New NBC Polls snapshot on NBC Nightly News

[VolcanoJen]

I'm guessing these are the same polls Chris Matthews called "staggering" or "stunning" or something, as noted in previous threads on the topic.

LINK: Clinton Negatives Rise Eight Points in Two Weeks - MSNBC

Clinton - Positive rating down 8 points in two weeks, to 37 from 45
Obama - Positive rating down 2 points to 49 from 51

Rev. Wright issue - 55% of all voters say they are "disturbed" by Rev. Wright videos

32% say Obama has successfully addressed the issue
26% say Obama needs to address issue further
31% say they did not see Obama's speech on race, or had no opinion.

In head-to-head, Obama leads McCain by two points, McCain leads Clinton by two points.

Can Unite Country - Yes:
Obama 60
McCain 58
Clinton 46

For the record, NBC Nightly News led their broadcast with Andrea Mitchell's report on the latest in Hillary's TuzlaGate.

Chuck Todd's take is interesting:

Considering the doom-and-gloom some predicted for Obama with regard to the Wright controversy, the overall tenor of the electorate appears to still be favorable for him. He's mortal, but he's survived... for now. It's not clear whether he'd be this resilient if another controversy exploded as big as Wright, but it appears that voters are giving him the benefit of doubt. There's lots of evidence inside these numbers that voters still would like to know more about Obama, and that is both an opportunity and a potential obstacle.

Edit: Chris Matthews' take with Chuck Todd (summarized by me!):

Chuck Todd says they went into the field to test what if any damage had been done by Rev. Wright, but the biggest headline came from Clinton's numbers dropping. Our pollsters did not feel that the Tuzla controversy had taken hold yet. Hillary's numbers have dropped 13% among AA's, and they seem to have taken their anger over the Wright issue out on Hillary, rather than McCain. Chris Matthews reiterates that the Tuzla issue was not polled. Chris also states that for the first time, Hillary is down among all women. Chris wonders if Hillary will stop "rubbing it in" on the Wright issue now that she's seen this poll. Chuck Todd says Hillary needs to begin working on her own positives, and that instead of trying to bring Obama down, she needs to lift herself up. Chuck says it's not as if Obama didn't get "dinged" at all though... lost two points in his positive ratings, but not as significant as many had expected. Eugene says that the speech was clearly as impressive as many had thought, and had an effect not just on journalists but on public opinion. He says if that ends up being Obama's worst week of the primary campaign, they should probably be celebrating.

Matthews looks at the McCain head-to-head and says this seems to hurt her electibility argument. Chuck says it's important to note that Obama is back down to earth; that Republicans rated him the harshest, not Democrats. He says Obama does not do well among Southern older whites, but did not lose any ground among the west or midwest. He goes on to say, who cares if you're a Democrat and you're losing Southerners? Chuck goes on to say he still outperforms Hillary in the midwest, and among independents.

Chuck and Chris speak about Hillary's authenticity, saying that Mark Penn's argument has always been that microtrends matter, "softening her up" is not something to concentrate on. Chuck says that if you want to back-seat drive this campaign, that looks like a pretty bad idea, because while you'll never win a personality contest against Obama, why didn't Hillary even try?

[BeyondGeography]

1. Can we just show her the door already?

[mckeown1128]

Harry Reid said that he and Howard Dean are working on it...

...ahem...I mean...he said they were doing something to end the primary.

[BeyondGeography]

9. Her negatives are 48% in this poll; Obama is at 32%

[VolcanoJen]

57. I just don't get it, though.

Since SnoopyGate wasn't polled, to what should we attribute Clinton's falling popularity?

:shrug:

[BenDavid]

73. maybe you will get it if I told you the poll over-sampled black

folks in this 700 people poll....and of course the poll would be skewered towards obama and less for hrc. undambelievable.....but then again I would expect this from the whoremedia nbc and msnbc with those sexist bastards......

The poll was conducted Monday and Tuesday this week by Hart-McInturff and surveyed 700 registered voters, which gives the poll a margin of error of +/- 3.7%. In addition, we oversampled African-Americans in order to get a more reliable cross-tab on many of the questions we asked in this poll regarding Sen. Barack Obama's speech on race and overall response to last week's Rev. Jeremiah Wright dustup.

Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:30 PM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: Democrats, 2008, Clinton, Obama, Polls

[VolcanoJen]

78. And as explained below, the "black folks" were oversampled for the CROSSTABS.

When results are compiled, the oversampled group is weighted. A smart DUer explained it well, below, in this very thread.

Sorry this poll doesn't please you, but you know what? Don't blame it on "black folk" because it just makes you look like you don't "get" math.

[Alexander]

96. BenDavid likes to blame a lot on black folk...

I think Obama's remarks about Farrakhan were alluding to people like him.

[VolcanoJen]

101. It's more than a little upsetting.

My comments were well-parsed and did not reflect my more emotional sentiments. :grr:

[merh]

77. how about pettiness and meaness and just being

negative.

[VolcanoJen]

81. I just thought of something... The Geraldine Ferraro Effect!!

Maybe that explains better why Hillary's negative numbers grew by eight points. It's as if we'd already forgotten about that crap, but maybe those polled had not!

[merh]

86. that is very possible

I think you may be right.

[SoCalDem]

92. People can see through all the smoke & mirrors

The surrogates she has out there are playing a nasty game..and most people can see what's going on..

She has an air of desperation about her

[bunnies]

7. Yes Please. nt

[Ronnie]

56. Snarky.

Every time I read some snarky comment like this and then see Obama's photo, his negatives go up with me. Do you think that's fair to him?

[FrenchieCat]

63. That's how I feel about Hillary Avatar's used in her name.....

[Ronnie]

103. What?

Does what you wrote make sense to you?

[jezebel]

2. Horserace is 45-45. That is -2 for Clinton and +2 for Obama since last poll. NT

[SunsetDreams]

3. Don't you mean, McCain leads

Clinton by 20 points? 58-38

[Barack_America]

4. Obama beats McCain by 2 points. Hillary loses to McCain by 2 points.

Obama and Hillary deadlocked at 45.

What exactly is "staggering" about these polls? Other than Clinton's positive ratings tanking?

[VolcanoJen]

16. Well, maybe the MSM finds it "staggering" that the Rev. Wright controversy...

... has yielded no discernible disadvantage to Obama, despite their constant crowing. :-)

[DerekJ]

47. What is staggering is that the one whose negative are rising are HRC not Obama despite the Wright

controversy,and that Obama, didn't budge, and that he is even beating McCain

[apocalypsehow]

5. Damn - her negative numbers are down in Nixon-during-Watergate territory, while Senator Obama's are

up in Reagan's approval rating right after his 1984 landslide election.

And HRC thinks she's electable....how? :shrug:

[Drunken Irishman]

6. Interesting.

[David Zephyr]

8. Hillary and Bill have determined to drag the party down to hell for their ambitions.

Disgusting.

[VolcanoJen]

71. Amen to that.

I hope Nancy Pelosi responds to the Clinton Donor Letter by "Xeroxing" this poll and sending it back without comment. :-)

[WI_DEM]

10. It is staggering to have one of our candidates with a positive rating of only 37%

Obama has had some erosion, but the thing about throwing mud is that it can work but it also hurts the person who throws the mud and this is what has happened with Hillary.

[roseBudd]

I also think Obama has some teflon, Hillary does not

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

Soo according to this, we have to get to work.

[npincus]

11. NBC: McCain beats HRC by 2pts, Obama beat sMcCain by 2 points

and HRC vs Obama: tied at 45% - 45%.

[jefferson_dem]

12. UPDATE: Hillary sucks!

:hi:

[Connie_Corleone]

15. Maybe it's Hillary's low positive rating.

Obama is only down 2 points in the positive rating. Not bad considering all the Wright crap that was thrown at him since last Monday.

[BeyondGeography]

19. Looks like a corkscrew landing's in store for ole Snoopy

:thumbsup:

[VolcanoJen]

24. Considering this poll was conducted Monday and Tuesday...

... it's possible that SnoopyGate hadn't really sunk in with the voters yet. Given that, and that the SnoopyGate questions doesn't seem to have been asked, it's all the more interesting that Clinton's negatives rose so highly.

[Johnny__Motown]

13. MSNBC just showed negative ratings from the same poll

Clinton up 5 from 43 to 48
Obama up 4 from 28 to 32

[DerekJ]

14. Wow, she is seriously competing with GWB now.

:rofl:

What is Bush's postivie ratings now?

[Catherina]

43. In more ways than one n/t

[jefferson_dem]

17. Details from Chuck Todd at First Read - - -

From NBC's Chuck Todd
As expected, one of the two major Democratic candidates saw a downturn in the latest NBC/WSJ poll, but it's not the candidate that you think. Hillary Clinton is sporting the lowest personal ratings of the campaign. Moreover, her 37% positive rating is the lowest the NBC/WSJ poll has recorded since March 2001, two months after she was elected to the U.S. Senate from New York.

The poll was conducted Monday and Tuesday this week by Hart-McInturff and surveyed 700 registered voters, which gives the poll a margin of error of +/- 3.7%. In addition, we oversampled African-Americans in order to get a more reliable cross-tab on many of the questions we asked in this poll regarding Sen. Barack Obama's speech on race and overall response to last week's Rev. Jeremiah Wright dustup.

On that issue specifically, 32% of folks said he "sufficiently addressed the issue," while 26% of those folks believe he needs to address the Wright controversy further; 31% of voters surveyed did not see the speech or had no opinion. Interestingly, of those voters who said they saw the speech, 47% said Obama sufficiently addressed the Wright issue while 37% said he needs to address it further. Among whites, 45% were satisfied with Obama's explanation, 38% were not; Among blacks, 67% said the speech was sufficient while 25% want him to address it further.

Overall, 55% of voters told us that they were "disturbed" by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright videos that circulated so widely on cable TV and the Internet.

As for the damage this controversy did or didn't do to Obama, it's a mixed bag. Yes, Obama saw some of his numbers go down slightly among certain voting groups, most notably Republicans. But he's still much more competitive with independent voters when matched up against John McCain than Hillary Clinton. And he still sports a net-positive personal rating of 49-32, which is down only slightly from two weeks ago when it was 51-28. Again, the biggest shift in those negative numbers were among Republicans.

On one of the most critical questions we've been tracking for a few months, Obama showed resilience. When asked if the three presidential candidates could be successful in uniting the country if they were elected president, 60% of all voters believed Obama could be successful at doing this, 58% of all voters said McCain could unite the country while only 46% of voters said the same about Clinton. All three candidates saw dips on this issue, by the way. In January, 67% thought Obama could unite the country; 68% thought McCain could do it; and 55% said Clinton would be able to pull it off.

The fact they all three dropped equally in the last three months is a sign that the campaign is becoming more ideological and partisan.

In the head-to-head matchups, there weren't huge shifts in the numbers with Obama and Clinton dead even at 45% in the national Democratic primary matchup (a slight increase for Obama from early March). In the general-election matchups, Obama led McCain by 2 points and McCain led Clinton by 2 points; all margin of error results and nothing to get too excited over.

One thing about these head-to-head matchups: our pollsters found that for the second poll in a row, more than 20% of Clinton and Obama supporters say they would support McCain when he's matched up against the other Democrat. There is clearly some hardening of feelings among some of the most core supporters of both Democrats, though it may be Obama voters, who are more bitter in the long run.

Why? Because among Obama voters, Clinton has a net-negative personal rating (35-43) while Clinton voters have a net-positive view of Obama (50-29). Taken together, this appears to be evidence that Obama, intially, should have the easier time uniting the party than Clinton.

Considering the doom-and-gloom some predicted for Obama with regard to the Wright controversy, the overall tenor of the electorate appears to still be favorable for him. He's mortal, but he's survived... for now. It's not clear whether he'd be this resilient if another controversy exploded as big as Wright, but it appears that voters are giving him the benefit of doubt. There's lots of evidence inside these numbers that voters still would like to know more about Obama, and that is both an opportunity and a potential obstacle.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/26/821438.aspx

[Purveyor]

25. "It is time for her to go..." eom

[Little Star]

18. What sense does this make, they oversampled AA's. nt

[VolcanoJen]

20. Well, for one, AA's represent the largest consistent voting bloc in the Dem Party.

Are you disappointed with the results, or something? And wouldn't it make sense to oversample African-American's by Chuck Todd's reasoning below?

Chuck Todd says:

The poll was conducted Monday and Tuesday this week by Hart-McInturff and surveyed 700 registered voters, which gives the poll a margin of error of +/- 3.7%. In addition, we oversampled African-Americans in order to get a more reliable cross-tab on many of the questions we asked in this poll regarding Sen. Barack Obama's speech on race and overall response to last week's Rev. Jeremiah Wright dustup.

[apocalypsehow]

27. Ah, context! I love it!

:thumbsup:

[Blue_State_Elitist]

30. Oversampled African Americans

in order to get a more pro St. Obama poll.

[VolcanoJen]

33. Maybe I'm misreading it, but Chuck Todd seems to be saying...

... the oversampling of African Americans occurred only on the Rev. Wright set of questions.

[apocalypsehow]

36. Oops, replied to wrong poster. My apologies!

:blush:

[VolcanoJen]

39. That's how I'm reading it, too

Did you intend to respond to someone else? :-)

[apocalypsehow]

40. Sorry! My fault, replied to wrong poster.

:hi:

[VolcanoJen]

58. Ha!

No prob! :hi:

[Blue_State_Elitist]

45. Looks to me like they generally oversampled African Americans.

Can't be sure though.

[loveangelc]

95. on the Rev. Wright questions I believe.

[anonymous171]

38. They should sampled more repugs to get a more pro-tonya poll then.

[apocalypsehow]

23. On edit: see posts above.

In my haste I poorly worded this.

[thesubstanceofdreams]

46. Oversamples are just for crosstabs

The numbers are weighed down to reflect the actual number of AA voters.

[VolcanoJen]

51. Thank you!!!

Ah, levity and intelligence! It's refreshing!

Since you seem to "get" polling, is there any other insight you could add, thesubstanceofdreams?

[apocalypsehow]

50. See, when you make a blanket statement like that without context, it distorts what actually occurred...

The questions were in the context of Rev. Wright, which is were the "oversampling" applied. It is my understanding that this is frequently done to get the "pulse" of a particular slice of the overall demographic on specific questions.

[juajen]

87. I still don't get it.

Does that mean when they question voters about Hillary/Tuzla, they will ask white women over 60?

[roseBudd]

21. Being likeable helps a lot, had Kerry been more warmly received Swift Boat Vets would have misfired

[VolcanoJen]

29. That is an excellent point.

There's something about Obama that Democrats seem to want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Likeability was the key to Bill Clinton's ability to rise above the various storms that confronted his Presidency, as well. Even Bush was able to pull that magic likeability lever, time and time again.... until the levees broke in New Orleans.

[Kaylee]

22. She's been fighting ugly.....

and it's hurting her favorability rating and with the super D's. You know it's bad when the media starts calling you Tonya Harding.

[tblue37]

65. I also think her over the top "And the skies will open up"

routine did her a lot of damage.

Obama presents as "cool," not in the teenager slang sense, but in the sense that he seems in control, rational and unflappable. Hillary, on the other hand, often comes across as manic in the way she presents herself, or as bitter and angry.

Her "The skies will open up" tirade realy turned me off, so that when she endorsed McCain over Obama and then began the whole kitchen sink strategy to try to bloody Obama, I stopped feeling favorable to her at all. Prior to these tactics, I was constantly defending her to friends and family who said they would not vote for her under any circumstances. I was for Edwards at first, then switched to Obama when Edwards dropped out, but I still had very positive feelings about Hillary and was thrilled that we had such good choices, no matter who won the nomination. But now I am absolutely convinced that Hillary would lose the general election, and that she is bound and determined to drag Obama down and prevent him from winning if she can't manage to steal the nomination from him through backdoor dealings.

It makes me sad to feel this way about her, as I used to admire her.

[VolcanoJen]

83. That's a very good point.

That sardonic, nasty tone turned me right the hell off, that's for certain. And didn't she do that in my own back yard, Ohio? Or was it Texas? But I think that was the timeframe.

"Shame on you, Barack Obama!" didn't do her any favors, either.

I can hardly remember a time when I was actually thrilled at the prospect of Hillary, Barack, John, Bill... I thought we had been truly blessed as a party. But perception is everything, and it's really sad to see how far (and how low) it's come.

Up-thread, I also commmented that something suddenly had occurred to me.... perhaps The Geraldine Ferraro Effect hurt Hillary a lot more than Rev. Wright hurt Barack? Rev. Wright may have been on cable news rinse-lather-repeat for days, but it's not really the same as Ferraro herself going on blastfax and screeching her rather ugly and inexplicable opinions to anyone who would shove a microphone in her face.

[Kaylee]

84. I could have written your post.

A week before the Potomac Primaries I was undecided. I chose Obama because of his message of change. After seeing Hillary's true colors, I am happy I made the decision I did.

[juajen]

88. Ah, come on, the media's been calling both Clintons worse

names than that. They are hated by the right wing. Please remember who owns the media. This should set off warning bells in your head. But, golly gee, it just doesn't.

[Johnny__Motown]

26. Questions about race and the Wright statements, none about Clinton's Bosnia statements

Is this now a fucking push poll???


regarding Sen. Barack Obama's speech on race and overall response to last week's Rev. Jeremiah Wright dustup.

On that issue specifically, 32% of folks said he "sufficiently addressed the issue," while 26% of those folks believe he needs to address the Wright controversy further; 31% of voters surveyed did not see the speech or had no opinion. Interestingly, of those voters who said they saw the speech, 47% said Obama sufficiently addressed the Wright issue while 37% said he needs to address it further. Among whites, 45% were satisfied with Obama's explanation, 38% were not; Among blacks, 67% said the speech was sufficient while 25% want him to address it further.

Overall, 55% of voters told us that they were "disturbed" by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright videos that circulated so widely on cable TV and the Internet.

[VolcanoJen]

42. Actually, that's the most interesting part of the result, isn't it?

I imagine the questions and polling set were formulated over Easter weekend, and the polling began in earnest Monday and Tuesday. Since SnoopyGate didn't hit the MSM in earnest until Tuesday, the significant rise in Clinton's negativity reflects something that has nothing to do with the Tuzla Lie.

So, in that sense, wow, what happened? And in the next set of polls, it's reasonable to assume that SnoopyGate will hit her even harder.

[Johnny__Motown]

105. I think the Bosnia story was out there but not with the blanket coverage it is getting now.

It may have had some small effect.


The fact that Obama only took a minor hit shows strong support for him. I think a lot of Clinton support is still name recognition people who just can't be bothered to look any further. This translates into soft support when they learn things they don't like about her (or things they do like about Barrack).


Hillary's support has always been soft, that is how Obama closed 20+ points in a matter of weeks so many times. I think he knew this going in and she didn't.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

28. And now supporters of St. Obama love the polls.

[VolcanoJen]

31. Well, I'd be really interested in hearing what Clinton supporters have to say...

... about her significant rise in negatives in the last few weeks, considering that Obama's the one who had such a bad run.

Seriously, I'm interested, and no snark... what happened?

[Blue_State_Elitist]

32. I don't buy this poll.

I saw a poll a week ago with Obama's negatives at 50. These polls mean nothing.

[VolcanoJen]

35. Right, but your poll is a week old, and likely taken before Obama's speech on race.

This poll, whether you find the results disagreeable or not, is certainly a more accurate barometer of a current trend than one taken last week.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

41. I don't think that Obama's speech had the impact many here believe it did.

I have problems with it as do many people I'm sure.

This poll appears to have purposely oversampled African Americans and honestly I don't buy into either of the polls.

[VolcanoJen]

44. Well, that's certainly your preogative.

:-)

[Blue_State_Elitist]

48. Cheers.

[loveangelc]

99. Yeah, RASMUSSEN's which seems to be an outliar. CBS/Gallup and now NBC has his approvals way up.

rasmussen is a republican operative, ok. he skewed his polls in california to make it look like romney was ahead on super tuesday. he's on the lower end of pollsters imo. the times he is right is only when the polls are obvious.

[tblue37]

107. Oh, God--I love the way you turned "outlier" into a pun on

the Republican tool's mendacity.

"Outliar." I think I am going to use that one, if you don't mind!

[hell-bent]

54. Well, despite her so-called negatives she is

tied with his Majesty, 45-45! How is that possible? Rasmussen has them tied also in his latest poll. And, BO was leading for the last several weeks I believe. Wow! There is some change.

[VolcanoJen]

59. "His Majesty"?

Well, maybe that's the reason why she's at 37% popularity?

Is such snark really a good thing for your candidate? C'mon now, I specifically asked that this section remain snark-free from both sides. :-)

[hell-bent]

62. Explain how she could have a 37% popularity and

be tied with the Anointed One at 45-45%? Is there something wrong here? Are voters selecting Hillary even though they don't like her? That's strange, isn't it? No "snarking"now. :>)

[VolcanoJen]

66. I really don't know, so I'll guess.

I'm thinking it's possible that the 45-45 number reflects the opinion of Democrats, while the favorable/negative number reflects all voters, including Republicans and Independents, which is relevant since the General Election is an open one?

:-) No Snark Zone! :-)

[Nedsdag]

90. Come on, "his majesty?"

If anyone thinks the presidency is an entitlement, it's Her Royal Highness Queen Hillary!

[Johnny__Motown]

106. We like that he has always trailed Hillary in this poll and now has pulled even to her

This gain at a time when we expected him to take a hit.


We like this poll, yes. We do not think it is the end all and be all of everything political but we do like it.

[goclark]

34. Twenty four minutes to go - keep kicked

This is good for Obama but I wouldn't say it is staggering.

I want to see Tweety's leg start to jingle :bounce:

[Tribetime]

37. most of the 26% are pukes

[VolcanoJen]

49. Joe Scarborough has to be disappointed. :-)

He was just crowing about Obama not convincing Americans that he's put the Wright issue behind him. Supposedly, he based that opinion on a poll taken across a Pensacola, Florida crab shack. :-)

[VolcanoJen]

52. Kick - edited OP to include Hardball conversation about the poll.

:dem:

[ej510]

53. Obama, Clinton, and McCain are tied.

Nothing more nothing less.

[VolcanoJen]

55. Which is pretty fascinating, considering Obama just went through...

... the roughest spot in his campaign. Good news for Obama in this poll, and his campaign has to be relieved.

[bevoette]

60. this poll...makes me feel proud of my fellow citizens.

most of them didn't buy the bs!! :)

[VolcanoJen]

61. I have to admit, I'm kinda surprised.

:toast:

Nice to get a little lift on a Wednesday evening!!

[Kukesa]

68. Another surprising statistic

is this one:

"31% say they did not see Obama's speech on race, or had no opinion."

Considering the amount of air time and press the speech has received, I'm baffled about the 31% of respondents who either didn't see the speech or didn't care enough about it to express an opinion.

[VolcanoJen]

75. That is indeed surprising.

But remember, The Speech got scant coverage compared to Rev. Wright on constant rinse-lather-repeat mode.

:hug: :hug: :hug: Kukesa :hug: :hug: :hug:

[hell-bent]

70. Dear Jen, how can you be "lifted"

with today's new poll? On 2-24, CBS poll and USA-Gallup poll had BO up +16 and +12 respectively. As late as 3-16, USA and CNN had Obama up +7. According to RCP, his lead for the nomination is only +1.5! Gee, I would think that is very discouraging. Is this pumping up of each other an Obama phenomenon?:>)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

[VolcanoJen]

74. Because, we always knew Obama was mortal.

Who didn't think the Rev. Wright issue would hurt him? To listen to the MSM's constant crowing and YouTube-loops, you'd think he'd be asked to step down within days. And it was infuriating, listening to them predict opinion before it was scientifically polled. Obama suffered a week of having his Pastor's words being presented as his own.

But, this poll shows that the American people (or at least this polling sample!) don't agree with the MSM. That Americans are quite a bit more thoughtful than the MSM realizes.

Of course I'm lifted. Obama supporters don't require any pumping up of each other, my friend. All those states, all those voters, all those delegates... he's got the wind at his back.

[FrenchieCat]

64. That's because they doubt the media....and since the media overplayed it

it ended up hurting Hillary.

The fact of Snipergate and her weighting in on the Wright controversy will further drop her numbers....because as was the reaction with the press overplaying their Wright hand, so it seems that Hillary climbed on that bandwagon and will have to suffer the consequenses. Maybe she saw a poll that indicated that Wright was hurting Obama which is why she did the interview with "Hillary killed Vince Foster" Scaife.

And lets not forget the Judas comment about Bill Richardson. That will be measured in the next round of polling as well...and by all trends, Hillary will be paying for that one as well; talking about Hispanic voters.

[VolcanoJen]

67. Mark Penn Strikes Again!

I swear to gawd, Mark Penn's constant internal polling and focus grouping doomed Hillary from the beginning.

[FrenchieCat]

69. I wonder how much SniperGate and Richardson's Judas will cost her?

I can see her number pummeling with Hispanics who are no more blind than anyone else, and if they were, had their blindfolds ripped off their eyes on Easter Sunday.

Let's put it this way; Puerto Rico will be close. Those folks are nearly Black. Most are certainly as Black as I am, if not more so.

[bigtree]

72. when a new round of polls favor her, they'll ignore them

so, I'll ignore these, right off the bat

[Barack_America]

76. Obama supporters, I propose a toast.

Here's hoping that the worst is behind us and that Obama will soon officially bear the title "Presumptive Nominee".

Yes we can!

-and-

Gobama!

:toast:


(I've got a glass of wine here. Who will toast with me?)

[VolcanoJen]

79. Kristi, I wanna drive to Philly just to clink glasses!!

Beer, here!

:toast: :toast: :toast:

[Barack_America]

80. Any time, Jen!

Here's to you...and Barack!

:toast:

:bounce:

[Kukesa]

82. I'll drink to that, Kristi. Cheers! n/t

[hell-bent]

89. No thanks, I prefer Kendall-Jackson to

that Ripple that you Obama folks are drinking. :>)

[Tarheel_Dem]

91. Ripple? What exactly does that mean? I'm sure I already know

the insinuation, but could you explain it more in depth for me?

[VolcanoJen]

98. Hey, I thought Obama supporters were the Latte/White Wine crowd!

See, can't judge a book by its cover. :-)

I'm sipping a Bud Light out of a can, and I'm a woman. I'm pretty sure Joe Scarborough sez that makes me a Hillary voter!

[ORDem]

85. O not like by older southern whites?! Wow, there's a surprise!!! n/t

[CitizenLeft]

93. the "personality contest" part... she should've tried.

That softer side of her, that sweet part that we've seen, is very appealing. But she seems to beat that part of her down with a hatchet every time it appears, which is sad. That part of me always won me over. Now it's been gone for weeks, and I've forgotten she was ever like that. I think that was a big mistake.

[loveangelc]

94. :-)

[tabasco]

97. I can't believe they make the Wright deal a big "scandal."

For some reason, this reminds me of the uproar about Janet Jackson's boob.

Sometimes, I think this country is fucked beyond repair.

I watched the Wright vids and I thought he's a good preacher.

Some people just can't handle the truth.

[VolcanoJen]

104. "Janet Jackson's Boob"

Honestly, that's the best analogy I've read yet about the Wright "scandal"!

I think the beauty in it all is that this poll seems to reflect that Americans are wholly rejecting this kind of crap.

[kwenu]

100. Oh wow, more Hillbot heads will be exploding. It's awful seeing how desperate they'll get.

[slinkerwink]

102. nice summary