I'm going to say it: Clinton is officially unelectable.

[XemaSab]

They got Al Gore for "inventing the internet," which was sorta true.

They got John Kerry just by questioning his military record and his post-service antiwar activity.

Two GREAT Americans, who both VOLUNTEERED for military service during Vietnam, smeared by the right wing Chimp cabal led by a man-boy who weaseled his way out of service.

This year, 2008, neither of our candidates for office have a history of military service. Clinton was a woman and not eligible for the Vietnam draft, and Obama was too young to fight. These are both 100% honorable reasons for not having served during Vietnam.

John McCain, on the other hand, did serve. He was wounded, shot down, tortured, and held as a POW. Since we're the democrats, we're not going to run a smear campaign against his military service this fall.

The republicans, on the other hand, would have been unable to attack either Barack or Hillary on their service records UNTIL NOW.

If Hillary is the nominee, we're going to see her sniper story repeated ad infinitum until November. Her protests that she misspoke or that words don't matter will not be able to stop the bleeding.

Stick a fork in her: she's done.

[quantass]

1. OMG that is for sure!

[fritzklang]

67. very bold

in a blog of Obama shills

[leftofcool]

2. Obama= Rev Wright

[DJ13]

Hillary=Liar

Next?

[anamandujano]

8. "I wasn't there, I was there, I never heard it, I heard it but it's OK because."

:rofl:

[XemaSab]

17. Here's the deal:

Wright's supposedly controversial statements AREN'T IN THE LEAST BIT CONTROVERSIAL IN CONTEXT.

[anamandujano]

19. Good luck with that.

[LSK]

23. so America didnt nuke any cities???

We have no history of slavery?

We have been helpful to the Palestinians?

We did absolutely nothing to provoke 9/11?

We are a totally innocent Country that has no CIA?

[anamandujano]

28. Wright is preaching his hatred now, not giving a history lesson.

Even Jesse Jackson (the father, not the son) finds points of agreement between all the races on which to base his agenda (a good one, for my money.)

I use the word "even" because the media routinely uses Jesse as a punching bag. When the primary is over, and if the media has managed to install Obama as our candidate, you will get a good taste of it.

[LSK]

29. again can you give me a youtube video of this racist hatred from him?

Thanks.

[anamandujano]

34. Do your own freaking homework. The Pukes will be happy to do it for you later.

[leftynyc]

27. Those 527 ads aren't going to have context either

People seem to think the pubs are going to fight fair. I wonder where the hell they've been for the last 20 years.

[LSK]

31. and theres NO 527 material they can use against Hillary

None at all!!!

:rofl:

[leftynyc]

35. Who said that?

Why does everyone on this site put words into other people's mouths? Both candidates are going to get slammed by the pubs. It's only Sen Obama's supporters that think he's going to sail into the white house on angels wings. Frankly, I think both candidates suck. Now, why don't you try acting like a grown up if it's not too much trouble.

[XemaSab]

52. Nope.

She's clean as a whistle. :D

[stillcool]

45. Don't you think that people other..

than yourself will have found the truth about all this by then? Obama has a long time to talk about this to the American people. His words are far more effective than the televised side shows and their parrots. Not saying that you won't come up with another outrage by then, but this one? Not this Time.

[leftynyc]

53. Keep your head in the sand

It suits you.

[stillcool]

55. that is your response?

why is it so easy for you to assert something, but so difficult for you to answer questions as to the validity of your argument?

[leftynyc]

57. You think this country is beyond racism,

I don't. You think the pubs are going to play nice and I think they're going to run the ugliest, most mean spirited racist campaign we'll ever have seen (this stuff that Hillary is throwing at him is bad but nothing like what is in store). And I think Rev Wright is a clown and will be used to drag Sen Obama down. I'll try and survive the fact you don't see validity there.

[stillcool]

58. So you are saying..

that you are afraid of the republicans and you would rather not have a person of color running for office. Got it. I'll try to survive the fact that you prefer the status quo.

[leftynyc]

59. I've asked you before to not put words in

my mouth. It's rude and unproductive and only makes me waste me time in correcting you. And now you infer I'm a racist. And since I'm voting for whoever has the D behind their name - whether a woman or a man of color - neither can be considered the status quo - your entire argument is moronic (which doesn't surprise me in the slightest).

[stillcool]

62. that is funny...

You think this country is beyond racism,

I don't. You think the pubs are going to play nice and I think they're going to run the ugliest, most mean spirited racist campaign we'll ever have seen (this stuff that Hillary is throwing at him is bad but nothing like what is in store). And I think Rev Wright is a clown and will be used to drag Sen Obama down. I'll try and survive the fact you don't see validity there.

[leftynyc]

66. Read your post #45

and the ones just preceding it and get lost.

[stillcool]

70. This one?

Don't you think that people other than yourself will have found the truth about all this by then? Obama has a long time to talk about this to the American people. His words are far more effective than the televised side shows and their parrots. Not saying that you won't come up with another outrage by then, but this one? Not this Time.

[nels25]

64. I am Caucasian and from a working class background

so in theory (if I am to believe what the MSM has been spewing) I should be outraged by the whole Wright hooh-hah.

But since I also have a history degree I kinda of see where he is coming from (don't think he went about making his point in the right way though). I understand way some Caucasians would be annoyed and I think they need to get a grip it is 2008 not 1958.

I completely agree with Baracks speech and I still support him completely.

Dam shame this is going into the gutter of racial politics.

:toast:

[anamandujano]

6. Don't forget the other guy (begins with an R.)

[Tesha]

49. No, "Whitewater Development Corporation" begins with a "W". (NT)

[LSK]

12. cool, then Obama lives in the real world, not the America is #1 BS world

That the right wing lives in.

Thanks.

BTW - Rev Wright = Howard Zinn = Obama.

[anamandujano]

15. His "real world" says all whites are shit. That is an electability problem.

[LSK]

you have a link?????

And why on earth would SLAVERY he think something JIM CROW LAWS as outrageous as KKK something like that???

[anamandujano]

24. Slavery is over. It took the good will of whites to help destroy that

nightmare. The KKK is universally reviled.

[redstate_democrat]

63. " It took the good will of whites"

Is that you Hillary/Geritol Ferraro?

[roguevalley]

22. and you are a liar. show me one instance where he said anything

or acted on anything that wright or anyone else advocated. You can't.

Hillary on the other hand saw nothing wrong with EXPLOITED TROOPS to make a point about her ability to lead them. A cynical abuse of people in harms way is not the mindset of a military leader. we have had that for eight years now. Fuck that. You are so completely wrong its breathtaking.

[anamandujano]

32. His mind is steeped in Wright's hatred. He used the race card against

Hillary from the get go. He saw nothing wrong with it. He wins 99% of the black electorate. He forgets about the rest of America (the majority).

Wright's hatred (and his agreement) dictated his actions. He does not have to say anything. His shortsightedness has set black against white and split the Democratic party in two. What more do you want?

[roguevalley]

51. bwahahaha! used the race card. The 'majority'? You mean the

whites? Take your race hatred some place else. He didn't agree with Wright and you are full of it to say so. You are here to be a disrupter pure and simple and the sad part of it is, you aren't even good at it. Go back to freeperland. The dems aren't going to be dictated to by
people like you. You have no idea the skeletons McCain has. Our unity
will happen as it always has. Get lost.

[Cali_Democrat]

61. He said all whites are shit?

No way!!! Give me that link!!!

[nels25]

65. Oh Banana Mush!!

your statement is garbage and you know it.

His real world is to get beyond all this race/victim hood crap that is holding the country back.

[texshelters]

36. Check your math again

How obvious it is that Obama is not Wright. How about taking a few minutes to write out a comparion? Or is it that you couldn't really come up with anything so you just left what you wrote to be unquestioned?

Tex Shelters

[stillcool]

41. Reverend Wright=

Born on September 22, 1941, in Philadelphia
Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. is one of the most widely acclaimed black preachers in the United States. Combining social concern, spiritual growth, and political activism, Wright, who preaches in a black traditional style, brings a message of hope, redemption, and renewal. In 1972 he became pastor of a small United Church of Christ congregation in the inner city of Chicago. After over 30 years in the pulpit, his congregation has grown to 10,000 and is the largest United Church of Christ congregation in the United States.
In 1959 Wright enrolled at Virginia Union University, in Richmond, where he remained until 1961. That year he left school to join the military. He served in the Second Marine Division of the U.S. Marine Corps from 1961 to 1963, achieving the rank of private first class. In 1963 he graduated as valedictorian from the Great Lakes Naval Training Center, and from 1964 to 1967, he served as a cardio pulmonary technician at the U.S. Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland.
During 1965 and 1966, he was awarded with three Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson.

After his discharge from the military, Wright continued his education. He enrolled at Howard University in Washington, D.C., in 1967, and was awarded a bachelor's degree in 1968 and a master's degree in 1969. He then entered the University of Chicago Divinity School, receiving a master of arts degree in 1975. He ended his formal education in 1990 when he earned a Doctor of Ministry degree in black sacred music from United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio.
----------------------------------------------
When Wright joined the staff of Trinity United Church of Christ as senior pastor, the inner city church boasted just 87 active members, most of whom came from the neighborhood surrounding the church. Wright embraced his new congregation took up the phrase coined by his predecessor Rev. Dr. Reuben Sheares, "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian." Within months the church had adopted the phrase as its motto and vision. Under Wright's leadership, fueled by his passion, and motivated by his preaching, the congregation began to grow by leaps and bounds. By 2004 there were over 10,000 members, with
people coming from across the metro area. The congregation, which proudly notes its diverse socio-economic mix, dedicated a new 2,700 worship center in 1997.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Wright has authored several books, including Africans Who Shaped Our Faith, Good News! Sermons of Hope for Today's Families, and What Makes You So Strong? Sermons of Joy and Strength from Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. According to Cleophus J. LaRue in The Heart of Black Preaching, in his title sermon of What Makes You So Strong, Wright "demonstrates the power of the mighty sovereign at work in the lives of black people in twentieth century America. This sermon focuses on the root of black strength and survivability. Wright makes it clear throughout the sermon that the source of all strength, and especially black strength, is none other than the Spirit of God." As in his preaching, in his writing Wright focuses on the
dual issues of corporate concern and spiritual sustenance. His latest publication, What Can Happen When We Pray: A Daily Devotional, was published in 2002.
In recognition of his contributions, Wright has been awarded seven honorary doctoral degrees. He has also served on a number of boards and commissions, including serving on the board of trustees for Virginia Union University and Chicago Theological Seminary. He continues to be a highly sought after preacher,
teacher, and lecturer.

http://www.dogonvillage.com/blogs/african_american/archives/140

[stillcool]

56. Reverend Wright =

Born on September 22, 1941, in Philadelphia
Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. is one of the most widely acclaimed black preachers in the United States. Combining social concern, spiritual growth, and political activism, Wright, who preaches in a black traditional style, brings a message of hope, redemption, and renewal. In 1972 he became pastor of a small United Church of Christ congregation in the inner city of Chicago. After over 30 years in the pulpit, his congregation has grown to 10,000 and is the largest United Church of Christ congregation in the United States.
In 1959 Wright enrolled at Virginia Union University, in Richmond, where he remained until 1961. That year he left school to join the military. He served in the Second Marine Division of the U.S. Marine Corps from 1961 to 1963, achieving the rank of private first class. In 1963 he graduated as valedictorian from the Great Lakes Naval Training Center, and from 1964 to 1967, he served as a cardio pulmonary technician at the U.S. Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland.
During 1965 and 1966, he was awarded with three Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson.

After his discharge from the military, Wright continued his education. He enrolled at Howard University in Washington, D.C., in 1967, and was awarded a bachelor's degree in 1968 and a master's degree in 1969. He then entered the University of Chicago Divinity School, receiving a master of arts degree in 1975. He ended his formal education in 1990 when he earned a Doctor of Ministry degree in black sacred music from United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio.
----------------------------------------------
When Wright joined the staff of Trinity United Church of Christ as senior pastor, the inner city church boasted just 87 active members, most of whom came from the neighborhood surrounding the church. Wright embraced his new congregation took up the phrase coined by his predecessor Rev. Dr. Reuben Sheares, "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian." Within months the church had adopted the phrase as its motto and vision. Under Wright's leadership, fueled by his passion, and motivated by his preaching, the congregation began to grow by leaps and bounds. By 2004 there were over 10,000 members, with
people coming from across the metro area. The congregation, which proudly notes its diverse socio-economic mix, dedicated a new 2,700 worship center in 1997.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Wright has authored several books, including Africans Who Shaped Our Faith, Good News! Sermons of Hope for Today's Families, and What Makes You So Strong? Sermons of Joy and Strength from Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. According to Cleophus J. LaRue in The Heart of Black Preaching, in his title sermon of What Makes You So Strong, Wright "demonstrates the power of the mighty sovereign at work in the lives of black people in twentieth century America. This sermon focuses on the root of black strength and survivability. Wright makes it clear throughout the sermon that the source of all strength, and especially black strength, is none other than the Spirit of God." As in his preaching, in his writing Wright focuses on the
dual issues of corporate concern and spiritual sustenance. His latest publication, What Can Happen When We Pray: A Daily Devotional, was published in 2002.
In recognition of his contributions, Wright has been awarded seven honorary doctoral degrees. He has also served on a number of boards and commissions, including serving on the board of trustees for Virginia Union University and Chicago Theological Seminary. He continues to be a highly sought after preacher,
teacher, and lecturer.

http://www.dogonvillage.com/blogs/african_american/archives/140

[JTFrog]

68. You might want to check the Constitution about religious tests in politics.

Foreign policy tests on the other hand are not only legal but FAIR GAME.

[anamandujano]

3. What shocks me is that you never said that before. Well, maybe you did.

[billybob537]

4. Bah Bye

And don't let the sniper fire hit you in the ass.

[Unsane]

5. kr

[MonkeyFunk]

7. It's not official

until I see a signed, notarized Testmanent of Doneness from the proper authorities.

[LSK]

9. meh, you'd claim it was a forgery anyways

:popcorn:

[anamandujano]

10. = 2025

[The Night Owl]

11. An Obama supporter arguing that Clinton is unelectable? Shocking.

:eyes:

[LSK]

13. kill the messenger instead of defeat the logic

:eyes:

[anamandujano]

18. The faulty logic is that this episode is worse than Obama's repeated lies.

She goofed on a memory from 16 years ago. He lies about ongoing relationships, and dribbles out information only when he knows it will be in the news shortly.

[LSK]

20. what are Obama's lies?

[anamandujano]

40. See post #8 for openers.

[meow mix]

14. Yup. She'll be Toast in a GE she would be the worst possible choice for dems to run.

absolutly not a chance in hell of winning a GE shes unifies the right way to much.

[anamandujano]

16. If "God Damn America" doesn't unify the right, nothing will.

It also unifies the middle and most of the left.

[NJSecularist]

21. When did Obama say "God Damn America"? n/t

[scheming daemons]

25. If Obama had said it, you'd have a point.... since he didn't, you don't....

[LSK]

26. right because the LEFT is saying God Bless America for invading IRAQ

:eyes:

[Perry Logan]

30. Should the Hillary people "let this sink"?

[anamandujano]

37. Not when we can kick their @sses with their own faulty logic and

beanbrain responses.

[Mooney]

33. Hillary Clinton was always unelectable.

I'm surprised it's taken this long for people to start figuring that out.

[anamandujano]

38. That's why she has half the voters with less money and the MSM against her.

:eyes:

[Mooney]

43. What's your point?

If she has less money, that was her own fuckup. A campaign that's taken in as many millions of dollars as hers that can't manage its own funds has no one but themselves to blame for that sorry fact.

And the argument that the MSM is against her is fallacious. She lost eleven contests in a row and wasn't laughed off the national stage for it. If that had happened to any other candidate they would have been ripped to shreds on the nightly news. Except it wouldn't have happened to any other candidate, because any other candidate would have had the sense and dignity to drop out after, say, five consecutive losses. HRC was only allowed to appear as though she was still viable because she's gotten a free ride.

[apocalypsehow]

47. "half the voters" my ass: she's down by almost a million votes.

"Facts are stupid things."

:eyes: indeed.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

39. Agreed. Hillary's blown it big time. Who would want her answering the call at 3 am when she's tired?

Someone else on another thread pointed this out and Hillary's proclivity to talk nonsense and make unwise decisions when she's sleep deprived disqualifies her for the presidency by her own standards.

We need someone who can think clearly at all times.

[anamandujano]

42. It's a matter of now vs. a 16 year old memory.

[Mooney]

44. It's a 12 year old memory.

And she lied. When you get shot at, you remember it. VIVIDLY.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

46. Thanks. I thought that would be obvious, but apparently some people will defend just about anything.

[Mooney]

48. Just keep rubbing their faces in it, like dogshit.

Eventually, they'll slink away. Just be relentless, and don't let a single point pass by, no matter how absurd it seems. And don't worry about arguing long back-and-forths with the same people over the same arguments. They're counting on you to give up out of sheer exasperation. Don't let them get away with it.

[Cha]

50. It's not just SniperLiarGate..although, that's enough..it's just the tip

of the Iceberg..always more lies to expose from the stinking camp hilary.

[nels25]

69. 2 words!

Filegate and Travelgate nuff said (Monica not needed to be used).:hide:

[Norrin Radd]

54. kr

[K Gardner]

60. Hillary is unelectable for a lot more reasons than that ! She's a sham and a fraud.

[FrenchieCat]

71. Agreed!

Hillary is not electable! She's this election's Dukakis!