Obama runs a negative campaign while claiming to take the high road.

[rodeodance]

Its the meme I hear constantly here on DU!


http://www.adelphia.net/news/read.php?ps=1017&id=14492992&_LT=HOME_LARSDCCLM_UNEWS

Advisers to Both Fault Obama Camp
Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
The Associated Press
By DARLENE SUPERVILLE

WASHINGTON (AP) — Prominent supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama on Sunday both faulted Obama's campaign for allowing a retired general and backer of the Illinois senator to equate comments by Clinton's husband to McCarthyism.

"I don't believe President Clinton was implying that," said New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a former presidential candidate who endorsed Obama last week. …….

Asked whether Obama's campaign was being too negative in accusing former President Clinton of McCarthyism, Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a Clinton supporter, said, "Of course ... the Obama campaign tries to have it both ways," he said.

Rendell said Bill Clinton was saying what many people think, that the campaign should focus on the economy, health care and the candidates' experience, for example, and not on race and other distractions.

"And instead they launch this all-out attack trying to take an inference out of President Clinton's words that no fair person could take," Rendell said. "It's an example of the negativity that Governor Richardson is talking about.

"If they want to tone it down, don't accuse someone of McCarthyism," Rendell said.

Both governors commented on "Fox News Sunday."

In Charlotte, N.C., last Friday and speculating about a general election matchup pitting his wife against Republican John McCain, Bill Clinton told a group of veterans: "I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country. And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

Retired Gen. Merrill "Tony" McPeak, a co-chairman of Obama's campaign, took offense and accused Clinton of being divisive and trying to question Obama's patriotism. Standing with Obama at a campaign stop in southern Oregon, McPeak repeated Bill Clinton's comments for the audience, then said:


………

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Pff.

Bill Clinton calls Obama unamerican...

Obama supporter points out Clinton's resorting to McCarthyism...

Therefore Obama's running a negative campaign.

:rofl:

[SoFlaJet]

2. Let It Sink

funny how the article doesn't say nuthin' like the OP's title

[The Night Owl]

5. Thank you for the kick!

[rodeodance]

29. Yes, sweet of that poster

[babylonsister]

9. That happens frequently with this one. nt

[rodeodance]

27. Yes, I am one of those listed on the Obamafan McCathy style hit list.

[rodeodance]

18. I can say what I want in my subject line. This in NOT LBN

[Hugabear]

30. Why does your response not surprise me

"I can say what I want in my subject line."

Translated - I don't give a fuck what the article says, I'm going to say what I want regardless

[rodeodance]

34. I am so sorry that I do not meet up to your personal expectations.

[rodeodance]

19. "funny how the article doesn't say nuthin' like the OP's title" It is my assessment.

[rodeodance]

21. obamafans --are not all sheepies

[Name removed]

10. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. Nah, I want you people to feel involved.

That way I can see your reactions when Clinton drops out.

[rodeodance]

56. wink wink

[LVjinx]

135. *sigh* Another completely fabricated Clinton quote?

Where, oh where, did Cliton call Obama unAmerican? Let me guess, the same time he said he was just like Jesse Jackson or that a black president was a fairy tale. It bookends in there quite nicely with the other fake quotes.

[LaurenG]

3. I do think Senator Obama's campaign has had it's low road moments

but IIRC Senator Clinton's campaign is just making things up or are walking around trying to point out Senator Obama's flaws with their collective feet in their mouths. Can we trust her not to do that to us as Americans? Will she change?

[whatchamacallit]

4. look Obama sux look Obama sux look Obama sux look Obama sux look Obama sux look Obama sux look...

An endless stream of bore.:boring:

[rodeodance]

57. look Obama sux look Obama sux look Obama sux look Obama sux look Obama sux look Obama sux look..

[JoFerret]

137. You know...now you point it out

he does seem a bit of a patronizing pandering pol.

Actually - he is also one of two GREAT candidates. GObama. GoHillary.

[indimuse]

6. double K&R

For truth and fight!

[indimuse]

7. K!

&R!!!!!:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:

[rodeodance]

39. :-)

[ingac70]

8. I see you are following your spamming orders. n/t

[indimuse]

11. SPAM is MAPS to the TRUTH!

Something you should enlighten yourself with.

[rodeodance]

32. Obama folks have orders to let it sink

[GoldieAZ49]

12. He plays the victim and expects the sympathy vote

no sympathy for Obama here

[leftofcool]

17. None from me either

[rodeodance]

99. i do play the victim card a lot.

[Upton]

13. Didn't I see your name on a list somewhere?

[leftofcool]

15. ?

[Upton]

20. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5232718

[leftofcool]

26. A locked thread using copyrighted posts

from another forum? And this means what to me?

[rodeodance]

47. good, that slime post calling our DU members got locked

[Forkboy]

123. LOL

:rofl:

[GoldieAZ49]

16. a List, like a McCarthy hit list of people to be silenced?

my how democratic .... not!

[Upton]

22. Your words not mine

[rodeodance]

24. Yes, some Obama folk made of list of DU members --called them FREEPES

[leftofcool]

28. For what purpose?

threatening emails?

[rodeodance]

31. they don't like our posts on DU (such as the OP)

[mythyc]

23. Self-fulfiling prohecy... there's a video clip of it too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ6N5m8FpVg&feature=related

[ProSense]

25. Here's what a negative campaign looks like, Hillary's:

The Pinocchio Test

Attempts to cover for Hillary are showing that she intentionally misstated her positions

The backstabbers cry betrayal

Obama "did a much better job paying his bills." Debt: $625K vs. Hillary's $13.7 million (w/loan)

Hillary's campaign wants to have a transparency battle?

Delegate, popular vote scenarios just got a lot worse for Hillary

Hillary's shame: embracing McCain

Clinton on Ferraro, Bill (and a late, off the mark non-apology) (the media created the phony Wright controversy to cover up this)

Hillary's "scorched earth" strategy gets her nowhere. Obama widens the margin

Drug dealer, fairy tale, imaginary hip black friend, gang bang, cult, shuck-and-jive, Hispanics don't vote for black people, Obama is Somalian, Obama meets with former terrorists, all from Hillary's campaign and surrogates.

The Slow-Motion Implosion of Hillary Clinton’s Campaign: It Took a Village

"Clinton Lies About Plagiarism Attack," and "plagiarizes" John Kerry

"Hillary Clinton is failing the test as a manager"

Hillary should have fired Mark Penn for consistently being wrong

How Hillary's campaign managed itself into a ditch—and how it might get itself out (updated)

"Clinton aides and donors say the candidate herself never expected Obama to be so competitive"

Bill Clinton, the 'mea culpa tour'



One of the worst primary campaigns.



edited to delete extra word

[Quixote1818]

35. Thanks you. nt

[Cheap_Trick]

her campaign is circling the bowl

one more flush and the little turds will be gone. I don't know if they make an air freshener strong enough to get rid of their stink.

[barb162]

153. All I have to do is read the first one. Pinnochio Obama needs a new cord of wood

for all of the tall tales he tells.

[Texas Hill Country]

33. it is a friggin joke isnt it?

[rodeodance]

36. NO

[Sulawesi]

37. Go back to "DUmp" and welcome to ignored...

[rodeodance]

38. Personal attacks against DU members are not welcome either.

Sulawesi (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Mar-24-08 11:04 AM
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37. Go back to "DUmp" and welcome to ignored...

[Name removed]

148. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[JoFerret]

152. Please return to your uniting and reaching out

...your current welcome wagon is out of juice.

[The_Casual_Observer]

40. Let it sink! Welcome to ignore!

(kick)

[rodeodance]

49. So, The Obamafolk got their marching orders from the leaders on DU.

[The_Casual_Observer]

51. Let it Sink!

(Kick)

[rodeodance]

53. ha ha

[LizW]

41. K

[rodeodance]

127. :-)

[rocktivity]

42. Rocknation Faults AdelphiaNet Camp for Piss-Poor Journalism

Never mind the original poster's headline--the STORY'S original headline doesn't have anything to do with the story, either! How come the reporter didn't notice that the Obama camp's negativity was IN RESPONSE to the Clinton camp's--because then the story would have no reason for being?

...Bill Clinton told a group of veterans: "I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country"...Retired Gen. Merrill "Tony" McPeak, a co-chairman of Obama's campaign, took offense and accused Clinton of being divisive and trying to question Obama's patriotism.

Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a Clinton supporter...said Bill Clinton was saying what many people think..."And...they launch this all-out attack trying to take an inference out of President Clinton's words that no fair person could take..."
Oh, so I should have inferred that it was HILLARY who Bill was accusing of being unpatriotic!

...New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a former presidential candidate who endorsed Obama last week...(said) "(T)he campaign has gotten too negative — too many personal attacks, too much negativity that is not resounding with the public."
How does that translate into "Supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama BOTH faulted Obama's campaign...?" If I may "take an inference" as a "fair person," I believe Richardson is faulting BOTH camps.

"If they want to tone it down, don't accuse someone of McCarthyism," Rendell said.
And if THEY don't want be accused of McCarthyism, they shouldn't accuse someone of not loving their country!


:boring:
rocknation

[rodeodance]

46. too bad

[fedupinBushcountry]

43. Yawn

:boring:

[rodeodance]

52. Here is a pillow

fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Mar-24-08 11:16 AM
Response to Original message
43. Yawn

:boring:

[fedupinBushcountry]

63. Do you not know how

to copy and paste? sheesh! The "pillow" is so why Hillary is not my choice.

[rodeodance]

70. do you want t blankie?

[fedupinBushcountry]

83. Grow up n/t

[rodeodance]

98. gee you yawned, and out of the kindness of my heart, I offered you a

pillow, and blanket--and then you do not even say thank you.

You hurt my feelings

[JTFrog]

149. See how well this works:

rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Mar-24-08 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #43
52. I like to fart in the bathtub.

[undeterred]

44. ...

[rodeodance]

54. chuckle

[GoldieAZ49]

109. HObama???

[SeaLyons]

45. K&R

[rodeodance]

55. :-)

[SeaLyons]

84. ..

:thumbsup:

[desi]

48. Has Gen. McPeak been fired yet?

...and if no, why not?

K&R

[rodeodance]

50. He is "a co-chairman of Obama's campaign" !!--not that I know of

[ProSense]

62. Bill is despicable and a hypocrite so don't hold your breathe

Leading Obama Adviser Attacks Ex-President for Remarks

<...>

In response to reporters in Oregon on Friday, General McPeak compared the former president to Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, who aggressively pursued those he believed to be communists in the 1950s. “I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I’ve had enough of it,” General McPeak said.

The bitter exchange between the surrogates for Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama highlighted the rising tensions between the two Democratic presidential candidates in their prolonged fight for the party’s nomination.

“To liken these comments to McCarthyism is absurd,” said Phil Singer, a Clinton campaign spokesman. He said General McPeak was misinterpreting the remarks, suggesting it was an intentional effort to divert attention from a controversy involving inflammatory statements by Mr. Obama’s former pastor.

Never mind the NYT's biased headline: "attacks"?

Singer is continuing to push the phony smear against Wright.

CLINTON: Ross gave a good answer but I've got to respond directly to Mr. Bush. You have questioned my patriotism.

BUSH: (Inaudible).

CLINTON: You even brought some right-wing congressman into the White House to plot how to attack me for going to Russia in 1969-70, when over 50,000 other Americans did. Now, I honor your service in World War II, I honor Mr. Perot's service in uniform and the service of every man and woman who ever served, including Admiral Crowe, who was your Chairman of the joint Chiefs and who's supporting me. But when Joe McCarthy went around this country attacking people's patriotism he was wrong. He was wrong. And a senator from Connecticut stood up to him named Prescott Bush. Your father was right to stand up to Joe McCarthy, you were wrong to attack my patriotism. I was opposed to the war but I loved my country and we need a president who will bring this country together, not divide it. We've had enough division. I want to lead a unified country.

link

Bill 1992, meet Bill 2008!

Not only did Bill question Obama's patriotism, he like Hilary also despicably lavished praise on McCain in the video.

He knew exactly what he was implying!

Obama Campaign Attacks Clinton’s Ties to Lobbyists, Defends McPeak

Campaign topper Plouffe says Clinton has been “wallowing” in support from lobbyists during campaign, says she’s gotten $900,000 in contributions.

Also says Obama probably wouldn’t have used same words as supporter Gen. McPeak, but thinks general had a “fair reading” of B. Clinton’s quote. Says questioning people’s patriotism has “no place.”

Listen to audio of full call here.

more

[rodeodance]

66. YOU are so confused (poster said nothing of a guy named Bill)

[ProSense]

69. Do you mean Hillary's husband? n/t

[rodeodance]

72. "Bill is despicable and a hypocrite..."-YOU are looking FOOLISH -since it is your post

[ProSense]

87. That doesn't make any sense. Bill is clearly a hypocrite and he's clear losing credibility. n/t

[rodeodance]

93. It was the Co-Chair of the Obama camp who was a hypocrite and lost credibility--got that.

[ProSense]

96. Uncomfortable truths that divided the party, and here Bill and Hillary doing it again.

What's their excuse this time?

[rodeodance]

101. You are a good Rovian who smears Hillary --and Bill. bye bye

[ProSense]

106. Here:

this is not a campaign to be proud of

[rodeodance]

117. HERE: "Advisers to Both Fault Obama Camp"---suck on that TRUTH

[ProSense]

119. Pathetic. Advisers? Richardson? He also believes Hillary is running a "gutter" campaign and should

drop out! "suck on that TRUTH"

[rodeodance]

131. you are boring me.

[LVjinx]

136. Richardson wanted to be Hillary's VP. Of course he jumped ship.

You don't remember the debates when he criticized Obama for being too hostile to her? How quickly we forget, when we want to.

[fedupinBushcountry]

110. Truth hurts

no matter how many names you throw and you cannot handle it.

[anamandujano]

78. They can't wake the dinosaur up to tell him. He needs his naps.

Talk about change and the future. :eyes:

[totodeinhere]

58. This is a good example of disingenuous comments made by HRC supporters.

One person, Gen. McPeak, makes an unfortunate comment, and suddenly the whole Obama campaign has gone negative. Wasn't it HRC herself who said that both campaigns cannot control everything said by their vociferous supporters?

To accuse the whole Obama campaign of negativity based upon the comments of one person, and then to ignore the entire "kitchen sink" strategy of the Clinton campaign which has thrown one negative barb after another at Obama, is the height of hypocrisy.

Then we have Carville calling Richardson a "Judas." If that's not negative, then I'd like to know what is, but you don't even mention that. This shows how one sided your argument is. Yes, Carville is only one man too, but if you are going to cherry pick one comment from an Obama supporter then I can do the same thing about a Clinton supporter.

[rodeodance]

64. Not at all.

[totodeinhere]

82. Why not at all?

Just saying that doesn't make it so. What about Carville's negative comments? Is it OK for Clinton supporters but not Obama supporters?

[rodeodance]

85. obama folk say all the time about the clinton camp. Guess not so by your "logic"

Just saying that doesn't make it so. What about Carville's negative comments? Is it OK for Clinton supporters but not Obama supporters?.................

[totodeinhere]

100. So I guess it is OK for Clinton supporters to go negative but not O supporters.

I don't deny that some O supporters have been negative, but to criticize only them for that while giving HRC supporters a free pass for the same thing is wrong.

[rodeodance]

103. Obamafolks started negitive. Now you are whining. too bad!

[Name removed]

113. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[rodeodance]

118. "Advisers to Both Fault Obama Camp" looky at the Headline!!

[LSK]

121. Richardson: Clinton running gutter campaign

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5222805&mesg_id=5222805

But I guess hes a cult member too.

[barb162]

155. Obama has run a terribly divisive and negative campaign.

All the while pretending he is the Transcendental One.

[DemGa]

59. Yes they do N/T

[backscatter712]

60. *plonk*

[rodeodance]

67. another Obamafolk taking marching orders form 'leaders" of BO folk here on DU

[DemGa]

71. Indeed, lockstep authoritarians n/t

[rodeodance]

75. but i see not all of them are sheepies

[DemGa]

81. They are attempting to retain autonomy -- they need to drink more deeply --nt

[rodeodance]

86. chuckle

[elixir]

61. K&R. Well done, Rodeo. Oh, Elixir here. I changed my name for a while, just trying it on for size.

[rodeodance]

65. you are still the same :-) Thanks

[SeaLyons]

68. REC

:kick:

[Evergreen Emerald]

73. Obama's campaign has been dirty from the start.

The media helps him, and that is why he gets away with it--just like they helped Bush.

I heard the Clinton quote on MTP and could not believe that everyone was suggesting it was a slam against Obama. Of Course the MTP commentators were mimicking the Obama campaign.

[DemGa]

76. I couldn't believe it either

When they pulled the race card on Clinton -- began repeating it as "fact." And shamelessly profiting from right-wing attacks of the nineties.

Some nasty stuff this man Obama brings along with him.

[rodeodance]

77. And in lockstop fashion Obama folk spread the smear here to DU

[marshall]

74. After Hillary has shit all over him, of course he's going to stink a little

I'm sure Hillary would prefer an opponent who just rolls over and plays dead so that La Clinton can march her way to the White House. But it ain't happenin'.

[rodeodance]

80. Hillary would prefer an opponent whose Co-Chair does not do McCarthy smears

.......

I'm sure Hillary would prefer an opponent who just rolls over and plays dead so that La Clinton can march her way to the White House. But it ain't happenin'.

[kentuck]

79. Yep. He has broken his fist on his opponent's nose...

He should give up. :-)

[rodeodance]

88. "He should give up"---if he wants to. I will not DEMAND that he do so.

ep. He has broken his fist on his opponent's nose...

He should give up. :-)
http://journals.democraticundergroun

[PoliticalAmazon]

89. Another example of Hillary Bush campaign tactics

I just posted about this particular Bush Jr dirty tactic that Hillary Clinton has embraced. In that case, the tactic was calling for Obama to leave the race when, obviously, since he is the winner and has the momentum, it is Hillary Clinton who should leave the race.

This is the way this particular tactic works: Bush Jr/Clinton campaign would accuse the Gore or Kerry/Obama campaign of doing something that the Bush Jr/Clinton campaign is actually guilty of doing (but we just haven't found out yet) but Gore or Kerry/Obama is not guilty of doing.

The tactic in this folder is applied to the accusation of Clinton and their minions that Obama is "negative" when, in fact, it his HRC who has been negative for months. Carville's crack about Judas is just another example of the filth spewing from the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Hillary Clinton voted for Bush's most heinous policies. She sent American jobs to India. She has ignored the pleas from the very people who put her into office and instead did the bidding of the neocons in Congress.

And Hillary Clinton uses Bush/Rove tactics in the campaign. This latter is a slap in the face to Democratic Party voters who hated it when Bush/Rove did it. Either she is clueless about this, or doesn't care because, damn it, "HILLARY WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT!"

So if you want four more years of Bush Jr, be sure to vote for Hillary Clinton. Not only will you get Bush Jr policies and secrecy, but you'll also have the added shame that it is a Democrat who is doing it.

[Maribelle]

92. 'Senator Obama, where is your sense of decency?'

Leave it to Barack Obama, in a further sign that his campaign realizes they are in deep trouble, to unleash the ghost of Joseph McCarthy, a red-baiting Republican who smeared honest Americans by accusing them of being communists. As a side note, does anyone remember who worked for McCarthy besides Roy Cohn? Yep, Robert F. Kennedy. So, since Obama has been compared to RFK are we to assume that, like RFK, he is the one who would work with someone like McCarthy in order to further his political career? Just asking.


http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/23/senator-obama-have-you-no-decency/

[rodeodance]

104. BO co advisior went over the line and got called on it. Simple as that.

[Maribelle]

90. 'OBAMA IS NERVOUS. He can’t take it that Clinton won’t lie down for him. '

He is used to the BRUTE FORCE of Chicago politics mollifying his opponents.

But NOT THIS LADY. And NOT HER SUPPORTERS.




:bounce:

Obama Goes Nuclear: Can’t Take the Heat

By SusanUnPC

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/24/obama-goes-nuclear-cant-take-the-heat/

[Auntie Bush]

94. Obama is really Turd Blossom ll...not much difference from TB#1.

[cali]

95. hill is really Turd Blossom ll...not much difference from TB#1.

[Maribelle]

97. This Doesn’t Help

Barack Obama declares that Reverend Wright does not preside over a “crackpot church” and that had Obama personally heard “the most offensive remarks that had come up . . . we probably would have a more intense conversation.” Bluntly, the issue is not whether the church is “crackpot,” but whether the stated positions of its preacher are. And if so, why at worst would these “probably” would have provoked only an “intense conversation”?

Obama seems to be an intelligent and decent person. Yet when he says this sort of thing, you wonder what in heaven’s name is wrong with him. What would it have taken for Obama to leave Wright’s church? Or speak out publicly against these statements? It is growing painfully obvious that Obama is drawing some distinction, which he doesn’t want to or can’t possibly explain, between “controversial” statements which he was familiar with (and sat through) and these “most offensive” comments. Isn’t it time to come clean about what that distinction is and what he did hear so we can assess what type of comments he thinks don’t even warrant “an intense conversation”?


http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/3044

[jbnow]

146. What in heavens name is wrong

with people who act like hearing a few snips repeated over and over represent decades of sermons?

I am glad Obama said more in defense of the church and hope that we will be hearing more from many. Does the media think him saying it isn't a crackpot church is a controversial thing to say? Good, let them investigate this church thoroughly.
The clips the media repeated did sound racist and anti-American. Kudos to them for a gotcha on Obama. They demeaned the life work of a Pastor. The HistoryMakers describe some of Rev. Dr. Wright's history here including his 3 Presidential Commendations.

They demeaned a church that was one of the only ones that refused to move to the suburbs, that has an amazing number of outreach programs and trashed a congregation that worship and serve there. They get threats and hate mail, the divinity school set to honor Rev Wright had to move the location for security reasons due to threats and they handily trashed a candidate as someone who listens to hate speech- all on the basis of a few minutes of words they found in hours of sermons. Hate? Racist?

The problem has never been Wright nor Obama listening to Wright nor the church...
It is the media intentionally distorting and misrepresenting knowing they will fuel hate and widen divisions.

"America's Chickens are coming home to roost" We all saw that rant that we kept hearing "that was just days after 9/11" and "oh my God he was saying they deserved to die" and horrors.
The clip is from this sermon
Wright talks about how he was caught far from home with no flights and wondering about what our response should be after reading a horrible verse in a psalm about bashing the heads of children of your enemies and he heard Ambassador Edward Peck,Former Chief of Mission in Iraq (on Fox news ironically) and Ambassador Peck said it was "America's Chickens are coming home to roost"
Then after his rant we all heard he points out

The ambassador said that the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have, but they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them, and we need to come to grips with that.

He talks about the horror of what happened...the issue of violence begetting violence and how each of us need to look at our own relationship with God. It's still got those words in it that offend but it sure isn't what was presented.
His sermons are not offensive unless you work to excerpt a few lines from a few sermons and play them constantly.

The full text of Jeremiah Wright's "Audacity To Hope" sermon in 1990 is here:
That's the speech Obama got book title from and you understand why TV pundits mention that in hushed tones. Yes, how horrid for Obama to pretend to be a person of unity when he can be inspired bt a sermon that says things as bad as:

"The real lesson Hannah gives us from this chapter—the most important word God would have us hear—is how to hope when the love of God is not plainly evident. It's easy to hope when there are evidences all around of how good God is. But to have the audacity to hope when that love is not evident—you don't know where that somewhere is that my grandmother sang about, or if there will ever be that brighter day—that is a true test of a Hannah-type faith. To take the one string you have left and to have the audacity to hope—make music and praise God on and with whatever it is you've got left, even though you can't see what God is going to do"

and end with words as hateful as

"And that's why I say to you, hope is what saves us. Keep on hoping; keep on praying. God does hear and answer prayer"

A reporter on a Sunday show said that most reporters he knew had been poring through every speech and haven't been able to find more similar comments though certainly there will be a few in the great number to go through. It made me wonder why they don't feel a responsibility to report on what they have heard after destroying the reputation of the man and his whole church, let alone a presidential candidate. They are looking for things to attack with only and not simply the truth, any balance?
On almost every show thus week someone on the panel had even been to the church or knew someone close to them that did that said the clips did not represent him, the hosts seemed surprised. One said her brother reports that they are more conservative than most churches, focusing on self responsibility and family. Some said a lot more should come out about the church because the impression given was so far off.

I understand the truth would spoil the fun of being able to make cutting, false comments-but Truth is a good thing for heaven's sake?

[Auntie Bush]

129. Copy-Cat!

[plantwomyn]

91. Come on People!

I do not reply or post on an OP I do not check out. I actually watched as much of the speech that was available online.
If the repugs haven't taught us to educate ourselves before we vote yea or nay on something I don't know what will.

I read an OP based on this "McCarthyism" crap, and asked if anyone had actually seen the speech. Crickets.
I don't know if it's that I'm just on all of their ignore lists or if they're just refusing to answer any questions.
I've posted rebuttals of many statements and again, Crickets! None of my rebuttals have received a reply.

This is no longer a discussion board.
I say this because of the "let it sink" and "Ignore" campaigns.
Sen. Obama's supporters post an OP and the thread becomes a "yes we can" fest. Anyone who rebuts the OP gets ignored either by button or by LOL smileys.
There is no longer debate on this board. It has become more like a celebrity rag. Defamation, name calling, Photo Shopped pics and a total lack of respect for the opinion OR feelings of "others".
There are many posts that state that supporters of Sen. Obama can barely wait until they can start hitting the ALERT button instead of the IGNORE button. So the approximately 48% of Democrats on this board who do not or did not support Sen. Obama will not be welcome. And, as so many of us here believe, DU is a microcosm of the Party, that 48% will be ALERTED and IGNORED by the Democratic Nominee and the PARTY too.

I wonder what will happen to those of us who do not support Sen. Obama in the primary. It bothers me that the Democratic Party has followed the repugs lead campaign toward a 51% solution.

So when and IF Sen. Obama becomes the Democratic nominee for POTUS, this board becomes irrelivent to the Democratic Party.
IMHO we do not need cheerleaders. We need thoughtful cogent arguments in support of our candidate and from what I have seen on DU lately, that is no longer important.
We have become what we so abhor about the repugs, flag waving, rabidly blind followers of a candidate who WE do not feel should be held responsible to US for the answers to important questions.
Being a member of more than one minority, it disheartens me to see MY party turn it's back on me so thoroughly. I understand that DU isn't THE PARTY, but it WAS a place were divergent positions within the party WERE respected.
NO MORE!

I find these quotes poignant.
"The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society." --Thomas Jefferson
" know too well the texture of the human mind, and the slipperiness of human reason, to consider differences of opinion otherwise than differences of form or feature. Integrity of views more than their soundness, is the basis of esteem." --Thomas Jefferson
And my favorite...
"The voice of the majority is no proof of justice." – Johann von Schiller

[Raffi Ella]

102. K&R

ObamaCo. is dirty through and through.

Thank the stars we have a truly fierce Democrat in Hillary Clinton who knows what's at stake and is not willing to back down or take such abuses lying down;in her I see someone that can take this dirty campaign from ObamaCo. and turn it into a general election win.


GO HILLARY.Take Obama DOWN.

[SeaLyons]

105. K

[Asia Expat]

107. K&R

[susankh4]

108. Yes he can

bamboozle and hoodwink with the worst of 'em.

I ain't buyin'. And that should concern the Dems greatly. Cuz if a liberal, college educated, life-long Dem, in a large swing state ain't buyin the lies... who exactly are they pandering to? Who is gonna support Obama in the GE? Here in the swing states?

[RedShoesBlueState]

111. Kick

I am more convinced every day that Obama cannot win in the Fall, and I am redoubling my efforts on behalf of Senator Clinton in hopes that the party leadership will come to its senses finally and see what a disaster Obama's candidacy would be.

[Raffi Ella]

116. Hi

and welcome-your efforts are greatly appreciated.Your view is shared by many here,even though our presence is not as large as Obama's supporter's is and our voices are often lost in the shouting match,we are here and we are fighting for her,for Us,for Our Future and the Future of America and the world at large.

Again,Welcome! :patriot:

[nonconformist]

112. K & R nt

[Lannigan]

114. K&R - nt

[ElsewheresDaughter]

115. ah the do as I say not as I do O candidate

[rodeodance]

120. Bingo

[zabet]

122. K and R!

:patriot:

[SeaLyons]

124. K&R

[ecstatic]

125. "Since when do Democrats attack other Democrats??"

SHAME ON YOU, BARACK OBAMA!!

Quick Mark, get that Muslim photo of Obama circulating!

[rodeodance]

126. "SHAME ON YOU, BARACK OBAMA!!"

[anonymous171]

128. Hillary supporters obviously haven't been paying attention for the last month.

It's called the "kitchen sink" strategy.

[rodeodance]

132. Too bad BO has so much stinking garbage in his kitchen sink

[Raffi Ella]

134. EXACTLY.

I thank my lucky stars she threw the "sink" at him - I WANT TO WIN the WhiteHouse this time. :kick:

[TLM]

140. Hypocritical crap...

Hill admit to throwing the kitchen sink at Obama, and you hill supporters cry that it is a great move, political cunning at it's best and you are proud to have someone like her representing you with her attacks and snide snarky comments.


Yet if someone connected to the obama campaign dares to say that hill is throwing the kitchen sink at obama, you cry foul that it is damn dirty slander and dirty campaigning for them to mention what hill has openly admitted she's doing.


Your idea of Obama's negative campaigning is him saying, "hillary is attacking me."

Very very hypocritical.... and it is that type of two faced BS that is why Hillary is losing.

[bigtree]

130. Great Post!!

K&R!! :kick:

[txaslftist]

133. Is Obama's camp sniping at Hillary? Did she have to duck?

Or is this just more stuff she made up?

[TLM]

138. So let me get this straight....

Clinton infers that obama is unamerican or does not love America... and that's fine.

But calling that type of snide attack on Obama's patriotism out for what it is... that's over the line?


"Both governors commented on "Fox News Sunday.""

Yep.... pretty much says it all.

[Clintonista2]

139. Let it rise!

[JoFerret]

141. And he can bugger off patronizing gays too

.

[guruoo]

142. K&R

[dpbrown]

143. You racist bastards!

:sarcasm:

[bluedawg12]

144. rodeodance you rock!

[Kurovski]

145. Damn that Obama asshole!

I'm going to be furious as I cast my ballot for him!

[rucky]

147. Still waiting for Bill Clinton's apology...

for his insinuation, that seems a bit McCarthyesque, IMO.

[D23MIURG23]

150. Its 3am and you are deep in denial...

[PetraPooh]

151. The only times I've heard Obama make negative comments were in self-defense.

[berni_mccoy]

154. rodeadance spews lies while claiming to be honest.