Should catholics abandon their church if the pope makes comments they dont agree with?

[george_maniakes]

Honest question.

[HereSince1628]

1. That depends on whether they want to burn in hell with the Reformationists

and Anglicans.

[babylonsister]

2. Shouldn't all Catholics have already abandoned their church

after hearing about the pedophilia that was running rampant? Good analogy.

[slinkerwink]

3. No, I don't worship priests. I worship God and Christ. The church is

a community that celebrates faith of that religion.

[george_maniakes]

5. whos talking about worshipping priests? I'm asking should catholics abandon the catholics church,,,

i believe they've had quite the controversial history.

[slinkerwink]

8. No.

but Hillary Clinton's saying that Obama should leave his faith because of a pastor who no longer teaches at that church.

[redqueen]

15. Yup.

Another poor analogy.

[goodgd_yall]

37. The community part

I think, however, is overloooked by Catholics. The real meaning of that, I mean. I'm a lesbian and I don't really feel a part of a community in most Catholic churches. You have to be there to feel what it's like to be inside a church knowing your fellow churchgoers have this big judgement on you as a person. Not what I do, but what I am. And that's the truth.

I have found a Franciscan church that has, in its mission statement, its embracing of all people. Some of its parishioners are LGBT people who feel welcomed there. This is the church I go to.

[Sulawesi]

4. or, what is worse, Pastor Wright's comments, or...

catholic opposition to condom use in Africa, essentially giving millions a death sentence?

[futureliveshere]

22. Good question. Brings into focus the whole organized religion doublespeak.

[Breeze54]

6. I already did.

;)

[Submariner]

7. I did. A Child raping pervert organization and their enablers that transfer them

from parish to parish so they can rape again and again should be dissolved, and the rapers imprisoned if not executed.

Plus catholicism teaches hate and bigotry. Sister Perpetual Bitch taught us that ALL non-catholics will burn in agony in the flames of hell for eternity. Any adult that teaches that philosophy to children is a world class asshole and should be arrested for child abuse.

[Mooney]

9. Yes!

Everyone should leave everything that says anything they don't agree with.

[Apollo11]

10. The Pope says that you cannot be Catholic and pro-choice

As Cardinal Ratzinger, he tried to have John Kerry effectively expelled from the church back in 2004.

I guess the question Catholics should be asking themselves is: should I jump now or will I wait to be pushed? :eyes:

[george_maniakes]

11. So is hillary never going to set foot in a catholic church again?

Should catholics feel ashamed for staying with that church?

[Apollo11]

14. Guilt and shame are like daily bread for most Catholics

At least in my (limited) experience.

[Debi]

12. Doesn't matter - neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama is Catholic

I understand your reasoning - but it doesn't work with these two candidates (now, if you are trying to put John Kerry, Ted Kennedy or Bill Richardson on the spot - all of whom have endorsed Obama - I guess it works :shrug:)

[george_maniakes]

13. The candidates dont have to be catholic. The worthyness of the church is in quesion.

hillary thinks wright is unworthy to be a church leader for his comments.
That brings into question who she thinks is.
Shes dug herself a deep hole here.

[Debi]

18. What's the point?

It doesn't widen the net - the focus is only on the two candidates.

[george_maniakes]

19. Exactly. The focus is now on hillarys moral judgement. On who she considers worthy to preach...

and who not. Let me tell you, if shes going to disown wright because if those few comments over a span of how many years preaching, all someone needs is a few choice comments on any religious figure, and they are not worthy in her eyes.

[Dhalgren]

16. They have! Thousands and thousands of Catholics have quit

the Church over the past 50 years because of the church's stand on social and personal issues. And thousands more quit every day. Some Catholics stay in the church with the attitude of, I will take from it what I need and no one can tell me otherwise - this is my church (my wife is one of these Catholics. She disagrees with bunches of what the church says, but stays because she wants to. Hey, I'm on her side...always...).

What is your point? That some times people quit their churches and sometimes they don't? O.K...

[george_maniakes]

17. the point is would hillary consider the catholic church worthy?

She's obviously disowned wright. So how do the leaders of the catholic church stand in her eyes?

[Dhalgren]

20. I don't know. I don't care. I do not support either Democratic

candidate, so I no longer care who Obama throws under the bus or who Clinton smears. It will be whatever it will be...

:woohoo:

[Debi]

23. You know you're posting on the Democratic Underground

don't you? :shrug:

[Dhalgren]

28. Yeah, and I have been since summer 2003. Why?

[Debi]

34. Just odd that a person who doesn't support Democrats would spend their time

posting on a board that supports Democrats.

[Dhalgren]

41. The world is a strange place!

:hi:

[NOLALady]

39. I agree with your wife.

It's my Church. I'm not going anywhere, although I disagree with almost everything lately.

An ex nun (Mother Superior) gave me the advice to take what I needed and throw the rest away. That's my position and I'm sticking to it.

[DemzRock]

21. Actually, if the statement is distasteful enough, yes.... depends... n/t

[lmbradford]

24. I am Catholic.....

The other people in the church, including the priests, have nothing to do with how or why I worship my God. I believe that the Catholic faith fits me like a glove but I do not believe that any other person can tell me what to do or how to worship. Other people who have a problem with that can suck my toe....... The truth is that if you look at the big picture, you will see that less than 1% of the priests, have been pedophiles. Should all of the good be thrown out with the bad? I don't believe so, if you believe that then why haven't those of you with these views already left the United States. There are after all more than 1% corruption in our govt. Wouldn't you agree with that?

Every group of people has a percentage of "bad" but to condemn all of the group for that small percentage is stereotyping and it is wrong. I am proud to be Catholic and proud of the good works that most of the Catholics that I know engage in.....

End of rant.

[billbuckhead]

25. If religion is so important then you should quit if you disagree

Martin Luther did.

[JVS]

50. He didn't quit. He was kicked out for being too much a pain in the ass for TPTB.

Leaving was the last thing on his mind.

[Ino]

26. Hell, they should abandon their church...

if the pope makes comments that I don't agree with!

[theredpen]

29. LOL

[ElsewheresDaughter]

27. I have never heard any priest preach such things as Wright did but if I did YES I WOULD

[theredpen]

30. Some will, some won't. There are reasons either way.

[musiclawyer]

31. my thread yesterday is a germane to this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5252798&mesg_id=5252798

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

32. My wife and I both did.

The right-wing bullshit just got far too deep to endure.

[cindyw]

33. Exactly. Catholics get this issue. Priests say stuff all the time I don't agree with.

I didn't even know you had to agree with your pastor to be a member of a church. Catholics find the nearest church and go. I was 25 before I knew I had a choice in which one to go to.

[goodgd_yall]

36. That's often true

But once you start thinking more about the religion you've most likely grown into rather than made choices about, you start realizing you have choices. Obama is an intelligent man. I wouldn't equate him with the average Catholic who just accepts that he or she is supposed to go attend the church in their local parish.

But, in keeping with what you wrote, I just recently officially became a member of a distant parish, not my home parish. It is a church that I attend in those few times throughout the year that I do go to Mass. I didn't even think of becoming a member officially until a more knowledgeable friend of mine suggested it. I did it because it will be much easier to have funeral mass arrangements through them once the time comes.

[goodgd_yall]

35. Some do, some deal with it in other ways

There can be a BIG difference between what the Vatican church authorities say and what is said and practiced on the local level.

I have tried a lot of Catholic parishes to find one I can feel comfortable about going to. One of my main criteria is what I hear preached. Is it in keeping with Christ's message? Does it show any understanding of the real world? I have found only 2 churches out of all the ones I've tried that seemed to meet my personal criteria.

I doubt I would have kept going to Obama's church. I don't begrudge Wright his anger, but I think he uses lousy judgment on what would really be helpful for his congregation to hear at times. And just his high opinion of Farrakhan would have been enough for me to look for another church.

[LostinVA]

38. I did and my wife did, but I think your analogy is poor

You should ask,"Would you leave your parish if your priest said things you found offensive?"

Then, I would answer: "Yes." I know many Catholics -- including some DUers -- who have done this very thing. One, right in the middle of an anti-gay screed (that poster is straight, btw).

[Debi]

42. WTF - That makes no sense

"Who you leave your parish if your priest said things you found offensive?"

Are you eating yogurt and typing again??? (:P heh heh 'eating yogurt' you PEV)

[LostinVA]

43. OMFG I REALLY AM!!!!!!!

I swear to God!!!!

[Debi]

45. Your disgusting sex stories have no place on DU - Especially on a Catholic Church thread!

:rofl:

:yourock:

Is it blueberry again? I'm totally hooked on cherry vanilla now :P

[LostinVA]

46. HRC is the Anti-Christ, you know

It's Trader Joe's Plain with some Bear Naked (PEVVY!) granola in it.

[Debi]

47. Glad you're finally coming around!

Check your PM yogurt eater. :P

[LostinVA]

48. I'm finished -- yum yum -- I'll be alble to spell correctly now

hehehehe

[bigtree]

40. I think Catholics shift allegiances with churches all the time, splintering off

into branches which respect their views.

[Apollo11]

49. Then that would make them Protestants

There is only one Catholic church, headed by the Pope in Rome.

Look it up! B-)

[LisaM]

44. There are many different churches

I left the one I was going to for a more liberal one.

I was going to go to one in Seattle that was very liberal. However, their priest was transferred, and they got in a much more conservative one from Kenya. So I didn't make that switch.

The priest back home used to advocate for women priests and married priests. That church is also very pacifist. Not very in line with Rome, but working for change.

Most Catholics I know choose a particular church based on the priest there.

[McCamy Taylor]

51. You obviously aren't Catholic. They ignore the Pope except when he agrees w/ them.

[boppers]

52. When they stop worshpping christ and start worshipping god, that'll be interesting.

Until then, either way, they'll have to keep convoluting themselves.