Why is it that Obama is the one that is taking on McCain and calling him out, while Hillary sucks up

[IsItJustMe]

McCain.

Hillary Supporters: Does this ever give you pause to wonder?

Obama is clearly the one that will take the fight to the Republicans, not Hillary.

[rodeodance]

1. You missed her speach on Monday and yesterday. You look FOOLISH spouting off

you do not educate your self first

[IsItJustMe]

3. Sorry, I quit watching her after she said that her and McCain had the experience and Obama didn't.

I can no longer look at her. Just the way it is I am afraid.

[Skoods]

16. Many people agree with her n/t

[IsItJustMe]

25. You may be right. I don't know. If that so, I guess we may as well be prepared ourselved for four

more years of the same-old, same-old.

[rodeodance]

24. **SO YOU LIE--you do not know what she is saying. and you admit it.

[Froward69]

14. Link to Hillary???

[rodeodance]

37. I am not your secretary. Find your own material

[Froward69]

38. If she was sooooo great

you would have and push the link...

i guess it is only worth embellishing, not promoting.

[SoonerPride]

2. Because Obama is going to be our nominee and Hillary ain't

He still has to fight a war on two fronts.

And he's more than willing to do it.

[blm]

4. This is exactly the way Clintons acted in 2003-4, too, supporting Bush publicly

and defending him repeatedly against the 'criticisms of the left' during Bill's high profile interviews on his 3 week book tour.



http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

And Carville worked BEHIND the scenes for BushInc on election night.
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[snappyturtle]

5. Thanks for bringing up Carville. Everytime I see him on teevee I

have to wonder if there's still anyone left that would believe a word out of his mouth. Why does the MSM continue to use Carville?

[IsItJustMe]

7. You may have the answer, because I don't and I am still trying to figure it out.

The question is this:

WHY?

I don't get it and I would really like to know. Is this what is known as "triangulation" that I keep hearing about?

Please enlighten me if you understand it.

[blm]

9. I have concluded that the deep-sixing of GHWBush's many illegal operations throughout the 90s

was accomplished because Bush's longtime ally and fellow BCCI figure Jackson Stephens bankrolled the Clintons careers in Arkansas to put them in the position of being BushInc's protectors on the left.

Bushies expected to be impeached after the Dec 1992 release of the BCCI report. Stephens boy Clinton gets into the race, his primary campaign UNDERWRITTEN by Stephens, and Poppy Bush ends up running the worst campaign in history for any sitting president.

Bill took office and all the many outstanding matters that were under investigation and required access to documents long stonewalled by Bush1, were swept under the oval office rug, and the new Dem president showed no interest in granting access to documents for those investigations any more than Bush did. They faded away.

That allowed BushInc to return to power in 2000, stronger than ever.

Robert Parry made note of this in relation to his investigatory work on IranContra and Iraqgate matters that were current at the time of Bill's new presidency:

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[EffieBlack]

6. I love Hillary Clinton but

I just can't understand how she can cozy up to a man who said this about her daughter:

"Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father."

While folks are fussing about why Obama hasn't distanced himself from his minister, why isn't anyone asking why Hillary Clinton continues to praise a man who would say such a thing about her child?

I'm not trying to beat up on Hillary. I just really don't understand this. Her reaction to David Schuster's obnoxious comment about Chelsea was dead on. So why doesn't this provoke a similar reaction?

[ORDem]

8. Because Hillary is a consummate politician, anything to win and stay in office.

I supported her in early '07, was thrilled actually to have her running. But, as her campaign wore on and my selective memory of the Clinton years was slowly reconstituted I came to be disappointed in her and just about every week or month that goes by sets me harder against having her anywhere near the WH. America just can NOT thrive under the politics as usual game that goes on every election cycle. Our government has been absolutely hijacked by the corporate lobbyists and there has to be some shake-up at some point. I'm not very optimistic that anyone can do it, we are so brainwashed by the MSM, but I think Obama's got the best shot at it right now.

:dem:

[IsItJustMe]

10. I have to agree with your sentiment. On a personal level, it is much easier for me to forgive

someone that has came after me than it would be if they came after my child. That is an entirely different matter.

[cooolandrew]

11. That's the big difference. As Malloy says and he's mostly right HRC is a Republican.

[krkaufman]

21. DLC == Republican Lite. no question. no debate. n/t

[matt819]

12. Maybe this makes the most sense

After all, Clinton has all but endorsed McCain. So Obama bypasses Hillary completely and essentially campaigns against McCain, which, in effect, has him campaigning against Hillary, in the process marginalizing her.

[krkaufman]

19. Yes, he needs to frame McCain as adhering to the George Bush Commander-in-Chief model ...

... which then implicates Hillary due to her praising McCain's qualifications.

Both Hillary and McCain endorsed Bush's preemptive war with Iraq and further war-mongering against Iran (Kyl-Lieberman).

[bigtree]

13. Obama elevates petty attacks. He's apt to get led around by them.

Hillary Clinton chooses her battles. Right now she's focused on winning this primary. Next, if she's nominated, she'll focus on taking down McCain.

[krkaufman]

17. Except what if she doesn't win the nomination? What if Obama wins the nomination?

Have not some of her tactics diminished his chances in the GE, by aiding the Republican candidate?

[krkaufman]

15. Have you not seen the recent "vs McCain" matchup opinion polls?

If she can elevate McCain over Obama temporarily, then it aids her in her case that "Obama is not electable." And it appears that her praise for McCain has, indeed, had the desired effect. McCain now leads Obama in some opinion polling. What should be noted, though, is that McCain also leads Hillary in most polling.

Her praise for McCain has resulted in more of a boost for McCain over both Democratic candidates, as much as a relative boost for Hillary over Obama.

[IsItJustMe]

22. If that be the case, all I can say is that she is playing with fire and that this is one very

screwed up stratagy. Speaking for myself, on a psychological level. after everything she has said and done with regards to McCain, I would be no more inclined to vote for her than I would McCain.

I think she has dug her own grave, if she were to be the nominee and run against McCain.

I don't know of any other way to put it. It has just blown my mind.

I don't even know how she still has any strong supporters after this.

[krkaufman]

34. Me, either. I really don't want a Republican in the White House ...

... but I've grown to loathe Clinton-style politics as much as Bush/Rove politics.

I was wondering if I balance a vote for HC in the GE by not providing her any cash or active campaigning, putting my money and efforts only towards specific, progressive Democratic House and Senate candidates.

(She sure is making a case for voting for McCain over her, though; if the SCOTUS weren't already so imbalanced, and McCain weren't a modern-day Gen. 'Buck' Turgidson.)

[Doctor_J]

18. Because Hil would rather McCain be prez than Obama

unfortunately.

[krkaufman]

20. I'm not entirely certain of that.

I think she just feels that she needs to do whatever is necessary *now* to take down her Democratic opponent, and will worry about McCain when she comes to that bridge. (similar to bigtree's comments)

[surfermaw]

23. Now come on didn't Obama suck up to the Reagan people..

I guess he didn't read up on how many people trying to get on disability died before they were considered by Medicare, during the Reagain Administration.

[rodeodance]

26. OP is FOOLISH—and LYING -has not been listening to her speeches last few weeks!*****

[IsItJustMe]

27. OP loved you. Have a nice day!

[rodeodance]

28. puts my Ignore--Rather than reading her speeches and admitting he/she LIED!!

[IsItJustMe]

29. Aww! Don't go away mad.

[rodeodance]

30. Have you read her speaches yet?--are you ready to admit you lied?

[rodeodance]

31. not yet?

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Why is it that Obama is the one that is taking on McCain and calling him out, while Hillary sucks up

McCain.

Hillary Supporters: Does this ever give you pause to wonder?

Obama is clearly the one that will take the fight to the Republicans, not Hillary.

[IsItJustMe]

32. My friend, You indeed use harsh and uncalled for rhetoric when you use the word LIE.

I have found through, life experience,that constructive dialog can not be had when one party is an ideologue and is not interested in the pursuit of truth.

As I stated before, Have a nice day!

[rodeodance]

35. Then stop LIEING and we can talk,

[sniffa]

33. He's a leader. She's not.

[rodeodance]

36. " She's a leader. he's not." I can play your game also