Obama Eclipses Clinton Even w/ MI & FL & w/o Uncommitted Votes

[Khaotic]

For the first time, Obama has now eclipsed Clinton when you use the super delegates and use the counts from the MI/FL contests and give ZERO uncommitted votes in MI to Obama.



While there's NO WAY the Michigan and Florida delegations will be seated as is, but it's worth noting that even in Hillary's wet dream scenario of seating them that way, she still currently comes up short.

The case against seating them as is, IS clear. Those contests were flawed, they didn't represent a true contest because voters didn't believe their delegates were going to count (at the time of the vote in MI, even Hillary attempted to calm people down who were upset her name was on the MI ballots by stating the contest wasn't counting).

Democratic turnout in both those states were eclipsed by GOP turnout, which is completely against the trend from the other states.



With Richardson's endorsement, Obama has surpassed a major landmark.

Super delegates are STILL going to Obama.

As of March 21, 2008


Hillary has been relying on manufactured scandals and super delegates ... and it's just not adding up for her.

Even in the midst of the pastorgate loops played over and over the weekend of March 15, Obama picked up delegates in Iowa.

Even in the continued midst of pastorgate nationwide Obama continues to pick up super delegates.

Active County Democrats in Iowa get it. A climbing number of elected Democrats and party insiders are getting it.

The voters in upcoming states might be hoodwinked temporarily by the MSM's loop of pastorgate, but they'll get it too.

They'll understand that Clinton CAN'T have it both ways. Her campaign can't play down endorsements from a Super like Richardson by saying he doesn't express the will of his people in New Mexico, THEN in the next breath tell us that the Supers nationwide need to elect who they think is electable in November.

Ya see ... the later statement is a play for Supers to vote for her regardless of how their constiuants voted, regardless of the popular vote, regardless of who has the most states, and especially regardless of who has the most pledged delegates.



So it's bad, mmmkay, that Richardson went against the will of his constiuants, mmmkay. That's bad, mmmkay.

But it's not bad for Supers to do that as long as those people endorse Hillary, mmmkay.

We still haven't seen her earmarks. We still haven't seen her taxes. Her song and dance is getting old.

The drip, drip, drip, continues for Hillary.

GOBAMA!!!!!

[Tom Rinaldo]

1. Yes, and it points out...

...how deceptive it is to claim which Democrat is the choice of most Democrats for President without two of the largest 10 states, Florida and Michigan, being taken into account. When they are taken into account the race is extremely close, with Obama just barely ahead heading into PA where Clinton is expected to win easily. This is a very closely divided Democratic electorate.

[olkaz]

2. Nobody was saying that last August.

"...how deceptive it is to claim which Democrat is the choice of most Democrats for President without two of the largest 10 states, Florida and Michigan, being taken into account. "

No idea why.

[Tom Rinaldo]

3. It wasn't a tight race last August, that's why

Most people assumed that after Florida and Michigan got punished by having the candidate campaigns bypass them completely that, after the fact, something would be worked out to seat their delegates in Denver rather than risk alienating voters in two crucial swing states. The leading Democratic candidate, whoever that was, would have insisted on it and the rules committee would have made it happen. No one then thought the race would be so close that who won the nomination could actually be influenced by whether or not Florida and Michigan got disenfranchised.

Back in August of 2007 there was no reason to believe that the delegate count, let alone the popular vote count, would be close in late March of 2008.

[Johnny__Motown]

5. Tom has it exactly right (for MI) It was reported here last summer that because Clinton was

inevitable we could move up our primary without it affecting the outcome. We could simply accept the DNC punishment this time and set the precedent for an early Michigan primary so the next time around we could hold an early primary and (presumably) not be punished for it.

Gov. Grandholm is a big Clinton supporter, her blind devotion and arrogance is to blame for Michigan's primary problem.

[wileedog]

4. You can't just count those primaries as is either

Obama wasn't even on the ballot in one, and the other it was made quite clear months and months in advance that it wasn't going to count.

They are NOT valid elections that can be just shoe-horned in.

[Tom Rinaldo]

6. Do you have any doubt Clinton would have won Florida?

She won California by a large margin a week later with the Kennedy clan out in force all week campaigning for Obama there. Both states have large hispanic populations and to this day illary Clinton polls much better in Florida than Barack Obama does.

Had Clinton handily won an officially contested Florida Primary there is good reason to believe she would have gone into Super Tuesday with more money and momentum than she had, changing the results there as well.

[wileedog]

8. Doesn't matter - You can't decide elections with assumptions.

You can't decide them with polls. You can't decide them with votes that don't count and then they do.

Obama would have every right to take the those results to court and he would win handily. Its setting up another ridiculous voting disaster in FL that again makes the party look like imbeciles.

They had their chance to set up a redo and failed, through no fault of Obama.

[Tom Rinaldo]

9. It is my opinion that Obama resisted revotes, and that would be preferable to have

but my main point is that Super Delegates can and should use their best judgment to factor in the importance of both Florida and Michigan to their deliberations regarding who will be our strongest nominee. In Florida at least they can at least consider the popular will as expressed by the votes of 1.7 million people. There is no plausible reaason not to believe that Hillary Clinton has the support of many more Democrats in Florida than Barack Obama does.

[Johnny__Motown]

7. I love that SD chart, remember when it's bottom tier was 60? Oreo may need an Obama SD lead chart

soon