Isn't Hillary the real Judas not Bill Richardson?

[Araxen]

She sold out her African-American base for a chance at the POTUS. Bill Richardson just followed what he believed in. Hillary sold them out as soon as her camp figured out it might help her to win.

[SoFlaJet]

1. we're really trying to NOT be like them Arax

THEY are the desperate ones-doesn't mean we should have to be

[Dogmudgeon]

2. "She sold out her African-American base for a chance at the POTUS."

How did she do that? By having the gall to run for president when Obama wanted to?

:shrug:

--p!

[Araxen]

3. the remarks before SC, trying pit races against each other.

Do I need to repeat them all?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5234618

[bellasgrams]

6. I have never, ever heard either Clinton say anything derogatory

about the black race or any race. That would be absolutely insane for any politician to do. You know that. BO and his camp came up with that and all the race baiting thinking he could fool some retards when he started all his race crap. People who have lived and watched the Clintons all these years know the background of Clinton from when he was a small boy growing up in Ark, going to collage, being Gov and then President. Suddenly BO enters the picture and all of a sudden Bill whom the black community called their first black pres. has turned into a monster. No way. It's more of BO's dirty politics. He thinks he can't win without smearing the Clintons, he will find out he can't win by smearing them.

[northzax]

9. no, you don't understand

Hillary Clinton is responsible for the words of anyone she has ever met, at any time. Barack Obama, however, isn't even responsible for his own (ain't that right, Canada?) It's cause Hillary is an evil bitch who probably tears the beating hearts out of cute little puppies and kittens, while laughing maniacally.

sheesh, don't you get any memos at all?

[Dogmudgeon]

8. Bill's remark in SC was racist?

Yes, by all means, repeat them all -- in the context of the non-stop defense of Obama from Rev. Wright's lunacy, on the grounds that guilt by association is unfair.

Repeating something over and over and over and over and over doesn't make it true.

--p!

[TheWraith]

5. The Clinton camp is playing to rural white racists to try and win PA.

Also, dismissing the importance of any state with a substantial black population, since it "doesn't count."

[Mags]

7. If BO can't untify the Democrats, how can he untify the Country?

[northzax]

10. it's not about the Democrats

the traditional Democratic constituencies aren't important, because many don't see the halo. Obama doesn't need working class liberals, other, more educated people, will tell them what's best for them.

[Mags]

11. I get it now. I have ask this question at least 3 times on this board today.

Not one BO person has responded with an answer, just trash talk.

[Araxen]

17. Obama is actually working while campaigning and helping the country

Obama has gotten the Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation signed into law and is currently working on with Senator Kerry on the Fair Share Act of 2008 that will close the loophole that recently has allowed the defense contractor KBR avoid paying taxes by almost $100 million a year.

What has Hillary done?

[northzax]

24. I will point out again

that Lugar-Obama was passed in December of 2006 and signed on January 11, 2007. a full year before Iowa.

by the way, the Obama Press Release is right here Senator Obama declared the founding of his Presidential Exploratory Committee on January 17, 2007 I trust they have the right date. and yes, I will post this everytime you claim Lugar-Obama is evidence that he is working in the Senate while campaigning.

[Araxen]

12. You can't even spell unify right.

It shows your IQ is too low to see Hillary is the one tearing the dems and the country apart.

[Mags]

22. seems like someone like you that is superior to the likes of me figured out what I meant. But you

and yours still can't give an answer. There is certainly no unity in the Dem. party. Just how can he bring us all together?

[Dogmudgeon]

25. I have yet to see either

1. "(D)ismissing the importance of any state with a substantial black population" -- Philadelphia mayor Michael Nutter is campaigning for Hillary. Funnily enough, the Philly Black community still loves Hillary, too, though at least 80% are expected to vote for Obama. It's been a civil, happy campaign for both sides.

2. "(P)laying to rural white racists" -- My cousin Kelly lives out in the boondocks north of Quakertown. She tells me that there's a lot of Democrats up there. I also went to see a doctor north of already-rural Doylestown last week and saw plenty of Clinton AND Obama yard signs.

How is Hillary playing to the rural white racists? By opposing Obama for the nomination?

I know that Team Obama really really really wants him to win. But spreading malicious gossip about his rival won't help. Although there are fewer big differences between the two candidates than we normally get, the differences that do exist are still well worth debating. They should comprise the core of the contest.

And just so you know where I stand, if BHO wins the nomination, I'll happily work my ass off to put him in the White House the same way I would for Hillary.

--p!

[endarkenment]

4. Nobody is a Judas - it is just politics.

Try to go positive instead.

[mathewsleep]

13. even judus wasn't a judus.

[northzax]

15. not for a personality candidate

people love Obama, not neccesarily his voting record (basically identical to Clinton's) or his effective work in the Senate (don't ask about the oversight committee on Afghanistan) or his health care plan, or his taxation plan, or his NAFTA plan, or basically ANY plan. they love him, and are loyal to HIM. therefore not being loyal to him is traitorous, not politics, but a personal betrayal. it's the major problem with personality candidates.

[Araxen]

16. What has Clinton done since campaigning in the Primaries?

Obama has gotten the Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation signed into law and is currently working on with Senator Kerry on the Fair Share Act of 2008 that will close the loophole that recently has allowed the defense contractor KBR avoid paying taxes by almost $100 million a year.

[northzax]

23. so you are going with a rewrite of Nunn-Lugar?

a nice bipartisan bill that President Bush was very happy to sign and endorsed? ok. the one that was signed into law in January of 2007? that's since campaigning in the primaries? When was the last meeting of the Senate Foreign Relations sub-committee on Near Eastern Affairs? you know, the one with oversight over that little war we have going on in Afghanistan?

that follows nicely with his first vote in the Senate, to block interest rate caps for short term loans. thank god Check n Go can still offer 300% loans, huh?

[karynnj]

26. The last hearing of the subcommittee on Near eastern Asia

was in late January - and it was led by its chairman, Senator Kerry, who recently was in Afghanistan with Senators Biden and Hagel. This is not Obama's sub-committee and I'm sure that Senator Kerry is doing his job here. (There were 2 full committee hearings as well)

Obama voted against the entire bankruptcy bill. Many Senators were concerned that the way that amendment was written it could have eliminated lower state caps on loans - effectively putting the limit at 30%. HRC voted FOR a similar banruptcy bill in 2001 - which is worse.

[northzax]

27. which is why the Republicans voted against it

and the Democrats voted for it? ok.

and I apologize, that was his fifth vote, his first was to vote against a resolution questioning the Ohio electoral college vote.

and I apologize for miswriting the committee, Obama is of course the Chair of the Subcommittee on European Affairs. Europe, for instance, includes such places as Russia (thank goodness the Senate isn't interested in what "look deep into my eyes" Putin is up to, or why the UK just announced a moratorium on the 'special relationship' with the US, or any sort of, say, missile defense system in Easter Europe or proliferation problems.)

[onenote]

14. enough!

As an Obama supporter, let me stress to you that this sort of bullshit post isn't helping.

[DemzRock]

18. Nope n/t

[bigtree]

19. she didn't sell me out at all. Thanks for speaking for me though. I'll take it from here . . .

[TheDeathadder]

20. No

You're wrong on this one

Well that was easy

[Orsino]

21. No.

But she's a fool for relying on a politician's (alleged) promise of support after she fell behind in the primary.

[Beacool]

28. She sold THEM out?

If anything, it was the black community who dumped the Clintons when Obama appeared to be viable. Which just proves that no matter what we want to believe, it is all about race. 76% to 91% of the black votes going to Obama is definitely NOT about their respective stance on the issues.

[Araxen]

29. Keep playing that race card

like a good clinton supporter.

[crankychatter]

30. Felony Conflict of Interest

If you take money from the MIC PACs and then DO WHAT THEY WANT

well, what else is it BUT, betrayal?