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yasmina27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:14 AM
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Another article that supports the speculation
that the Clinton campaign may have been behind the passport breach:

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZGE1ZjIyZjA3ODA2ZDBlM2ZiYjcyZTRhNmI2ODYwNmE=

Somebody Was Snooping in Obama's Passport File?

A weird campaign cycle gets even weirder - three State Department contract employees have been caught nosing around in Barack Obama's passport file. Two were fired, one was disciplined. The first breach was on January 9; the inspector general is launching an investigation.

Still, what did the snoopers expect to find? The only information on the passport that wouldn't be in the public domain would be his Social Security number.

The only other information that would be in there would be his travel history, which wouldn't be useful unless...

A little while back, the Hillary campaign — specifically Lee Feinstein, the campaign's national security director, asked a question:

As voters evaluate you as a potential Commander-in-Chief, do you think it's legitimate for people to be concerned that you have traveled to only one NATO country, on a brief stopover trip in 2005, and have never traveled to Latin America?

I remember hearing their charge that Obama had only visited one NATO country in his life and it seemed pretty hard to believe... out of countries like Canada, the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Turkey, etc., Obama had only been to one? The boy who grew up in Indonesia, and visited relatives in Africa, never made it to any of those European countries? The guy who lived in Chicago and went to Harvard never made it to Canada? (I presume Canada wasn't the site of the brief stopover trip.)

Now, I'm not saying that the Hillary camp did the snooping in the passport file. But in asking that question, they seemed awfully certain that Obama had never been to one of those countries earlier in his life, didn't they? Note they didn't say, "you have traveled to only one NATO country as a senator", (it wouldn't be all that surprising that Obama had only taken a few foreign trips since taking office in January 2005); they worded the question so that it encompasses his entire life.

The question came from the Hillary camp on March 12; two of the breaches were before that date. One breach occurred two days later.

Hmmm...


I didn't see this posted before, let me know if it's a dupe. TIA!
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:16 AM
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1. Now that IS interesting!
This is why the whole incident needs to be investigated fully.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:17 AM
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2. Anything is possible but I think blaming her without more info is totally
wrong. The republicans would love to hurt Obama and the games McCain plays are "interesting" to say the least. HW Bush did it to Clinton, could it be the apple doesn't fall far from the tree?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:20 AM
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4. McCain has rover, now.
It smells like the turd blossom.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:25 AM
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6. The first two breaches took place before turd went to work for McCain.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:29 AM
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9. Before he publicly went to McCain.
He still could have pulled strings to do some research on the front-runer.
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yasmina27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:26 AM
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7. I totally agree
Although I support Obama, I don't view this as a smoking gun,. But it definitely points to the need for a thorough AND FAST investigation. Not one that drags on until after the election is over.
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yasmina27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:27 PM
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26. ITA!!
A full, thorough, and immediate investigation is needed, to clear this up as to who was responsible!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:18 AM
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3. That is weird...how else would Clinton know that?
Does anyone know where else you can get this info?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:22 AM
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5. Wow - that's rather damning, isn't it? How would they have known? nt
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:27 AM
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8. Hmmm very interesting, Most everyone I know has knowledge of my travels BECAUSE I TOLD THEM!
This is a stupid accusation as most of his travels HE has talked about or is part of public records. Stop being gullible.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:30 AM
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10. Are you a U.S. or State Senator? n/t
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yasmina27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:36 AM
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11. Excuse me?
I'm not gullible or stupid. I already clearly stated that this does not constitute a smoking gun. But it does warrant in immediate and thorough investigation.

Sheesh, let's be reasonable :shrug:
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:50 AM
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12. Your passport doesn't give this sort of information.
In the old days, it *MIGHT* have been possible to conclusively
say, based on a passport, "You've only been to countries X,
Y, and Z."

But nowadays, with travel within most of Europe *NOT* requiring
any sort of passports, IDs, or border controls, the only thing
your passport *MIGHT* be able to prove is through which countries
you entered and exited Europe. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

Even ages ago, when Mr. Tesha took a one-day tour into the PRC,
the Chinese officials asked him whether or not he wanted his
passport stamped. Apparently, Taiwan had this thing about
giving a hard time to folks who had a stamp from the PRC in
their passports. (Mr. T's passport was about to expire and
be replaced so yes, he took the stamp as a souvenir.)

Tesha


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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:14 AM
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17. That's an interesting question. Your passport doesn't but what about your passport FILE.
Just because they don't stamp it doesn't mean there's a record there somewhere? The fact is, who knows what's in there? Is there a news story that tells us?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:43 AM
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19. Like I said...
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 08:44 AM by Tesha
Like I said. once you're within the countries of the
Schengen Agreement, there *AREN'T* any border controls.
You can drive back and forth all day between, say,
France and Germany and unless there's clandestine
monitoring going on, no one even knows you've been
by, let alone looked at your passport.

Tesha
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:58 AM
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13. I doubt if it was Hillary's campaign
but it's possible the snoopers were Hillary supporters, that seems feasible
to me. (No offense meant to DU Hillary supporters.)
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:07 AM
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14. nonsense
this all happened to Bill Clinton and the blame then first went to the Clinton campaign

it was later found but not widely reported that HW was behind it

it was covered up bt Joe Digenova

excellent article posted in general discussion

consortiumnews.com has the article

Bill from ct
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:11 AM
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15. National Review? Really?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:13 AM
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16. Compared to the Hillary supporters using Newsmax and Hannity for two weeks.....
....National Review is a solid source.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:23 AM
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25. In all fairness I saw Obama supporters use Newsmax in the past.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:50 AM
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20. if these are verifiable facts, then source doesnt matter.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:15 AM
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18. and you help in the this Whispering campaign--Rove would be PROUD of you.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:54 AM
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21. We are not whispering it.
We are saying it out loud. Yes, there is no proof yet, but it looks mighty suspicious, especially since it is widely believed that Clinton would do anything to get the nomination.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:01 AM
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22. I remember hearing her say that and wondering about how she got her information...
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:48 AM
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23. Once again, we have BO 'useful idiots' parroting RW talking points n/t
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:49 AM
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24. Paul is Dead
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 09:53 AM by Tom Rinaldo
The evidence supporting it was overwhelming back in the 60's:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead
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