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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:56 PM
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CAN Clinton drop out?
I mean, is she constituionally able to drop out? (Her constitution, not our Constitution) I don't know that she's able to do so. She's in a political knife fight for everything she's ever wanted in the world. She feels it slipping away, and it doesn't seem to matter how hard she works or how hard she fights, it just keeps getting more and more unlikely that she can acheive her goal. Her opponent seems to sail on, even though the seas are far from smooth, and she just doesn't seem to be able to regain the pace. Now someone she probably thought of as a stalwart (Richardson) has turned away from her. So, how does she make the call?

Does she just wake up one morning and say, "Oh crap, I guess I'll drop out today."

Do her friends do an intervention?

Does she become a tragi-comic figure like some latter day political Quixote flogging her Rocinante long after the parade has passed her by?

If she really isn't going to make it, what's her exit strategy? I don't think she's got one, so she CAN'T quit.

That doesn't leave us in a very good place...
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:57 PM
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1. No Exit Strategy....... where have I heard that one before?
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:58 PM
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2. Psychologically, I doubt it
She's gonna lose ugly.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:01 PM
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3. It seriously is sad and I genuinely feel sorry for her... She was led to believe...
(by this MSM) that she would be the inevitable Democratic nominee, she was a shoe-in and now this... hmmm
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:02 PM
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4. She could "suspend" her campaign like Edwards.
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progetto Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 03:23 AM
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31. She should hang in there, but
enough with the McLame praise and the Obama trashing. It's not clear Hillary will support Obama in the general election. She's losing creditability.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:02 PM
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5. According to this, no, but she's running out of money, too:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:02 PM
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6. She can ease back
on the throttle. That is the most realistic and profitable thing for all.

However it may be psychologically even harder. No way is she going to put a bold face on any pullback or deescalation now. Everyone will know and the collapse will spread the long process of concession will be more drawn out. It is a HUGE campaign though and asking the long shot powerhouse to shoot it between the eyes is the least likely to succeed. She may have to take the slow painful bullet of showing the signs of admission. However, escalating past the point of no return was her campaign's choice. Everyone else was going to suffer. Now it has to brought back home and buried. The first signs of that will leave no one in doubt even IF it truly is a mere change in tactics.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:03 PM
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7. I was sort of thinking the same thing today and actually wondered
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 09:04 PM by blonndee
whether anyone has even spoken with her about it. I can only imagine how "unpleasant" such a conversation would be and how reluctant anyone close to her would be to dare broach the subject.

Once again, this little Cake ditty comes to mind.

...

As they speed through the finish the flags go down.
The fans get up and they get out of town.
The arena is empty except for one woman,
Still driving and striving as fast as she can.
The sun has gone down and the moon has come up,
And long ago somebody left with the cup.
But she's driving and striving and hugging the turns,
And thinking of something for which she still burns.

No trophy, no flowers, no flashbulbs, no line-
She's haunted by something she can not define.
Bowel shaking earthquakes, of doubt and remorse.
Assail her, impale her with monster truck force.
In her mind she's still driving; still making the grade.
She's hoping in time that her memory will fade.

She's going the distance...
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:12 PM
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12. That's exactly what I'm afraid of!!
Well expressed! If this board supported karma points I'd give you some.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:47 PM
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17. LOL. It was actually TexasObserver who said that about a month ago
in response to a Clinton quote, "I am prepared to go the distance."

I wonder where TO is these days?

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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:03 PM
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8. Depending on PA, she might be able to drop out then
She can't do it before then, unless there is a radical shift in the polls (but I don't think polls will deter her).
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:06 PM
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9. I don't think she knows how.
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:07 PM
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10. The intervention is overdue.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:09 PM
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11. I think she's doing this out of anger because she was expecting the party to line up behind her
and they didn't. This protracted campaign season is a part of her revenge to get back at the Democratic Party.
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:22 PM
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13. Number Three.
"Does she become a tragi-comic figure like some latter day political Quixote flogging her Rocinante long after the parade has passed her by?"

Right. That one.
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:25 PM
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14. All she has to say is
her internal polls show she has no chance of winning and Congratulate Obama on the great campaign and pledge her support to him. Of course, I have no clue how she will repay the money she owes...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:30 PM
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15. It's McCain vs Obama, so whether and when she drops out is a moot point
She can go out gracefully or try to destroy the Democratic Party, thus soiling the Clinton legacy. Don't worry, if she doesn't drop out after North Carolina, the superdelegates will make sure she is politically toothless by the Convention.

It's McCain getting his ass kicked by Obama in the election. That's the goal and that's all we need to focus on now.

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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:15 PM
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16. Think about this for a moment
If this is the kind of judgment she shows as a candidate, what can we expect from her as president. Sounds an awful lot like the current resident of the WH. He wanted to invade Iraq, regardless of the intelligence and the better judgment of rational professionals. The results. . . well, we all know how that's turned out.

She's taking the same sort of approach to her candidacy.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:57 PM
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18. You know who doesn't want her to drop out?
Us, the millions who support her. This mantra has become beyond tiresome. If Obama's fans can't handle it, too bad. She has as much right to remain in the race as the Anointed One.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:59 PM
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19. Of course she does. She has every right to stay in this race
and continue to wreck herself and to wreck out candidate. It's her right, no doubt.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:41 PM
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22. Which candidate, Obama?
Why should she step aside for him?
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 02:40 AM
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29. Of course you have that right...
just as Ralph Nader has the right to run again.

The absolute fact that I have the right to do something does not make it right that I do it.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:04 PM
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20. Is it the conversation with Hillary or with Bill?
I know some people say he doesn't really want her to win on a psychological level but I'm not buying that. I think he is the one who is less realistic about whats going on right now. He is the one who has to be convinced. Bill still thinks he is the most powerful Democrat in the country and he needs a reality check too.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:06 PM
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21. She needs help.
Mental health help.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:46 PM
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23. I Sort Of Feel Sorry For Her Predicament At Times...
Then I hear her (or one of her surrogates) say something and the revulsion returns.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:48 PM
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24. Right there with you. Tonight I was feeling kind of bad for her
and trying to empathize with what she might be going through and then I read about what Carville said about Bill Richardson and it just reminds me of what she and her campaign and her hypothetical presidency is all about.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:49 PM
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25. YES SHE CAN!
Sorry. I had to.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:54 PM
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27. Awesome slogan for Hillary's Primary Exit Campaign
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 02:42 AM
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30. it's "Yes, she will!
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:53 PM
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26. Nor should she. Stay till the last dog dies and that will be 6/3
hell, who knows, there might be the other shoe to drop on something about obama the whoremedia will not be able to prop his ass up on. Obama told a lie and the whoremedia are protecting him by turning it all about the race issues in america. I thought sure by days end on Tuesday the whoremedia would say this speech was way better then the one Jesus gave and that one was just a sermon on the mount.



Obama contradicts a year of denial

Until yesterday, Obama said the only thing controversial he knew about Rev. Wright was his stand on issues relating to Africa, abortion and gay marriage. …
His initial reaction to the initial ABC News broadcast of Rev. Wright’s sermons denouncing the U.S. was that he had never heard his pastor of 20 years make any comments that were anti-U.S. until the tape was played on air.
But yesterday, he told a different story. “Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes,” he said in his speech yesterday in Philadelphia.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:02 AM
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28. Even her top Adivsor said privately yesterday about Clinton only having a 10% Chance at winning
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