Only way to stop the "season" now is for superdelegates to endorse Obama (or Hillary get out)

[Hamlette]

for the sake of the party and the election, they should follow Richardson's lead.

[Eurobabe]

1. Agreed, Put the circular firing squad out of busines. n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

2. They are in a curious position. As long as there are still state contests, many are

waiting it out. Especially if they are from states who haven't voted yet.

But i expect next week we will see some follow through on Richardson's endorsement and some other Supers will also come on board.

I'd expect Jimmy Carter, and then some others perhaps.

[frogcycle]

3. I really don't think they should be paying attention to what "their" state does

they should vote their conscience. that is why they are there, not just to rubber-stamp their state's primary. You suggesting Kerry and Kennedy should vote for Clinton?

That said, I agree that they could and should put this thing out of its misery.

[John Q. Citizen]

4. No, I'm suggesting they don't want to appear to be overly concerned or hasty. I think

they will go with whoever wins the most pledged delegates. That's been the line forever.

And that looks to be Obama. But I think the pressure is going to increase on Hillary to do the right thing. Plus she has no money.

I also don't believe for a second that this is going to the convention. It will be over no later than a week after the last primaries on June 3rd. and hopefully a lot sooner.

[frogcycle]

9. that has NOT been "the line" forever

if that is all they are, then the entire concept is moot. They were created SPECIFICALLY to provide a "safety valve" in case "the people" do something not in the party's interest.

And despite all claims of personal grandiosity, just voting in a primary for the first time in one's life does NOT make one a mover and shaker in "the party."

"The party" is an entity with leaders, with self interest. It solicits votes, just as does the other party. The other party uses scams like supposedly opposing abortion to suck people in to give it their votes. It is now suffering from having invited masses of people who do not think in its self interest (capitalist oligarchy) to think they "belong" to it.

Like it or not, the SD's are NOT "bound" to anything. Certainly not to what their home state did. Else Kerry and Kennedy would be supporting Clinton.


As I have stated before, I think they should start acting like leaders, as Richardson, Kerry, and Kennedy have. And as Rendell has. Lurking to see which way the wind blows is not their role. On the other hand, if they are waiting to see which one fucks up teh most so they can support the other, I have to give them credit.

[John Q. Citizen]

10. I'm not arguing against your opinion that the supers should declare for the good of the party.

This is because I tend to agree with that.

What I'm saying is that the supers (though their leaders and individually) have all along said that they felt most supers would support the candidate with the most nationwide pledged delegates at the end of the race. From Pelosi to individual supers, that's what's been said most often. I think they wish the voting was over so they feel they can come out for Obama without radically swaying the total numbers before the state by state delegate selection process is done.

Now of course, some Supers have declared. Which has led to a rough parity in declared supers, although the momentum is all Obama. Here in MT we have one super delegate out of 8 who has declared, and he's for Obama. His statement was something to the effect of, 'I didn't get involved with politics so I could stand on the sidelines.' I like how that delegate thinks. But the rest of our slate is waiting until the people get a chance to vote on 6/3/08, or at least that's been their general comments about committing.

I can't blame them quite yet. I have a feeling that the Richardson endorsement is going to help create some movement though. I doubt it's being done in a vacuum. Instead I bet it's got a lot more to come with it. That was one main reasons Carvelle leveled the 'traitor' charge, in an attempt to scare others from doing the same thing and suffering the fate of being called out on national tv. My bet is that in most cases it won't work. For instance, I doubt that the Clintons scare Jimmy Carter. My feeling is if you got him, nows the time. It's the last leg of the pledged delegate race, we already have a sense as to where Pelosi is, and to where a lot of the un pledged supers are at in the sense that they all seem to be migrating to Obama when they declare. Something like 62 for Obama and less than 5 for Hill in the last month. That says a lot, because if Hill had them now would be when she would want to use them, to attempt to show viability.

So be patient. My guess is that people are working on this as we cruise the nets.

[frogcycle]

11. "forever" means different things to different people

to me that refers to since SD's came into being; for you I guess it is since this thing turned into a two-person race

:)

[John Q. Citizen]

12. I meant forever in terms of the current situation. My bet is after Nov, Sd 's will be

looked at and a lot of proposals will result. Whether and what will be passed by the local, state, and national central committees I can't begin to guess.

[LulaMay]

5. SHE is not just going to get out of HIS way, sit down, shut up, step aside. SHE has a lot of support

[Hamlette]

6. but she can't win

calling for a recount....I mean revote....didn't work. I know she has lots of support and I'm loath to make fun of her supporters like she did of Obama's supporters (that was the day I switched sides btw) but you have to weigh the damage she is doing against the possibility of winning and make a reality based decision.

Now would be a good time.

[MadBadger]

7. I think a firery endorsement by Gore will end this.

[Rex_Goodheart]

8. And be stuck with an unelectable Obama?

No thanks.

[Arkansas Granny]

13. I'm sure the superdelegates realize that their endorsement now would determine

the candidate. They must have their reasons for not doing so at this time. Why not let the process continue as prescribed by the rules of the DNC?