Hillary Has ZERO Chances For Victory. So Why Does Her Campaign Continue?

[Yavin4]

The Super Delegates are not going to take away victory from Obama, so she has virtually no chance to overtake him in the delegate count. Her big "win" in Ohio was wiped away last weekend by the delegate apportionment in Iowa.

Her continued presence in this campaign is costing the Democrats time and money. Two of the most precious resources in politics, More importantly, she is hurting Democrats down the ticket as well, for she is the reason why they will have trouble raising funds and getting their own campaigns off the ground. Campaign donations are not a bottomless pit.

Hillary is spoiling this most important campaign season because of her own enlarged ego. Our only hope to change the course of this current government is slipping away because she cannot stand to lose.

If the Democrats don't take the White House and build on their majorities in Congress, blame Hillary.

[high density]

1. Because the Super Delegates are too spineless to commit to Obama right now

and give him 2024 delegates. That seems to be the only thing that might make her stop.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

28. My guess is that Hillary has PA in the bag, (wink, wink) like Harlem NY (wink, wink)

... Our corporate controlled media will blame Hillary's "come back" on Obama's preacher-gate.

I can't believe for a minute that the people who stole the '00 and '04 elections would be willing to give up their power so easily.

The criminals who stole those elections don't care about political parties. They care about power and they'll do anything to keep it; even stack the deck with corporate puppets.

[leftofcool]

2. Why not blame her?

She's been blamed for everything else. I think she is used to it

[2rth2pwr]

3. If she has zero chance of winning, why don't you and Obama just

ignore her, sort of like McCain did to Huckabee?




Answer me!

[Mooney]

6. Because it's fun to make fun of her. n/t

[Yavin4]

7. You Cannot Ignore Her

She, and her ex-President husband, command major media attention and money which means that the Obama campaign cannot ignore her like McCain could with Huckabee.

Every day that she is in this race is another day we get closer to continuing the policies of the Bush admin. for another four years.

[wileedog]

37. Huckabee didn't go scorched earth on McCain

Heck, he's defended Obama more than Hillary has

[gabeana]

4. good analysis of this

http://dhinmi.dailykos.com/

[KingFlorez]

5. Anything can happen in politics

People have defied long odds time and time again in elections, so sometimes nothing is impossible.

[Yavin4]

9. That's Where You're Wrong. It Is Mathematically Impossible

for her to overtake Obama's lead in pledged delegates. You are deluding yourself because of what the media is telling you.

The truth is that the Super Delegates won't over turn Democratic primary voters because it would create an insurrection which would destroy the party as we know it.

[Bake]

21. See? Now there's your mistake.

"Pledged delegates." Obama doesn't have 2025, and the TRUTH is that NEITHER candidate can get to the magic number without the superdelegates. Your statement about the overturning primary voters is merely speculation.

Obama could crash and burn in the polls, and you can bet that if that happens, the supers go to Hillary and she's the nominee.

Bake

[Yavin4]

29. "Obama could crash and burn in the polls"

IOW, your strategy is to destroy him in the polls. Wow, there's a winner there.

[Bake]

35. Not my strategy at all.

Obama's done an excellent job of that himself, by not dealing proactively with the Wright/race issue. When you're on the defense, when you have to EXPLAIN, you LOSE.

Bake

[Just-plain-Kathy]

34. Don't you think it's strange that our corporate controlled media warned us weeks before...

...half the country had a chance to vote, that delegates -and maybe even superdelegates would be needed to call this race?

Our democracy is gone.

[lapfog_1]

8. She is now running for 2012

which will only happen if McCain wins 2008.

Witness the comment made by Bill Clinton today on MSNBC.

[Yavin4]

10. And She Will Lose in 2012. Ask Teddy Kennedy

about what happens to Democrats that spoil elections. They're ignored.

[lapfog_1]

14. Who else do we have in the wings?

It will be "Hillary's turn" in 2012 because Obama went down in flames...

Edwards? No, he has made two tries at the nomination.

Gore? I don't think so.

Richardson? Maybe, but the voters never really embraced him this time around.

Biden, Dodd? Nope and nope.

Kucinich? He will make another run at it, but his support will remain "fringe" because the MSM will never give him equal standing (oh look at the short little man with the funny ears!).

2012 is Hillary's last chance. That's what she is shooting for now.

So her job now (along with Bill's) is to make SURE Obama goes down in flames. Hence the remarks like today or a few short weeks ago when she endorsed McCain over Obama.

The Clintons are no longer Democrats.

[Yavin4]

18. Gov of Kansas Kathleen Sebelius

would be a top contender in 2012, and I'd love to hear the Hillbots scream sexism then. There's also Governor Janet Napolitano of AZ. There are a bunch of real contenders out there.

[lapfog_1]

24. I watched Kathleen give the Democratic response

to the SOTU. I wasn't all that impressed (and I'm a JayHawk).

Janet I haven't heard, but that would be interesting (AZ Gov against AZ Senator).

We'll see... but I believe that Hillary is running for 2012, that's why the scorched earth and everything in 2008. The only other explanation is that she wants to run as McCain's VP, but I'm pretty sure his base won't let that happen (too worried that he will die in office), not to mention that Joementum has his lips firmly attached to the spot that Hillary would seem to want to plant hers.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Ted Kennedy Only Ran Once

~

[Yavin4]

19. Because He Was Hated Within The Party For Spoiling Carter's Re-Election

Many Dem insiders hated him for challenging Carter in the 1980 Dem primaries, and felt that his challenge lead to Reagan's election.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. He Didn't Run In 84 Because He Concluded Chappaquiddick Would Sink Him In A Nat'l Election

The nomination wouldn't be useful...But the forty percent or so of the Dems who voted for him in 80 would have been there in 84...

And Ted Kennedy went into the Convention with a 600 delegate deficit and forced a fight on the floor to have all delegates released...

[Yavin4]

27. If He Was Afraid of Chappaquiddick in 1984

Then why in the hell did he run in 1980. That makes no sense.

Coming out of 1980, Kennedy had a lot of enemies in the Dem party, and Mondale was preparing to get some pay back on him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Because

Because he concluded that if Chappaquiddick was an issue in a Democratic primary contest it would be lethal in a general election...

The fact that Ted Kennedy plays such a prominent role in Democratic politics even today belies the fact that his campaign hurt him that much among fellow Democrats...

[PoliticalAmazon]

26. HA! She will not have financial or voter backers in 2012

This is just how it works....the longer a candidate goes in a primary, the less chance there is for them to find financial and voting support in the next presidential election, especially if the candidate is older and especially if the candidate puts their own election ahead of the party's best interests.

The longer she stays, in the less chance she has.

Besides, who will vote for her? She's dismissed everybody who hasn't voted for her as being irrelevant and not important. She's dissed other politicians who didn't bend and spread 'em for her.

Who is going to vote for her?

[lapfog_1]

36. She is betting that we all forgive and forget

after all, that is what they (her campaign) keep saying NOW should she somehow become the nominee... we will all fall in line and support her in the GE.

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. Like it's up to you.

[Yavin4]

13. I Agree. It's Not Up To Me

It's the will of the majority of Democratic primary voters and pledged delegates who have voted for Obama.

[RiverStone]

30. It should be up to the will of the electorate...

Lets hope so.

Your OP question has been asked by many, many people (myself included) - but until/if Hillary looks into the mirror and asks herself if she is helping or hurting the party - the dance will continue.

Probably until very shortly after the last primary, when the SD's will flock to the delegate and popular vote leader in short order - Obama!

Unless he pulls a major surprise win in PA, we are stuck with thing for 2.5 more months.

[Arkansas Granny]

12. We have no idea what the superdelegates are going to do until they commit to a candidate.

Until that is settled, she is perfectly within her rights to stay in the race and her supporters are perfectly within their rights to donate to her campaign. If this race wasn't so close, I'm sure that her supporters would have moved on to other candidates by now. Just let it play out to it's conclusion.

[Yavin4]

16. So, You're Hanging Your Hat On Backroom Deals With Party Insiders

That's why she's staying in this race? That's why you want her to stay in this race? You want the party hacks to negate an entire primary season?

Is that how you want to go after McCain in November with the majority of the party being completely disenfranchised by some party hacks because they had tea and cookies in Hillary's living room?

[Arkansas Granny]

31. The superdelegates were included in the nomination process by the DNC.

Their purpose is to insure that the person they feel is most able represent the Democratic party and to win the GE gets the nomination. They are not bound by the popular vote or number of pledged delegates. They can give their vote to any candidate they choose. Since they are elected officials and party officials, I doubt that their opinions will be swayed by tea and cookies in Hillary's living room.

I want to process to go forward toward it's conclusion. If the rules need to be changed it should be done before the next election cycle and not in the middle of this one.

[Arkansas Granny]

32. The superdelegates were included in the nomination process by the DNC.

Their purpose is to insure that the person they feel is most able represent the Democratic party and to win the GE gets the nomination. They are not bound by the popular vote or number of pledged delegates. They can give their vote to any candidate they choose. Since they are elected officials and party officials, I doubt that their opinions will be swayed by tea and cookies in Hillary's living room.

I want to process to go forward toward it's conclusion. If the rules need to be changed it should be done before the next election cycle and not in the middle of this one.

[Hepburn]

15. Ego?

Hers...his...both?? :shrug:

[olkaz]

20. It's the media, stupid.

(not calling you stupid, per se, just the phrase. anyway)

They NEED a horse race. A horse race means ratings. It means a topic to drone on and on about. It means more worthly investigative journalism on the most unrelated banal minutia of the campaign.

They will fight for Clinton until she finds a way back in it.

[asjr]

22. If Christopher Columbus had turned

around midstream and went home we wouldn't have to worry about trivia such as this.

[PoliticalAmazon]

23. Hillary WANTS to be president. She will not stop until she has destroyed everything in her path

I find it very telling that the DNC is doing nothing to stop this. It is becoming more and more clear that HRC is the DNC/DLC's hand-picked candidate. Like Kerry, they will destroy the people's choice (Howard Dean in 2004, Obama in 2008) to force their loser candidate onto the party members.

[Occam Bandage]

38. 2008 doesn't matter. 2012 is her firewall.