I'm an Obama supporter, but we shouldn't be talking about the Clintons' marital issues.

[Mooney]

I may be a mean-spirited asshole, but I try to keep my comments limited to Hillary Clinton's behavior as a politician. Obviously, I can't dictate what people can or can't talk about, but her marriage and personal life aren't fair game.

Just in my humble opinion.

Carry on.

[AGirl]

1. aww

[bilgewaterbill]

2. Hillary's "experience" is her marriage to Bill. SHE makes it an issue.

[Mooney]

7. To be blunt, I'm talking about Monica-gate.

I've seen a lot of people talking about it lately and I don't think it's necessary. And when I saw that footage of Chelsea getting grilled about it, it was pretty jarring.

She's doing enough unacceptable shit as a politician that there should be plenty to talk about besides her marriage.

[Cha]

11. No way should anyone be grilling

chelsea about that! The crystal ball remark, sure, but not that.

[Mooney]

15. The crystal ball remark was in the context of a policy question.

I certainly think it's fine for Chelsea to have to field those kinds of questions if she's going to be a campaign surrogate. But she was personally affected by it (I'm assuming) during all the impeachment bullshit, at precisely an age where it could do maximum damage to her emotionally. There's just no reason for anyone to go there.

[bilgewaterbill]

14. You don't think that the reason she tolerated his behavior was to get where

she is today? I think it was a valid question. What other means will she tolerate to get the end she desires?

[Mooney]

17. That's her personal life, and I'm not voting for or against her personal life.

What she does as my senator and, hypothetically, as president, affects me. What she does in her marriage and the decisions that she makes in that context don't affect me and aren't my business.

[bilgewaterbill]

20. I think you're being a little disingenuous there, Mooney.

The decision-making process is the same. Why do you think scandals like Spitzer are so devastating?

[Mooney]

29. That argument only works with Spitzer as the candidate.

If Eliot Spitzer were to run for office again, then you could make the argument that his prostitution scandal was a relevant subject. But if his wife were running for public office, you can't use the scandal as an issue against her.

By the same token, I don't think you can use Bill's infidelities as a campaign issue against Hillary.

[bilgewaterbill]

31. Now you're just being silly.

Scandal counts differently for a candidate running for office than it does for one already in office? C'Mon!

And it's not Bill's infidelities. It's her decision to tolerate them for political gain.

[Mooney]

33. It's not the same candidate.

Bill is a different candidate than Hillary. You can't use Bill's infidelity as a campaign issue against Hillary. If Bill were running for office again, you could use it against him. But he isn't, so you can't.

[Mezzo]

38. Larry Sinclair says *HE* had an "experience" with your boy, Barry.

He says he sucked Barry's dick while Barry hit a crack pipe. Barry was married to Michelle when this was supposed to have happened.

Act like a freeper, and you'll be treated like one.

Thanks.

[bilgewaterbill]

50. Larry? Is that you?

[LoZoccolo]

55. Larry Sinclair failed two polygraph tests. n/t

[damndude]

42. she said it yesterday

'i was usually the first person bill spoke to', she is making her marriage the issue if she is going to use it as the linchpin for her experience. thus all the baggage associated with that relationship and the dynamic of which begs to be dissected in order to ascertain the acquisition of that experience and what influence and accomplishment it resulted in. it's her fault for putting it on the table.

[kid a]

3. in your opinion, is someone's spirituality/religion personal?

[Mooney]

8. Yes.

And I don't like people talking about that either, in the context of a political race.

[Cha]

4. Yeah, I couldn't care less about that tawdry mess...

it's just that it seems to spill over into our world. And her campaign is but a preview of what her Fire by SniperLiar presidency would reflect.

[Bigleaf]

6. Yeah, it now appears everything is fair game to Clinton. Okay by me. Let's get dirty everybody.

[grantcart]

26. lets remember our candidate and lets not

[Forkboy]

5. I'm with ya on that one. I couldn't care less about it.

Hell, I didn't care when it was happening. No need to start now.

[Tribetime]

9. said sh'e left that church..Why stay with Bill then isn't that fair

I agree both shouldn't be an issue, but he didn't make any personal statements to that, while toady she opened herself up to it.

[FlyingSquirrel]

10. My lips are sealed and have been.

[donheld]

12. It's not something I'd bring up, but

you know as well as I do that if Obama was the one with that in his past Hillary would be all over it.

Edit to add: I'm an Obama boy too.

[Mooney]

19. I know. And I agree with you. I have no doubt she would be all over it.

But I just can't get on board with it.

[ClassWarrior]

13. You mean the fact that Rev. Wright was one of their spiritual guides...

...during their marital troubles?



NGU.

[NanceGreggs]

16. Couldn't agree more. n/t

[blonndee]

18. I agree. There are much more serious problems with Hillary as a candidate

than this! I don't give a flying you-know-what about Bill and his issues, besides the fact that he lied about it. I'm more concerned with Hillary's lies NOW.

[Mooney]

21. Right.

I have plenty to object to about her as a political candidate. As far as her marriage, it's not my business.

[Stephanie]

35. That's more than enough to talk about

If people want to talk about Bill, let's talk about his library fundraising - we still haven't seen the donor list - and his sweet business deals where he nets, for example, $20M for lending his influence to Ron Burkle. That compromises HRC more than his affairs ever did.

[Ichingcarpenter]

22. Here's the problem

I thought it was none of my business at the time, BUT

1.He did it in the oval office with a cigar while Hillary and Chelsea were in the house.
I know my own daughter's feelings on this and it is not in favor of Bill or Hillary.

2. Bill Clinton lied and then pointed his finger at the TV camera and the nation in accusation
of betrayal.

3. The 2000 election was coming up and that tainted Gore's chances


4. Now, the question is on character of the Clintons and lying.


5. Hillary said " the public is getting lied to" in a 60m interview.


6. WORDS MATTER

[tammywammy]

23. I agree

Asking Chelsea about Monica was uncalled for.


There are more pressing issues at hand, like Iraq, energy policies and the economy!

[bluestateguy]

24. Indeed

My blood still boils when I think about that whole bullshit ordeal and the entire year of 1998 wasted on that shit.

Did it ever occur to anyone that all the time the Clinton white House had to spend responding to demands from Ken Starr and his bullshit investigation? The depositions, the subpoenas, the lawyers, the documents they had to prepare for that little shit. All the white House Aides who were dragged into this and ran up six figure legal bills.

The only thing I do blame Clinton for was not firing Ken Starr and abolishing his office of "independent counsel".

[grantcart]

25. Those types of threads would also be good candidates for 'let it sink'

[better tomorrow]

27. well then, no one should be talking about Jeremish Wright if

it only pertains to the actual politician. Hillary chose to stay with Bill. Obama chose to stay with Wright. Same differnce, but one is ok to talk about, one isn't? Both should be off limits then. What if Obama's daughter said regarding Church..."it's none of your business!"

[Mooney]

30. I don't think Wright is relevant either. n/t

[better tomorrow]

32. that was my point....

[Mooney]

34. Great

[Stephanie]

28. I agree with you.

It's unnecessary. She's done enough damage on her own.

[shadowknows69]

36. I agree, it has no relevance

[Orsino]

37. Let the Clenis sink.

:thumbsup:

Their marriage is none of our business.

[george_maniakes]

39. Problem is , when she starts ripping into her opponent for his "failing" to leave wright...

it questions his morals. Which threatens to open up the floodgates. Ideally obama responds to all of hillarys BS by not stooping to her level. But sometimes, you cant help punching back in kind.

[democrattotheend]

40. I agree

It's tasteless and irrelevant.

[Vinca]

41. I agree, BUT those who think this issue would be ignored

in the general election are living in lala land.

[MonkeyFunk]

43. thank you

I thought it was cock-sniffing bullshit when Republicans did it, and my view on it doesn't change when Democrats do it.

[NastyRiffraff]

44. I'm glad to see at least SOME Obama supporters are sane and hate-free

Others, including the ones so desperate to hate ANYTHING about Hillary, including her choice of clothing, are the loudest and most prolific.

Thanks for posting, Mooney (and others who supported the OP). We may disagree on a lot of things, but trashing a DEMOCRATIC candidate's personal life isn't cool. A marriage is a multi-faceted thing, and no one can judge one outside of it.

[Mooney]

45. No problem.

Like I said, I think anything that Hillary Clinton (or Obama or McCain) has done in her capacity as a politician is fair game and open to criticism. But she's not running for Wife, and I've just always been really fucking uncomfortable when political campaigns start using people's personal lives as fodder. Her religion, her marriage, all that stuff, is not relevant and is none of my business. God knows I've done my share of creepy shit that I'm not proud of in my own personal life, and it's not my place to judge.

I know that the GOP will try to use this stuff against her if she's the nominee, but I think that's beside the point. We're supposed to be better than those people.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

46. agreed.

[zulchzulu]

47. Let me answer you like one of Hillary's surrogates would on a MSM show....

...in reverse.

I don't think we should make an issue of how Bill Clinton has repeatedly cheated on Hillary Clinton from the time he was governor in Arkansas to his time when he was President and was exposed for being a liar in his affair with a young intern, Monica Lewinsky and possible new stories of more affairs on the side while Hillary Clinton either knew or was too diffused in their relationship to care.

It really shouldn't be discussed, even though many are curious of Bill being so unfaithful to his wife. It should be off record, even though many find that such behavior would return if they were in the White House again.

:evilgrin:

[Cant trust em]

48. I'll be damned if I pick up the Lewinsky-gate RW talking point

I won't touch the most destructive partisan attack with a 10 foot pole. Gross.

[KaptBunnyPants]

49. I choose not to discuss such unimportant issues, but Hillary drug this primary into the gutter

so she'll get no sympathy from me.

[cooolandrew]

51. Yes, I am all for it being about politics only. I like the high ground feet don't get wt.

[The River]

52. Agreed

Lets talk about political nepotism.
Maybe start with an historical overview of
inbred "royal" families of Europe who arranged
endless political marriages to place family members
in positions of power and it's effect on good governance.

[myrna minx]

53. I completely agree. n/t

[TheDonkey]

54. An impreached President is angling to get back in the WH, that's an issue. Monica is an issue

for Bill if he wants to get into the fray.