on ignore, for example, 'cause even though he's a fighter he's a fighter with substance. :D
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:30 PM
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10. Adding the term "Clintonista"
that I have not seen before

Thank you, Debi, for being such a "uniter."
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:35 PM
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11. I agree, and want to add: Show respect for these candidates
It's "Senator Clinton" and "Senator Obama." Anything less is disrespectful.
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